Bet You Didn't See This On The News

somebodyelsessky2020somebodyelsessky2020 Posts: 1,173
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
THIS IS SO BRUTAL I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WASN'T ON THE NEWS!! britney's haircut, paris hilton's jail term, imus and the nappy headed ho comment but not one word of this : http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp UN -FUCKING BELIEVABLE !!!
Oh dear dad
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    to be honest, i don't think i wanted to know that.......but i understand the point of lack of coverage......
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    So proves the point I have been making for so long.


    This crap with that dope Imus deserves more outrage and coverage than this? C' mon!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,208
    those people all look like the worst criminals ever man talk about looking guilty i hope they rot in jail for ever or die there wich ever comes first .......
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I am pretty conflicted when it comes to the death penalty. I struggle to find wether there is a place in civilized society for death as punishment. Then a case like this comes along and the only thought that pops into my head, besides grief for the family and utter contempt for the perpitrators, is those motherfuckers deserve what they dished out. Many on here may say that this makes me no better than these animals but I don't care. They brutally and sadistacly tortured these two people for nothing more than their warped entertainment and I see no redeeming human quality in them to justify why they should be spared the same fate as their victims.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    mammasan wrote:
    I am pretty conflicted when it comes to the death penalty. I struggle to find wether there is a place in civilized society for death as punishment. Then a case like this comes along and the only thought that pops into my head, besides grief for the family and utter contempt for the perpitrators, is those motherfuckers deserve what they dished out. Many on here may say that this makes me no better than these animals but I don't care. They brutally and sadistacly tortured these two people for nothing more than their warped entertainment and I see no redeeming human quality in them.
    You're absolutely right. As a person, I would find satisfaction in the execution - painful execution - of these wastes of flesh and bone. I'd even pull the trigger myself.

    But I'm against the death penalty. Even here. I don't feel it right to use the State to fulfill my own sense of vengence.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    i'm truly disturbed now. I hate that people like that roam the streets.
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I acutally did hear about this some short time ago...and was outraged.

    I have no idea how people can become monsters like this, you know to see the pictures of the victims you cannot help but feel so horrible what they had to have gone through before finally meeting death.

    It is the pictures of the victims and not the criminals that is hard for me to look at. The criminals do not deserve my time thinking about them, all the best to the victims families.

    Tragic, sick, twisted, and disturbing.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    I say hang the fuckers...put it on pay per view...and give the proceeds to the families...

    I do agree, it's interesting that this has not received more coverage...sadly, I agree, if the assailants were white and victims were black, this would have been on every news outlet...
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    inmytree wrote:
    I say hang the fuckers...put it on pay per view...and give the proceeds to the families...

    I do agree, it's interesting that this has not received more coverage...sadly, I agree, if the assailants were white and victims were black, this would have been on every news outlet...

    You are just as twisted if you would pay to watch someone die.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    You are just as twisted if you would pay to watch someone die.

    thanks...

    how about we just show if for free...if that makes you feel better...
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    inmytree wrote:
    thanks...

    how about we just show if for free...if that makes you feel better...

    Sorry I do not feel comfort in watching people die.

    It does nothing to change the past.

    Your welcome.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Sorry I do not feel comfort in watching people die.

    It does nothing to change the past.

    Your welcome.

    I understand that executing these people won't bring anyone back or change the past... what punishment does...?

    if they truly committed the crimes they are accused of, I personally see no problem with them dying....but that's just me....I happen to think that sometimes, some people are too far gone, and don't deserve to live based on crimes like this...

    again, that's just me...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,208
    too bad nobody has SHARPTONS email or jackson's email so we could forward this story everyday untill they had some kind of statement or reaction to it ,it's true if it's a fucking hair cut from some bimbo or an old white guy saying something raciall the news outlets are all over it like fly's on shit ........
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    But as we all know, there are monsters like these monsters; who come in every color, religion and ethnicity that exists- on this planet.

    No human group is void of these type of monsters.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,208
    NMyTree wrote:
    But as we all know, there are monsters like these monsters; who come in every color, religion and ethnicity that exists- on this planet.

    No human group is void of these type of monsters.

    i agree but when was the last time you read about 5 white guys and 1 white girl commiting a crime like this on 2 black young people ,i don't remember ever reading about .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    inmytree wrote:
    I understand that executing these people won't bring anyone back or change the past... what punishment does...?

    if they truly committed the crimes they are accused of, I personally see no problem with them dying....but that's just me....I happen to think that sometimes, some people are too far gone, and don't deserve to live based on crimes like this...

    again, that's just me...

