should usa enforce immigration laws as mexico does?

know1

No. The U.S. should make it amazingly simple and easy to enter this country legally.

jlew24asu

sponger wrote:

And costing 1000 times more to operate.

and our economy is 10000 times larger. we could go back and forth if you want. I still believe the american military can drastically stop the flow of illegal immigrants into our country.

jlew24asu

Rushlimbo wrote:

It's funny messing with you Jlew. You really are wound tightly. And an easy mark.

just try a little harder to be funny. might help me unwind.

yoke

We should have the Border Patrol backed by the military that will actually enforce and not just sit there and do paperwork, also a wall on the border not a fence. After that we round up the illegals that are here by SS#'s(its not all of them but its a start). At that point, we fine each company that employed these illegals to help fund the border project and sending them home.

The local police should be allowed to enforce Immigration policy as well. Each town in the US knows where these people are, lets round them up and send them home, anchor babies and all. If they want to come to America, get in line with everyone else. They are a drain on our society. They do contribute, but I know plenty of people in the construction industry that would be glad to see them go. The argument that they do the jobs that Americans won't is bullshit.

thankyougrandma

jlew24asu wrote:

and our military capabilities are 1000 times that of mexico

it doesn't take the whole arsenal to control a border, it's just impossible to do,as long as there are peoples wanting to cross the border, there will be peoples crossing the border, unless you install a soldier per square feet. I think it would cost a lot, just guessing...

Cosmo

yoke wrote:

The argument that they do the jobs that Americans won't is bullshit.

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I know they're hiring onion pickers out in Bakersfield... they pay by the amount you pick, not the hours you work.
You should send them your resume.

yoke

Cosmo wrote:

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I know they're hiring onion pickers out in Bakersfield... they pay by the amount you pick, not the hours you work.
You should send them your resume.

Considering I used to work on a farm I wouldn't be against it. However, I have a job that I am happy with but thanks for looking out for me.

Cosmo

yoke wrote:

Considering I used to work on a farm I wouldn't be against it. However, I have a job that I am happy with but thanks for looking out for me.

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I'll let them know that you're still interested in a career as an onion picker... if your other job doesn't pan out.

jlew24asu

thankyougrandma wrote:

it doesn't take the whole arsenal to control a border, it's just impossible to do,as long as there are peoples wanting to cross the border, there will be peoples crossing the border, unless you install a soldier per square feet. I think it would cost a lot, just guessing...

yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.

yoke

Cosmo wrote:

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I'll let them know that you're still interested in a career as an onion picker... if your other job doesn't pan out.

Thanks I apprecitate it but what I do there is always work to be done.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.

The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.

thankyougrandma

jlew24asu wrote:

yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.

maybe, but then you'd have to be able to put "the flow" into real numbers, to see the decline, or the rise, or is it just overblown? I sure don't know.

Seriously i think military hardly accomplish anything in this world, but that's just me.

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.

but I dont want to take away the opportunity for hard working people to come here. businesses need that labor. I just want them to do it legally. stand in line at the border, fill out the paperwork, get a green card or guest worker card, become a citizen.

jlew24asu

thankyougrandma wrote:

maybe, but then you'd have to be able to put "the flow" into real numbers, to see the decline, or the rise, or is it just overblown? I sure don't know.

Seriously i think military hardly accomplish anything in this world, but that's just me.

its just common sense to me. right now there are miles and miles of unprotected border. maybe just a small fence.

build a big fence, put thousands of military on patrol, throw up some military helicopters, night vision equipment, etc etc.

common sense tells me less people would make it through. but thats just me.

Cosmo

mammasan wrote:

The easiest way to slow down the incoming flow of illegals is to forcefully go after comapnies and employers who hire them. Make sure that the penalty for hiring an illegal is severe and not just a mere slap on the wrist. If there is no opportunity here for them they will stop coming.

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That is really the simpliest and easiest to enforce policy against illegal immigration... go after the source of the issue... the JOBS.
A major falicy is that they want to become American citizens... NO. They want to live in their homeland... but there's no means to provide for their families there. If they DID want to become American citizens... they wouldn't be sending teir paychecks South of the Border to build homes for their families on their home soil... the same way an American goe to work overseas in Saudi Arabia. He has no intention of becoming a Saudi National... he sends the money home to his family back here.

thankyougrandma

jlew24asu wrote:

its just common sense to me. right now there are miles and miles of unprotected border. maybe just a small fence.

build a big fence, put thousands of military on patrol, throw up some military helicopters, night vision equipment, etc etc.

common sense tells me less people would make it through. but thats just me.

Is it a problem BIG enough to spread billions of dollars on this fence and the border protection? I don't think so, you must take away the reason why these peoples are crossing the borders illegaly, something like make more of them crossing legally, and as Mammasan said, give them less reason to cross the border by making their employment illegal, that would be much better than a fence and a massive military presences, and a lot cheaper too. With the money save you could buy yourself a nice universal healthcare, or a missile shield in the space, as you wish.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

but I dont want to take away the opportunity for hard working people to come here. businesses need that labor. I just want them to do it legally. stand in line at the border, fill out the paperwork, get a green card or guest worker card, become a citizen.

You will not be taking away their opportunities. If you have the paperwork and are here legally than the comapny isn't breaking the law. Obviously this gets a little harder when people are using stolen SS# but there are ways to find out. I worked for a resturaunt chain when I was in college. One day I get called into the managers office, I was the only bilingual employee there. He tells me that I have to explain to 2 of our cooks and 1 dishwasher, and 1 busboy that they where being let go because they used fake/stolen SS#. The manager made one phone call and within a day or two he had the info he needed. Most employers would rather turn a blind eye because they know they can exploit these people for a profit. If we start going after them then illegal immigranst will not have the opportunities available to them. If they want to come here and have those opportunities they will have to do it legally. I just think we are going about it the wrong way. Let's build walls and organize posses to go out aqnd hunt down the illegals. menawhile those lining their pockets off of these people go on untouched.

Cosmo

yoke wrote:

Thanks I apprecitate it but what I do there is always work to be done.

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You run a Methamphetamine Lab?

yoke

Cosmo wrote:

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You run a Methamphetamine Lab?

nope, not even close...

Cosmo

yoke wrote:

nope, not even close...

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... work at McDonalds?