yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.
The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.
maybe, but then you'd have to be able to put "the flow" into real numbers, to see the decline, or the rise, or is it just overblown? I sure don't know.
Seriously i think military hardly accomplish anything in this world, but that's just me.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.
but I dont want to take away the opportunity for hard working people to come here. businesses need that labor. I just want them to do it legally. stand in line at the border, fill out the paperwork, get a green card or guest worker card, become a citizen.
maybe, but then you'd have to be able to put "the flow" into real numbers, to see the decline, or the rise, or is it just overblown? I sure don't know.
Seriously i think military hardly accomplish anything in this world, but that's just me.
its just common sense to me. right now there are miles and miles of unprotected border. maybe just a small fence.
build a big fence, put thousands of military on patrol, throw up some military helicopters, night vision equipment, etc etc.
common sense tells me less people would make it through. but thats just me.
The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.
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That is really the simpliest and easiest to enforce policy against illegal immigration... go after the source of the issue... the JOBS.
A major falicy is that they want to become American citizens... NO. They want to live in their homeland... but there's no means to provide for their families there. If they DID want to become American citizens... they wouldn't be sending teir paychecks South of the Border to build homes for their families on their home soil... the same way an American goe to work overseas in Saudi Arabia. He has no intention of becoming a Saudi National... he sends the money home to his family back here.
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its just common sense to me. right now there are miles and miles of unprotected border. maybe just a small fence.
build a big fence, put thousands of military on patrol, throw up some military helicopters, night vision equipment, etc etc.
common sense tells me less people would make it through. but thats just me.
Is it a problem BIG enough to spread billions of dollars on this fence and the border protection? I don't think so, you must take away the reason why these peoples are crossing the borders illegaly, something like make more of them crossing legally, and as Mammasan said, give them less reason to cross the border by making their employment illegal, that would be much better than a fence and a massive military presences, and a lot cheaper too. With the money save you could buy yourself a nice universal healthcare, or a missile shield in the space, as you wish.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
but I dont want to take away the opportunity for hard working people to come here. businesses need that labor. I just want them to do it legally. stand in line at the border, fill out the paperwork, get a green card or guest worker card, become a citizen.
You will not be taking away their opportunities. If you have the paperwork and are here legally than the comapny isn't breaking the law. Obviously this gets a little harder when people are using stolen SS# but there are ways to find out. I worked for a resturaunt chain when I was in college. One day I get called into the managers office, I was the only bilingual employee there. He tells me that I have to explain to 2 of our cooks and 1 dishwasher, and 1 busboy that they where being let go because they used fake/stolen SS#. The manager made one phone call and within a day or two he had the info he needed. Most employers would rather turn a blind eye because they know they can exploit these people for a profit. If we start going after them then illegal immigranst will not have the opportunities available to them. If they want to come here and have those opportunities they will have to do it legally. I just think we are going about it the wrong way. Let's build walls and organize posses to go out aqnd hunt down the illegals. menawhile those lining their pockets off of these people go on untouched.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Come on now Cosmo...you know the crazies are going to shut them down soon enough once they make it illegal to eat anything served over a McDonald's counter.
Is it a problem BIG enough to spread billions of dollars on this fence and the border protection? I don't think so, you must take away the reason why these peoples are crossing the borders illegaly, something like make more of them crossing legally, and as Mammasan said, give them less reason to cross the border by making their employment illegal, that would be much better than a fence and a massive military presences, and a lot cheaper too. With the money save you could buy yourself a nice universal healthcare, or a missile shield in the space, as you wish.
we can afford it. a missle shield in space? what kind of cheap shot is that? I dont even know what the hell you are talking about nice try
Come on now Cosmo...you know the crazies are going to shut them down soon enough once they make it illegal to eat anything served over a McDonald's counter.
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Been to a McDonalds lately?
I used to love McDonalds... ate them Big Macs for lunch... and the 99cent Big Mac Wednesdays... well, gimme two.