    Hey man I totally respect your opinion...I am just opposite in the thought with capital punishment and believe me when you read stories as the one posted you questions your beliefs on the matter.....I just believe that to take away their life is an easy way out...prision for life in maximum security for 70 years or till they die is punishment enough for them to think about what they did and morei mportantly they can think each and every day what they will no longer experience from the real world.....that to me is punishment of the worst kind....a quick execution does not punish them it simply takes them away from a life of nothing....a life of nothing in a cell is way more scary and forbidding than a quick lethal needle in the arm.....but that is just my opinion....i do not think the law should kill as punishment it serves the wrong message....

    But once again I must say that I have internal conflict everytime I read of something heinous and I do question my beliefs each and everytime and I do believe that is also very important.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    inmytree wrote:
    I say hang the fuckers...put it on pay per view...and give the proceeds to the families...

    I do agree, it's interesting that this has not received more coverage...sadly, I agree, if the assailants were white and victims were black, this would have been on every news outlet...
    No, not necessarily. I can't copy and paste from snopes, for some reason, but the bottom of the page offers some insight (so I'll type it up):

    "Some commentators have made much of the fact that the buld of the news reportage about the murders has been local, while the case has received little or no national coverage by major news outlets - a phenomenon attributed to the supposedly biased news media loath to report black on white crime.

    However, the notion that every major news outlet in the U.S. (all of them competitive, profit-making businesses) has conspired to ignore what would otherwise be a compelling national story is rather implausible. A more rational explanation might be found in the sober observation that murders - even decidedly horrific murders - are unfortunately too frequent an occurrence in the U.S. for all of them to garner national attention. <<snip>>

    And, of course, the fact that the victims were white and the (presumed) killer black didn't stop the O.J. Simpson murder trial from becoming the most media-covered event in the history of jurisprudence."

    In other words, just because the Duke case was a load of crap doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy to cover this one up. Was there even evidence, beyond the actual skin colors of the individuals involved, that this was a racially motivated crime - or was it just evil?
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    i agree but when was the last time you read about 5 white guys and 1 white girl commiting a crime like this on 2 black young people ,i don't remember ever reading about .....

    Oh, I'm not defending anyone here, just stating a fact.

    Believe me, I am very much in the camp that is sick of all this overly-PC and biased crap!

    And don't get me started on those parasitical worms.....Sharpton and Jackson!
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Hey man I totally respect your opinion...I am just opposite in the thought with capital punishment and believe me when you read stories as the one posted you questions your beliefs on the matter.....I just believe that to take away their life is an easy way out...prision for life in maximum security for 70 years or till they die is punishment enough for them to think about what they did and morei mportantly they can think each and every day what they will no longer experience from the real world.....that to me is punishment of the worst kind....a quick execution does not punish them it simply takes them away from a life of nothing....a life of nothing in a cell is way more scary and forbidding than a quick lethal needle in the arm.....but that is just my opinion....i do not think the law should kill as punishment it serves the wrong message....

    But once again I must say that I have internal conflict everytime I read of something heinous and I do question my beliefs each and everytime and I do believe that is also very important.

    I hear ya, my friend...

    My original post was made right after reading the story, thus my anger and disgust were front and center....

    rock on, rockin...:)
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    inmytree wrote:
    I hear ya, my friend...

    My original post was made right after reading the story, thus my anger and disgust were front and center....

    rock on, rockin...:)

    Whenever I hear a case of phedophiles I understand the rage you experienced....it is tough believing in your own morality sometimes therefore the questioning of it is very important.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    RainDog wrote:
    No, not necessarily. I can't copy and paste from snopes, for some reason, but the bottom of the page offers some insight (so I'll type it up):

    "Some commentators have made much of the fact that the buld of the news reportage about the murders has been local, while the case has received little or no national coverage by major news outlets - a phenomenon attributed to the supposedly biased news media loath to report black on white crime.

    However, the notion that every major news outlet in the U.S. (all of them competitive, profit-making businesses) has conspired to ignore what would otherwise be a compelling national story is rather implausible. A more rational explanation might be found in the sober observation that murders - even decidedly horrific murders - are unfortunately too frequent an occurrence in the U.S. for all of them to garner national attention. <<snip>>

    And, of course, the fact that the victims were white and the (presumed) killer black didn't stop the O.J. Simpson murder trial from becoming the most media-covered event in the history of jurisprudence."

    In other words, just because the Duke case was a load of crap doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy to cover this one up. Was there even evidence, beyond the actual skin colors of the individuals involved, that this was a racially motivated crime - or was it just evil?

