PBS Frontline did a documentary series on the O.J. Verdict. Chapter 5, linked above has interviews with black people clearly stating they thought he was guilty but cheered for the verdict.
really? i didnt know they thought he was actually guilty
everyday just brings more bad news and revelations about the human race
i wish the world would end sometimes -sick of hearing sleezy things and news
Yea, but, I beg you to understand where these mobs were coming from as well. It's sad to know that the racial tension could lead a mass of people to support a murderer. But at the same time, the reasons why are comprehensible, at least as much as why O.J.'s wife was murdered.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yea, but, I beg you to understand where these mobs were coming from as well. It's sad to know that the racial tension could lead a mass of people to support a murderer. But at the same time, the reasons why are comprehensible, at least as much as why O.J.'s wife was murdered.
what? that sounds like liberal crap
if you called michael savage and said that he would hang up!!
if you called michael savage and said that he would hang up!!
I honestly don't care who Michael Savage is and I would never call him.
It really doesn't matter what it sounds like. It's the truth.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yea, but, I beg you to understand where these mobs were coming from as well. It's sad to know that the racial tension could lead a mass of people to support a murderer. But at the same time, the reasons why are comprehensible, at least as much as why O.J.'s wife was murdered.
i think people like you are incomprehensible and ridiculous as is crazy clarence darrow even though i also am against the death penalty
i think people like you are incomprehensible and ridiculous as is crazy clarence darrow even though i also am against the death penalty
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Those people felt justified in cheering for Johnny Cochrane. Or, are you implying that several thousand African-American people are crazy?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
the rawanden massacre in 90s and how they got off easy with little time in jail makes me think africa is the most lenient on murder
yes some seem to be crazy in my opinion
seems like violation of standard judaio christian laws or the 7 noichide laws or whatever it is--afria seems to be in there own zone -it seems weird id say
i thought they were cheering for oj,,why do you say cochrane?
They were cheering that Cochrane won the case for black people. Or so they thought anyway.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
do you know prof guitarezz is rumoured as saying? he said "maybe the hispanics will kill off the gringos"
if you dont think that is evil and racist i despise you and all like you
if he didnt say that then forget it
Part of the quote you're referencing is "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." Nobody's denying that it's a racist comment, so seriously, chill out. What on earth makes you so spiteful that would you say something like what's posted above?
I believe that Hope&Anger has a solid point. Clearly, any form of racism, no matter what the skin color of the victim, is pretty heinous. But, whether you like it or not, black people in this country still suffer indignities on a *daily* basis. H&A, if I've put words in your mouth, feel free to correct me
Ravenna, I have another little question for you: why is it that, whenever someone has an opinion with which you don't agree, you instantly label that person as "liberal?" Instead of resorting to insults, why can't you keep level-headed and just have a discussion?
I believe that Hope&Anger has a solid point. Clearly, any form of racism, no matter what the skin color of the victim, is pretty heinous. But, whether you like it or not, black people in this country still suffer indignities on a *daily* basis. H&A, if I've put words in your mouth, feel free to correct me
Well, I don't doubt that what you're saying is basically true, even though I'm not sure that the comment applies to ALL black people equally well.
The gringo comment, though? That's the sort of thing that reaches KKK levels of stupidity and is a cause for concern. We cannot let the pendulum swing so far in the other direction that the brown bigots get to say whatever the hell stupid-ass things they want either. I mean, that sort of thing is tolerated in a institution of higher learning? Fuck. Why not let skinheads teach geology, then?
Well, I don't doubt that what you're saying is basically true, even though I'm not sure that the comment applies to ALL black people equally well.
The gringo comment, though? That's the sort of thing that reaches KKK levels of stupidity and is a cause for concern. We cannot let the pendulum swing so far in the other direction that the brown bigots get to say whatever the hell stupid-ass things they want either. I mean, that sort of thing is tolerated in a institution of higher learning? Fuck. Why not let skinheads teach geology, then?
I totally agree with everything you've posted. I hope I didn't come off as down-playing what the professor said. It was absolutely a heinous (and of course racist) remark.
Part of the quote you're referencing is "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." Nobody's denying that it's a racist comment, so seriously, chill out. What on earth makes you so spiteful that would you say something like what's posted above?
I believe that Hope&Anger has a solid point. Clearly, any form of racism, no matter what the skin color of the victim, is pretty heinous. But, whether you like it or not, black people in this country still suffer indignities on a *daily* basis. H&A, if I've put words in your mouth, feel free to correct me
That's *exactly* what I was trying to say. Sorry for not saying so sooner, but I have to check out of the race threads -- they get me talking to myself. And, well, that's just not right.
