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should usa enforce immigration laws as mexico does?

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should usa enforce immigration laws as mexico does?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I don't think Mexico is doing a very good job of enforcing their immigration laws. From what I understand Mexico has just a severe problem of illigal immigrants crossing into their country as we do.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    No. The US should start cracking down on businesses who hire illegal immigrants. But, that will never happen because undocumented labor is crucial to our economy. Plus, everybody loves to blame the mexicans for our problems, so we just keep looking the other way.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think Mexico is doing a very good job of enforcing their immigration laws. From what I understand Mexico has just a severe problem of illigal immigrants crossing into their country as we do.
    really? who?
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    jlew24asu wrote:
    really? who?

    central and southern americans.
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  • The IllinoisemakersThe Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think Mexico is doing a very good job of enforcing their immigration laws. From what I understand Mexico has just a severe problem of illigal immigrants crossing into their country as we do.

    I thought I had heard it was the other way. The southern Mexican boarder was heavily guarded by Mexico's army to keep immigrants.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I thought I had heard it was the other way. The southern Mexican boarder was heavily guarded by Mexico's army to keep immigrants.

    You are correct. Mexico's southern border is militarized and the penalties for violating its immigration laws makes our laws look like parking citations.

    But, the fact remains that Mexico still has huge immigration problems. That's why militarization of the border is fairy-tale fantasy.
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  • The IllinoisemakersThe Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    sponger wrote:
    You are correct. Mexico's southern border is militarized and the penalties for violating its immigration laws makes our laws look like parking citations.

    But, the fact remains that Mexico still has huge immigration problems. That's why militarization of the border is fairy-tale fantasy.

    How do the people get through then? What is the percentage of people who try who don't make it because of the Army presence? You might not know, but just curious.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Let me just put it this way. A few years ago my brother's social security number was stolen by three different people. According to the IRS agent I spoke with, the names of those people were hispanic, and each person was collecting income in the southwestern states, which were arizona, california, and nevada.

    His social security number was used strictly for purposes of employment, so one can only assume that the perpetrators were illegal immigrants.

    At first, I wanted to find these guys and give them a piece of my mind. I was begging the IRS agent for their addresses, which the IRS did have. Of course, they wouldn't give those addresses to me.

    For weeks I called the IRS over and over to see if there was any way I could get those addresses. My brother and I were prepared to drive all over the southwestern united states to make sure that these illegal immigrants in particular understood what an inconvenience it was for us to have to deal with that situation.

    But, everything worked out OK for my brother. His credit was straightened out (as no illegal debt had been incurred), and the IRS was surprisingly quick in straightening out the tax issues. My brother got his tax refund that year with no problems.

    So, the anger subsided, and I was left with some time to really think about the situation with a clear mind. And that's when it dawned on me: The people who are really responsible for this bullshit are the POS business owners who hired these guys.

    It's not that hard at all to verify social security numbers. I guarantee these businesses didn't even bother trying. These illegal immigrants just want 3 meals a day and potable water. These businesses want a few extra percentage points added to their profit margin. It's sickening. Why does our society focus so much on the illegal immigrants and not the slave owners who sponsor their illegal activities? I'm sure there are lots of reasons.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    How do the people get through then? What is the percentage of people who try who don't make it because of the Army presence? You might not know, but just curious.

    No, I do not know. But, when I think about it, I think of how in spite of the fact that a huge wall separated e. and w. germany for a number of decades, people were still able to sneak across. People are capable of doing anything when they put their minds to it.
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  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    sponger wrote:
    You are correct. Mexico's southern border is militarized and the penalties for violating its immigration laws makes our laws look like parking citations.

    But, the fact remains that Mexico still has huge immigration problems. That's why militarization of the border is fairy-tale fantasy.

    Our parking citations are more severe than our immigration laws.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    really? who?

    Mexico has a problem with a lot of Hondurans, El Salvadorians, Guatamalens, and Nicaraguans illegally crossing into Mexico. They don't go to Mexico to stay there but to try to pass into our country. Mexico has militarized it's southern border but it hasn't been as effective as the Mexican government had hoped it would be.
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  • PickrPickr Posts: 161
    Mexico enforces things?
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    jlew24asu wrote:
    really? who?

    Touristas going to border towns and staying indefinitely because of bowel problems. That and the clap.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Mexico has a problem with a lot of Hondurans, El Salvadorians, Guatamalens, and Nicaraguans illegally crossing into Mexico. They don't go to Mexico to stay there but to try to pass into our country. Mexico has militarized it's southern border but it hasn't been as effective as the Mexican government had hoped it would be.
    interesting. I believe the american military would have a better effect on our border as mexico's does in the south.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    Touristas going to border towns and staying indefinitely because of bowel problems. That and the clap.
    you realize you really are never funny
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    jlew24asu wrote:
    interesting. I believe the american military would have a better effect on our border as mexico's does in the south.

    Then again, Mexico's southern border is 757 miles across. Our southern border is 1963 miles across.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sponger wrote:
    Then again, Mexico's southern border is 757 miles across. Our southern border is 1963 miles across.
    and our military capabilities are 1000 times that of mexico
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and our military capabilities are 1000 times that of mexico

    And costing 1000 times more to operate.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you realize you really are never funny

    It's funny messing with you Jlew. You really are wound tightly. And an easy mark.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    sponger wrote:
    No. The US should start cracking down on businesses who hire illegal immigrants. But, that will never happen because undocumented labor is crucial to our economy. Plus, everybody loves to blame the mexicans for our problems, so we just keep looking the other way.


    and therin lies the answer to why nothing has been done.

    Democrats love illegals because they feel they have lots of new fresh low income people they can pander too and get votes.

    Republicans love illegals because their campaign contributions come from large corporations (and smaller business owners too) who benifit tremendously from illegal labor.

    Cracking down hard on businesses who hire illegal immigrants would be a good start, but I don't see it happening because of the above reasons.

    It's not that they don't see the issue or understand it or probably even know how to fix it, each of the major political parties is trying to decide how it will effect thier ability to retain power.

    It's a lot like the drug war really, it dosen't matter that it's wasteful and ineffective, it helps people stay in power.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    No. The U.S. should make it amazingly simple and easy to enter this country legally.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sponger wrote:
    And costing 1000 times more to operate.
    and our economy is 10000 times larger. we could go back and forth if you want. I still believe the american military can drastically stop the flow of illegal immigrants into our country.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    It's funny messing with you Jlew. You really are wound tightly. And an easy mark.
    just try a little harder to be funny. might help me unwind.
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    We should have the Border Patrol backed by the military that will actually enforce and not just sit there and do paperwork, also a wall on the border not a fence. After that we round up the illegals that are here by SS#'s(its not all of them but its a start). At that point, we fine each company that employed these illegals to help fund the border project and sending them home.

    The local police should be allowed to enforce Immigration policy as well. Each town in the US knows where these people are, lets round them up and send them home, anchor babies and all. If they want to come to America, get in line with everyone else. They are a drain on our society. They do contribute, but I know plenty of people in the construction industry that would be glad to see them go. The argument that they do the jobs that Americans won't is bullshit.
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  • thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    jlew24asu wrote:
    and our military capabilities are 1000 times that of mexico

    it doesn't take the whole arsenal to control a border, it's just impossible to do,as long as there are peoples wanting to cross the border, there will be peoples crossing the border, unless you install a soldier per square feet. I think it would cost a lot, just guessing...
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    yoke wrote:
    The argument that they do the jobs that Americans won't is bullshit.
    ...
    I know they're hiring onion pickers out in Bakersfield... they pay by the amount you pick, not the hours you work.
    You should send them your resume.
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  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I know they're hiring onion pickers out in Bakersfield... they pay by the amount you pick, not the hours you work.
    You should send them your resume.


    Considering I used to work on a farm I wouldn't be against it. However, I have a job that I am happy with but thanks for looking out for me.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    yoke wrote:
    Considering I used to work on a farm I wouldn't be against it. However, I have a job that I am happy with but thanks for looking out for me.
    ...
    I'll let them know that you're still interested in a career as an onion picker... if your other job doesn't pan out.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    it doesn't take the whole arsenal to control a border, it's just impossible to do,as long as there are peoples wanting to cross the border, there will be peoples crossing the border, unless you install a soldier per square feet. I think it would cost a lot, just guessing...
    yea no shit. but it would certainly slow down the flow of illegals entering this country.
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I'll let them know that you're still interested in a career as an onion picker... if your other job doesn't pan out.


    Thanks I apprecitate it but what I do there is always work to be done.
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