But, one day... i realized... there are no grills in McDonalds anymore. No grease fire flame ups... no grease spattering burger dude... no burger flipping utinsil thingy. The burger comes out of a fricken' burger drawer!!! Like some kind of Soylent burger thing. I kinda freaked because... I don't like my burgers coming our of burger bins... I want them to come out of fire. And... it tasted the same. Creeped me out.
Now, I go to In & Out because I see the familiar fire in the kitchen and the grease spattered aprons and the burger flipping thingy. McSoylent Burgers are no longer served here in Cosmoburgh.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Is it a problem BIG enough to spread billions of dollars on this fence and the border protection? I don't think so, you must take away the reason why these peoples are crossing the borders illegaly, something like make more of them crossing legally, and as Mammasan said, give them less reason to cross the border by making their employment illegal, that would be much better than a fence and a massive military presences, and a lot cheaper too. With the money save you could buy yourself a nice universal healthcare, or a missile shield in the space, as you wish.
they need to get off their ass and use that energy to change what's wrong in their own country. mexico is rich in gold; oil; and tourism. stop padding el presidente's pockets and stand up for yourself. otherwise the reasons for leaving will never change.
what does everyone think the impact would be if something was carried out?
Military,fence whatever?
The U.S. economy has become too dependent of the cheap labor provided by these individuals. How would it affect the economy once you started seeing less immigrants in the fileds,restaurants,construction sites? Employers would of course HAVE to pay decent wages once they hired citizens or legal immigrants. Which would of course translate to you the consumer paying a higher cost for damn near everything. Groceries, houses, getting your lawn cut etc etc.
Even if you gave the illegal immigrants the oprtunity to get their papaerwork in order now it would affect your economy. The first thing they would demand is decent wages and humane treatment.
I honestly don't see how getting rid of them or putting a stop to them going into te eUS would benefit it. I believe it would actually hurt the nation.
they need to get off their ass and use that energy to change what's wrong in their own country. mexico is rich in gold; oil; and tourism. stop padding el presidente's pockets and stand up for yourself. otherwise the reasons for leaving will never change.
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But... WE are not in control of Mexico. We have no control of what they do.
BUT..
We ARE in control of what happens on this side of the border. Eliminate the jobs... you eliminate the desire to come here. WE can control the Americans who are hiring these workers... try going after those CRIMINALS and TAX EVADERS. That's something America can do for America... and quit blaming Mexico for being screwed up. Throw the employers in jail... take away their licenses... confiscate their assets... auction off their homes.... if this is such a HUGE problem. Treat the disease... not the symptoms.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
what does everyone think the impact would be if something was carried out?
Military,fence whatever?
The U.S. economy has become too dependent of the cheap labor provided by these individuals. How would it affect the economy once you started seeing less immigrants in the fileds,restaurants,construction sites? Employers would of course HAVE to pay decent wages once they hired citizens or legal immigrants. Which would of course translate to you the consumer paying a higher cost for damn near everything. Groceries, houses, getting your lawn cut etc etc.
Even if you gave the illegal immigrants the oprtunity to get their papaerwork in order now it would affect your economy. The first thing they would demand is decent wages and humane treatment.
I honestly don't see how getting rid of them or putting a stop to them going into te eUS would benefit it. I believe it would actually hurt the nation.
what does everyone think the impact would be if something was carried out?
Military,fence whatever?
The U.S. economy has become too dependent of the cheap labor provided by these individuals. How would it affect the economy once you started seeing less immigrants in the fileds,restaurants,construction sites? Employers would of course HAVE to pay decent wages once they hired citizens or legal immigrants. Which would of course translate to you the consumer paying a higher cost for damn near everything. Groceries, houses, getting your lawn cut etc etc.
Even if you gave the illegal immigrants the oprtunity to get their papaerwork in order now it would affect your economy. The first thing they would demand is decent wages and humane treatment.
I honestly don't see how getting rid of them or putting a stop to them going into te eUS would benefit it. I believe it would actually hurt the nation.
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EXACTLY. The same people that are bitching about 'Illegal Immigrants' would be crying about the increased costs they would face if they were to suddenly vanish. We want the cheap labor... we don't want the cheap laborers. We can't have it both ways.