And I also completely agree with everyone about the horrible racism coming from that professor. But are these crazy professor's rantings actually evidence that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction? I don't think we should exaggerate the threat of what one loony person with tenure has to say at one college.
And it's not like there aren't notorious white racists on university faculties. When I was at Northwestern, there was an engineering professor who was one of the most famous Holocaust deniers in the world -- he couldn't go to Germany because there were warrants for his arrest -- and his web site "documenting" his claims had a Northwestern URL, and he taught intro courses that all engineering students had to take. And that went on for years.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
And I also completely agree with everyone about the horrible racism coming from that professor. But are these crazy professor's rantings actually evidence that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction? I don't think we should exaggerate the threat of what one loony person with tenure has to say at one college.
And it's not like there aren't notorious white racists on university faculties. When I was at Northwestern, there was an engineering professor who was one of the most famous Holocaust deniers in the world -- he couldn't go to Germany because there were warrants for his arrest -- and his web site "documenting" his claims had a Northwestern URL, and he taught intro courses that all engineering students had to take. And that went on for years.
Hey, I bet this ass jacket was in Iran for the big conference!
And yes, I agree with your point re. the pendulum. We can't argue that it really has gone as far in the other direction as it once was ... The concern being that it theoretically COULD do so. I think its a legit concern that merits discussion, not a totally dismissive response like "Relax, whitey, go play polo or something". Not that you said that ... You get the drift. It merits discussion without someone having to be told that they should shut up because they've led this huge life of privilege. That kind of response gets ME talking to myself (not to mention looking for all these wonderful childhood memories).
you have a link to prove that?in my mind they were cheering oj -maybe im wrong
why do you harp on one issue with no prove and ignore the issue of the brown bigot professor?
im bored
I already posted the PBS documentary that has interviews with people saying exactly what I said. Watch the episode #5 and hear it from the horse's mouth.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And it's not like there aren't notorious white racists on university faculties. When I was at Northwestern, there was an engineering professor who was one of the most famous Holocaust deniers in the world -- he couldn't go to Germany because there were warrants for his arrest -- and his web site "documenting" his claims had a Northwestern URL, and he taught intro courses that all engineering students had to take. And that went on for years.
It's still happening, actually! He caused a huge ruckus this past school year, I can't remember the specifics of what happened but everyone was up in arms.
Hey, I bet this ass jacket was in Iran for the big conference!
I thought about looking for his name among the participants, but then, that would have required looking up the participants. And that would have been 10 minutes of my life I'd never get back. But yes, he was exactly the kind of ass jacket that would get himself invited to a vile conference like that. :rolleyes:
And yes, I agree with your point re. the pendulum. We can't argue that it really has gone as far in the other direction as it once was ... The concern being that it theoretically COULD do so. I think its a legit concern that merits discussion, not a totally dismissive response like "Relax, whitey, go play polo or something". Not that you said that ... You get the drift. It merits discussion without someone having to be told that they should shut up because they've led this huge life of privilege. That kind of response gets ME talking to myself (not to mention looking for all these wonderful childhood memories).
I would never say that people shouldn't talk. I'm all in favor of that philosophy -- I hate what you say but defend to the death your right to say it. Talking is how we understand each other, even if we wind up disagreeing. I've listened while black people told white people stories about their encounters with the police. I've heard working class, white people tell black people stories about the disadvantages they face applying to schools, getting jobs, etc. And everyone learned from each other -- a beautiful thing!! And when everyone is respectful and empathetic and willing to listen, then we can all have actual conversations about what's happening and how to get past it.
Stop me before I sing Kumbayah!!!
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
It's still happening, actually! He caused a huge ruckus this past school year, I can't remember the specifics of what happened but everyone was up in arms.
Thanks for posting that -- just amazing. I do remember the policy mentioned in the article of making sure that there were other professors available to teach his required courses. So students didn't *have to* take his courses.
What I've never understood is why Northwestern had to make its resources available to him to circulate this garbage. I mean, sure, there's academic freedom. But in effect, he's using company property for personal reasons, and surely that would be a justification to stop him.
Ick.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
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really? i didnt know they thought he was actually guilty
everyday just brings more bad news and revelations about the human race
i wish the world would end sometimes -sick of hearing sleezy things and news
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Yea, but, I beg you to understand where these mobs were coming from as well. It's sad to know that the racial tension could lead a mass of people to support a murderer. But at the same time, the reasons why are comprehensible, at least as much as why O.J.'s wife was murdered.
what? that sounds like liberal crap
if you called michael savage and said that he would hang up!!