    Yeah, I read that...and I think scopes does a good job of hashing out fact from fiction....but I have to disagree with the notion that this sort of crime is "common" thus not a major news story...

    I think the point raised in the original email, which was pointing a fingers at big al and rainbow jessie for ingoring this crime, which may or may not have had racial undertones, is that al and jess are ambulance chasers, using tragedy for there own gain...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,208
    NMyTree wrote:
    Oh, I'm not defending anyone here, just stating a fact.

    Believe me, I am very much in the camp that is sick of all this overly-PC and biased crap!

    And don't get me started on those parasitical worms.....Sharpton and Jackson!
    yeah me too ........
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Whenever I hear a case of phedophiles I understand the rage you experienced....it is tough believing in your own morality sometimes therefore the questioning of it is very important.

    oh no, don't get me started on pedophiles and my thoughts on how they should be treated...

    you'd think I was one sick bastard...

    which may have some merit...;)
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RainDog wrote:
    In other words, just because the Duke case was a load of crap doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy to cover this one up. Was there even evidence, beyond the actual skin colors of the individuals involved, that this was a racially motivated crime - or was it just evil?

    Good points, but that's the beauty of playing the 'hate crime' or 'race' card. No evidence needed. The Snopes mention of OJ was tangential - his celebrity transcended any issues of race in terms of news coverage.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    inmytree wrote:
    Yeah, I read that...and I think scopes does a good job of hashing out fact from fiction....but I have to disagree with the notion that this sort of crime is "common" thus not a major news story...

    I think the point raised in the original email, which was pointing a fingers at big al and rainbow jessie for ingoring this crime, which may or may not have had racial undertones, is that al and jess are ambulance chasers, using tragedy for there own gain...
    Yes, but the e-mail is a bit - disingenuous, to use everyone's new favorite word (thanks McCain! ). It seeks to "level the playing field" as if white criminals would normally be treated unfairly under the law - and that these black criminals will somehow get off easy. Anyone who's ever looked at incarceration and death penalty statistics should know that that's bullshit.

    I believe the sole purpose of e-mails like this are to shout "hey! look at teh eeevil black people" and that Al and Jesse were just thrown in there as easy targets.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    There is no getting around that this would have been big news if you revesed the races on this. Therefore, it is an obvious double standard.

    (regardless of race, I don't think this should be huge national news, but I digress).

    Now in general, I'd rather be a white perpetrator with a black victim, because the justice system would probably treat me better. (Actually the best thing to be would be a rich perpetrator, like OJ). And there is more advantage to your treatment from the justice system than a double standard. In this case, however, regardless of race, these people will never see the light of day again, due to the gruesome nature...
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jeffbr wrote:
    Good points, but that's the beauty of playing the 'hate crime' or 'race' card. No evidence needed. The Snopes mention of OJ was tangential - his celebrity transcended any issues of race in terms of news coverage.
    Yes, and the same could be said of the Duke and Imus cases - celebrity transcends all. And, while I waiver back and forth on the hate crime issue, I do believe evidence is necessary - however circumstantial - for it to be applied above the standard charge.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    RainDog wrote:
    Yes, but the e-mail is a bit - disingenuous, to use everyone's new favorite word (thanks McCain! ). It seeks to "level the playing field" as if white criminals would normally be treated unfairly under the law - and that these black criminals will somehow get off easy. Anyone who's ever looked at incarceration and death penalty statistics should know that that's bullshit.

    I believe the sole purpose of e-mails like this are to shout "hey! look at teh eeevil black people" and that Al and Jesse were just thrown in there as easy targets.

    Some of this is kind of what i was getting at...I hope this does not lead people to think "no media coverate, double standards, therefore the 'PC' justice system will let them off easy." That's not the way it works. The double standard is simply about media coverage. Are we too PC to villianize these people because their black? Are we too stuck in the past to not recognized that a hate crime can go "either way"? Whatever the case, the white-operated media (taking its cues from a still predominatly white America) has decided what to cover.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    jeffbr wrote:
    Good points, but that's the beauty of playing the 'hate crime' or 'race' card. No evidence needed. The Snopes mention of OJ was tangential - his celebrity transcended any issues of race in terms of news coverage.

    In other words, the media did cover a "black on white" crime, but it does not count?
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    The media has no vested interest in reporting crimes where the victim is white and the perps are black. It doesnt fit into any of their agendas, nor does it help any of their causes or interests. If this had been 5 white guys who did this to a young black couple, or a young gay couple, it'd be a media circus. Our media truly is dogshit.
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