Either we look for a humanitarian solution that satifies the needs for both sides... or we don't. A wall is a solution for people without an idea of a solution... it won't solve shit. Fix the problem by first treating the immigrants as humans... and go from there.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
should usa enforce immigration laws as mexico does?
I thought you guys already did!
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EXACTLY. The same people that are bitching about 'Illegal Immigrants' would be crying about the increased costs they would face if they were to suddenly vanish. We want the cheap labor... we don't want the cheap laborers. We can't have it both ways.
Either we look for a humanitarian solution that satifies the needs for both sides... or we don't. A wall is a solution for people without an idea of a solution... it won't solve shit. Fix the problem by first treating the immigrants as humans... and go from there.
who the hell wants cheap labour? it drives wages down while the cost of living rises. if fewer people were willing to work for slave wages we'd have decent wages being paid.
what does everyone think the impact would be if something was carried out?
Military,fence whatever?
The U.S. economy has become too dependent of the cheap labor provided by these individuals. How would it affect the economy once you started seeing less immigrants in the fileds,restaurants,construction sites? Employers would of course HAVE to pay decent wages once they hired citizens or legal immigrants. Which would of course translate to you the consumer paying a higher cost for damn near everything. Groceries, houses, getting your lawn cut etc etc.
Even if you gave the illegal immigrants the oprtunity to get their papaerwork in order now it would affect your economy. The first thing they would demand is decent wages and humane treatment.
I honestly don't see how getting rid of them or putting a stop to them going into te eUS would benefit it. I believe it would actually hurt the nation.
my nephew is in the military and he was just deployed to the border. just back from iraq too. the government is finally listening.
who the hell wants cheap labour? it drives wages down while the cost of living rises. if fewer people were willing to work for slave wages we'd have decent wages being paid.
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Wait... you're serious, right?
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You know... we already HAVE a minimum wage in this country. Employers are SUPPOSED to pay these wages. And guess who wants cheap labor? The employers who hire these workers in order to keep more money for themselves. If they have to pay out more... YOU will have to pay more for your services because they aren't going to take the hit.
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Oh.... wait... you live on a compound in the middle of Nowhere, N.D... right? Well, not everyone is a self-sufficient hermit... some of us live in places called "Cities" where there are lots of people. We don't grow our own onions in the city and we really don't want to pay 5 bucks a pound for them at the local Albertsons.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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But... WE are not in control of Mexico. We have no control of what they do.
BUT..
We ARE in control of what happens on this side of the border. Eliminate the jobs... you eliminate the desire to come here. WE can control the Americans who are hiring these workers... try going after those CRIMINALS and TAX EVADERS. That's something America can do for America... and quit blaming Mexico for being screwed up. Throw the employers in jail... take away their licenses... confiscate their assets... auction off their homes.... if this is such a HUGE problem. Treat the disease... not the symptoms.
There is a pretty large illegal population where in the area I live. There are about 4-6 Home depots with a 20 mile radius from me and if you ever drive by any of them early in the morning you can easily see 30-40 illegals being picked up by contractors to do work. Authorities know this but they don't do anything to the contractors. My father is in the construction business and he tells me that at every works sight there is always about 6-10 illegals working. One guy he knows has been deported once already, but he came back because of the work. If there was no work they would come back or at least they would try to come back legally.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
... If there was no work they would come back or at least they would try to come back legally.
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and do what? If there is no work... at all... no illegal work at all... what would they do? They can stay in Mexico and get paid zero... but, at least, they'd be with their families.
The people who hate the illegal immigrants should hold the Employers responsible for their part in all of this.
Personally... I don't see it as the major problem facing America...
Number one: Iraq
Illegal immigration is below Health Care costs, Social Security/Medicare problems and environmental issues in my priority list. They are just fucking humans trying to make a better living.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
If there was no work they would come back or at least they would try to come back legally.
But, they would not be able to pay rent even in the worst part of town if none of them had any income. I'll give you that there are a lot of illegal immigrant mothers in the states who collect welfare. But, there's no way they can actually live on welfare alone. It's being supplemented by the hubby who hangs out at Home Depot until he gets picked up by Joe Schmo who doesn't want to pay for a contractor.