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
I honestly don't care who Michael Savage is and I would never call him.
It really doesn't matter what it sounds like. It's the truth.
i think people like you are incomprehensible and ridiculous as is crazy clarence darrow even though i also am against the death penalty
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I'm sorry you feel that way.
Those people felt justified in cheering for Johnny Cochrane. Or, are you implying that several thousand African-American people are crazy?
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yes some seem to be crazy in my opinion
seems like violation of standard judaio christian laws or the 7 noichide laws or whatever it is--afria seems to be in there own zone -it seems weird id say
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They were cheering that Cochrane won the case for black people. Or so they thought anyway.
Part of the quote you're referencing is "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." Nobody's denying that it's a racist comment, so seriously, chill out. What on earth makes you so spiteful that would you say something like what's posted above?
I believe that Hope&Anger has a solid point. Clearly, any form of racism, no matter what the skin color of the victim, is pretty heinous. But, whether you like it or not, black people in this country still suffer indignities on a *daily* basis. H&A, if I've put words in your mouth, feel free to correct me
Ravenna, I have another little question for you: why is it that, whenever someone has an opinion with which you don't agree, you instantly label that person as "liberal?" Instead of resorting to insults, why can't you keep level-headed and just have a discussion?
Well, I don't doubt that what you're saying is basically true, even though I'm not sure that the comment applies to ALL black people equally well.
The gringo comment, though? That's the sort of thing that reaches KKK levels of stupidity and is a cause for concern. We cannot let the pendulum swing so far in the other direction that the brown bigots get to say whatever the hell stupid-ass things they want either. I mean, that sort of thing is tolerated in a institution of higher learning? Fuck. Why not let skinheads teach geology, then?
really!!
you have a link to prove that?in my mind they were cheering oj -maybe im wrong
why do you harp on one issue with no prove and ignore the issue of the brown bigot professor?
im bored
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I totally agree with everything you've posted. I hope I didn't come off as down-playing what the professor said. It was absolutely a heinous (and of course racist) remark.
Yep, then they are crazy. Well, at least slightly off kilter.
And I also completely agree with everyone about the horrible racism coming from that professor. But are these crazy professor's rantings actually evidence that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction? I don't think we should exaggerate the threat of what one loony person with tenure has to say at one college.
And it's not like there aren't notorious white racists on university faculties. When I was at Northwestern, there was an engineering professor who was one of the most famous Holocaust deniers in the world -- he couldn't go to Germany because there were warrants for his arrest -- and his web site "documenting" his claims had a Northwestern URL, and he taught intro courses that all engineering students had to take. And that went on for years.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
Hey, I bet this ass jacket was in Iran for the big conference!
And yes, I agree with your point re. the pendulum. We can't argue that it really has gone as far in the other direction as it once was ... The concern being that it theoretically COULD do so. I think its a legit concern that merits discussion, not a totally dismissive response like "Relax, whitey, go play polo or something". Not that you said that ...
I already posted the PBS documentary that has interviews with people saying exactly what I said. Watch the episode #5 and hear it from the horse's mouth.
It's still happening, actually! He caused a huge ruckus this past school year, I can't remember the specifics of what happened but everyone was up in arms.
::edit:: I found the article that I wanted to post, feel free to take a look: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/02/08/butz
I thought about looking for his name among the participants, but then, that would have required looking up the participants. And that would have been 10 minutes of my life I'd never get back. But yes, he was exactly the kind of ass jacket that would get himself invited to a vile conference like that. :rolleyes:
I would never say that people shouldn't talk. I'm all in favor of that philosophy -- I hate what you say but defend to the death your right to say it. Talking is how we understand each other, even if we wind up disagreeing. I've listened while black people told white people stories about their encounters with the police. I've heard working class, white people tell black people stories about the disadvantages they face applying to schools, getting jobs, etc. And everyone learned from each other -- a beautiful thing!!
Stop me before I sing Kumbayah!!!
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
What I've never understood is why Northwestern had to make its resources available to him to circulate this garbage. I mean, sure, there's academic freedom. But in effect, he's using company property for personal reasons, and surely that would be a justification to stop him.
Ick.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
usa tries to kater to blacks and mexicans
i hate american tv
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really?i wonder what they teach in us schools?probably davy crockett was bad and santa anna was some hero and that the whites were mean to indians
im part indian and id say all whites werent mean and indians were mean to indians
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What, did you not go to school then? That explains some things :rolleyes: