Moratorium: To be or not to be - Offshore Drilling

surferdude

polaris wrote:

more effects of climate change

I'd like to see Suzuki's science on this. When was the last time he did any real science? I don't doubt that a large part of the decrease in salmon run is caused by man. But I'd love to see where he pulls the 70% from.

polaris

surferdude wrote:

I'd like to see Suzuki's science on this. When was the last time he did any real science? I don't doubt that a large part of the decrease in salmon run is caused by man. But I'd love to see where he pulls the 70% from.

his foundation is huge ... i would think that most of his figures comes from whatever scientific body is doing research in the area ...

and just to be clear - according to tish's post - they claim the 70% impact is due to increased river temperature ...

surferdude

polaris wrote:

his foundation is huge ... i would think that most of his figures comes from whatever scientific body is doing research in the area ...

and just to be clear - according to tish's post - they claim the 70% impact is due to increased river temperature ...

And the increased river temperature is drivien by global warming that is driven by man made greenhouse gas emissions. I get all that and agree with it in principal.

Maybe it's that I'm so used to anything Suzuki says being full of shit, hyperbola and not based on science that I have a really hard time acceptig the 70% figure given. Based on what I've seen and read by Suzuki if DDT in the water was the hot topic he'd be blaming 70% of the decrease on DDT being in the water. I think Suzuki does more harm than good.

sourdough

surferdude wrote:

And the increased river temperature is drivien by global warming that is driven by man made greenhouse gas emissions. I get all that and agree with it in principal.

Maybe it's that I'm so used to anything Suzuki says being full of shit, hyperbola and not based on science that I have a really hard time acceptig the 70% figure given. Based on what I've seen and read by Suzuki if DDT in the water was the hot topic he'd be blaming 70% of the decrease on DDT being in the water. I think Suzuki does more harm than good.

I personally think Suzuki's a dick, but I do respect his science. I'm don't agree with him 100% of the time, but his contributions and his foundation does a lot of good work. I don't think he personally does a lot of science himself anymore, but his foundation funds a lot of science and he is basically the spokesman for it now. He does understand the science and the issues, so I think he does deserve some credibility. He's even backed off of some of the doom and gloom stuff and has recently begun writing about some more positive steps we're taking.

Re: water temperture rising, this has some to do with climate change and also to do with projects such as the Kamano completion project which diverted the Nechako River away from the Fraser (reversed its current). Glacial water being led away rather to the river has caused river temperatures to rise in important spawning sites.

surferdude

sourdough wrote:

I personally think Suzuki's a dick, but I do respect his science. I'm don't agree with him 100% of the time, but his contributions and his foundation does a lot of good work. I don't think he personally does a lot of science himself anymore, but his foundation funds a lot of science and he is basically the spokesman for it now. He does understand the science and the issues, so I think he does deserve some credibility. He's even backed off of some of the doom and gloom stuff and has recently begun writing about some more positive steps we're taking.

Re: water temperture rising, this has some to do with climate change and also to do with projects such as the Kamano completion project which diverted the Nechako River away from the Fraser (reversed its current). Glacial water being led away rather to the river has caused river temperatures to rise in important spawning sites.

You're right. I respect the work of his foundation, but I don't respect him.