If they still stayed in the states, they'd have to do like in mexico and build tin shacks. But, we have ordinances against tin shacks. In the US, tin shacks have to be built by a crooked contractor.
So, back down across the border they would go. Then US businesses would be forced to hire americans and pay higher wages and benefits. Cost of living would go up, but everything would eventually balance itself out through decreases in wage gaps.
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The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.
maybe, but then you'd have to be able to put "the flow" into real numbers, to see the decline, or the rise, or is it just overblown? I sure don't know.
Seriously i think military hardly accomplish anything in this world, but that's just me.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
its just common sense to me. right now there are miles and miles of unprotected border. maybe just a small fence.
build a big fence, put thousands of military on patrol, throw up some military helicopters, night vision equipment, etc etc.
common sense tells me less people would make it through. but thats just me.
That is really the simpliest and easiest to enforce policy against illegal immigration... go after the source of the issue... the JOBS.
A major falicy is that they want to become American citizens... NO. They want to live in their homeland... but there's no means to provide for their families there. If they DID want to become American citizens... they wouldn't be sending teir paychecks South of the Border to build homes for their families on their home soil... the same way an American goe to work overseas in Saudi Arabia. He has no intention of becoming a Saudi National... he sends the money home to his family back here.
Hail, Hail!!!
Is it a problem BIG enough to spread billions of dollars on this fence and the border protection? I don't think so, you must take away the reason why these peoples are crossing the borders illegaly, something like make more of them crossing legally, and as Mammasan said, give them less reason to cross the border by making their employment illegal, that would be much better than a fence and a massive military presences, and a lot cheaper too. With the money save you could buy yourself a nice universal healthcare, or a missile shield in the space, as you wish.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
You will not be taking away their opportunities. If you have the paperwork and are here legally than the comapny isn't breaking the law. Obviously this gets a little harder when people are using stolen SS# but there are ways to find out. I worked for a resturaunt chain when I was in college. One day I get called into the managers office, I was the only bilingual employee there. He tells me that I have to explain to 2 of our cooks and 1 dishwasher, and 1 busboy that they where being let go because they used fake/stolen SS#. The manager made one phone call and within a day or two he had the info he needed. Most employers would rather turn a blind eye because they know they can exploit these people for a profit. If we start going after them then illegal immigranst will not have the opportunities available to them. If they want to come here and have those opportunities they will have to do it legally. I just think we are going about it the wrong way. Let's build walls and organize posses to go out aqnd hunt down the illegals. menawhile those lining their pockets off of these people go on untouched.
You run a Methamphetamine Lab?
Hail, Hail!!!
nope, not even close...
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... work at McDonalds?
Hail, Hail!!!
Come on now Cosmo...you know the crazies are going to shut them down soon enough once they make it illegal to eat anything served over a McDonald's counter.
nope, I never did... keep guessing if you wish
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Been to a McDonalds lately?
I used to love McDonalds... ate them Big Macs for lunch... and the 99cent Big Mac Wednesdays... well, gimme two.
But, one day... i realized... there are no grills in McDonalds anymore. No grease fire flame ups... no grease spattering burger dude... no burger flipping utinsil thingy. The burger comes out of a fricken' burger drawer!!! Like some kind of Soylent burger thing. I kinda freaked because... I don't like my burgers coming our of burger bins... I want them to come out of fire. And... it tasted the same. Creeped me out.
Now, I go to In & Out because I see the familiar fire in the kitchen and the grease spattered aprons and the burger flipping thingy. McSoylent Burgers are no longer served here in Cosmoburgh.
Hail, Hail!!!
they need to get off their ass and use that energy to change what's wrong in their own country. mexico is rich in gold; oil; and tourism. stop padding el presidente's pockets and stand up for yourself. otherwise the reasons for leaving will never change.
Military,fence whatever?
The U.S. economy has become too dependent of the cheap labor provided by these individuals. How would it affect the economy once you started seeing less immigrants in the fileds,restaurants,construction sites? Employers would of course HAVE to pay decent wages once they hired citizens or legal immigrants. Which would of course translate to you the consumer paying a higher cost for damn near everything. Groceries, houses, getting your lawn cut etc etc.
Even if you gave the illegal immigrants the oprtunity to get their papaerwork in order now it would affect your economy. The first thing they would demand is decent wages and humane treatment.
I honestly don't see how getting rid of them or putting a stop to them going into te eUS would benefit it. I believe it would actually hurt the nation.
But... WE are not in control of Mexico. We have no control of what they do.
BUT..
We ARE in control of what happens on this side of the border. Eliminate the jobs... you eliminate the desire to come here. WE can control the Americans who are hiring these workers... try going after those CRIMINALS and TAX EVADERS. That's something America can do for America... and quit blaming Mexico for being screwed up. Throw the employers in jail... take away their licenses... confiscate their assets... auction off their homes.... if this is such a HUGE problem. Treat the disease... not the symptoms.
Hail, Hail!!!
you make excellent points.
EXACTLY. The same people that are bitching about 'Illegal Immigrants' would be crying about the increased costs they would face if they were to suddenly vanish. We want the cheap labor... we don't want the cheap laborers. We can't have it both ways.
Either we look for a humanitarian solution that satifies the needs for both sides... or we don't. A wall is a solution for people without an idea of a solution... it won't solve shit. Fix the problem by first treating the immigrants as humans... and go from there.
Hail, Hail!!!
I thought you guys already did!
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mexico shoots you if you try to cross the border. i've had friends shot and killed sneeking in for pot.
who the hell wants cheap labour? it drives wages down while the cost of living rises. if fewer people were willing to work for slave wages we'd have decent wages being paid.
my nephew is in the military and he was just deployed to the border. just back from iraq too. the government is finally listening.
Wait... you're serious, right?
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You know... we already HAVE a minimum wage in this country. Employers are SUPPOSED to pay these wages. And guess who wants cheap labor? The employers who hire these workers in order to keep more money for themselves. If they have to pay out more... YOU will have to pay more for your services because they aren't going to take the hit.
...
Oh.... wait... you live on a compound in the middle of Nowhere, N.D... right? Well, not everyone is a self-sufficient hermit... some of us live in places called "Cities" where there are lots of people. We don't grow our own onions in the city and we really don't want to pay 5 bucks a pound for them at the local Albertsons.
Hail, Hail!!!
There is a pretty large illegal population where in the area I live. There are about 4-6 Home depots with a 20 mile radius from me and if you ever drive by any of them early in the morning you can easily see 30-40 illegals being picked up by contractors to do work. Authorities know this but they don't do anything to the contractors. My father is in the construction business and he tells me that at every works sight there is always about 6-10 illegals working. One guy he knows has been deported once already, but he came back because of the work. If there was no work they would come back or at least they would try to come back legally.
and do what? If there is no work... at all... no illegal work at all... what would they do? They can stay in Mexico and get paid zero... but, at least, they'd be with their families.
The people who hate the illegal immigrants should hold the Employers responsible for their part in all of this.
Personally... I don't see it as the major problem facing America...
Number one: Iraq
Illegal immigration is below Health Care costs, Social Security/Medicare problems and environmental issues in my priority list. They are just fucking humans trying to make a better living.
Hail, Hail!!!
But, they would not be able to pay rent even in the worst part of town if none of them had any income. I'll give you that there are a lot of illegal immigrant mothers in the states who collect welfare. But, there's no way they can actually live on welfare alone. It's being supplemented by the hubby who hangs out at Home Depot until he gets picked up by Joe Schmo who doesn't want to pay for a contractor.
If they still stayed in the states, they'd have to do like in mexico and build tin shacks. But, we have ordinances against tin shacks. In the US, tin shacks have to be built by a crooked contractor.
So, back down across the border they would go. Then US businesses would be forced to hire americans and pay higher wages and benefits. Cost of living would go up, but everything would eventually balance itself out through decreases in wage gaps.
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