spin, inventions, there's no message sent for pro terrorist other than the interpretation you get from it, those newspapers are spinning it for you to believe this way, i'm telling you one last time, i was there and did not felt i was part of a anti anything rally or pro terrorist rally, if you get that from the bad newspaper you read, it's your own problem, not mine, not Canada's problem, it's your problem.
If you don't think how Canada is viewed internationally is all our problems/issue then why would you ever care about any stance taken by Harper on an issue?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Exactly the best position is not to be pro-Hezbiollah or pro-Israel...be Pro-Peace...take the middle...AGAIN the media is adding to the polarization in Western culture......
Likewise I do not get it...being Pro-Israel right now is deemed noble and the "in-thing" which sickens me as much as when I see people blatantly support Hezbollah......and I think some media outlets are trying to sabatoge the people who want a ceasefire or peace as sympathizers....pathetic what everything has amounted to.....
Let's get one thing clear. Being pro-Israel is acceptable, being pro-Lebanon is acceptable. Being pro-Hezbollah is being pro-terrorism and that's not acceptable in my books.
You can be pro-Israel and want peace and no more loss of life. You can be pro-Lebanon and want peace and no more loss of life. I do not see how you can be pro-Hezbollah and say you want peace.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Let's get one thing clear. Being pro-Israel is acceptable, being pro-Lebanon is acceptable. Being pro-Hezbollah is being pro-terrorism and that's not acceptable in my books.
You can be pro-Israel and want peace and no more loss of life. You can be pro-Lebanon and want peace and no more loss of life. I do not see how you can be pro-Hexbollah and say you want peace.
Depends on your perception of Hizbullah. I've literally asked a dozen times on these forums for someone to prove that Hizbullah uses "human shields" and I've yet to get a response. Or at least the thread dies shortly after and is lost inside the memory-hole of the moving train.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Let's get one thing clear. Being pro-Israel is acceptable, being pro-Lebanon is acceptable. Being pro-Hezbollah is being pro-terrorism and that's not acceptable in my books.
You can be pro-Israel and want peace and no more loss of life. You can be pro-Lebanon and want peace and no more loss of life. I do not see how you can be pro-Hexbollah and say you want peace.
No the Pro-Israel bunch who actually want peace should join up with the pro-Lebanon bunch...since this march was to condone fighting on both sides it seems to represent more of a peaceful resolution than those of the pro-Israel side....
However there are those in the Pro-Israel side that support current & future military action which therefore is pro-war regardless of what you believe and that is not acceptable in my book...they belong in the same boat as the Pro-Hezbollah bunch.....
But I will agree that not all Pro-Israel are for the war.....but it remains a fact that there plight is enlightened more in the media than those of Pro-Lebanon and the National Post article is proof of that....
Let's get one thing clear. Being pro-Israel is acceptable, being pro-Lebanon is acceptable. Being pro-Hezbollah is being pro-terrorism and that's not acceptable in my books.
You can be pro-Israel and want peace and no more loss of life.
correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't those israeli tanks and troops crossing the border into lebanon?? that's not very peaceful.
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Depends on your perception of Hizbullah. I've literally asked a dozen times on these forums for someone to prove that Hizbullah uses "human shields" and I've yet to get a response. Or at least the thread dies shortly after and is lost inside the memory-hole of the moving train.
This is getting idiotic, but how would you describe Hizbullah?
They are not the Lebanon army, nor do they represent Lebanon in any way. They are not fighting a civil war in Lebanon so they cannot be viewed as rebels. They attack other country(s) to further their own agenda. They are terrorists.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
This is getting idiotic, but how would you describe Hizbullah?
They are not the Lebanon army, nor do they represent Lebanon in any way. They are not fighting a civil war in Lebanon so they cannot be viewed as rebels. They attack other country(s) to further their own agenda. They are terrorists.
I really don't know enough about Hizbullah to make any assumptions about them. Didn't the Israeli soldiers cross over into southern lebanon and then run back to Israel before being captured? Kind of reminds me of LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin. If you can't prove that they use "human shields" than maybe their huminatarian projects, like hospitals and schools are for good and not bad. But I guess Fox dictates your perspective.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I really don't know enough about Hizbullah to make any assumptions about them. Didn't the Israeli soldiers cross over into southern lebanon and then run back to Israel before being captured? Kind of reminds me of LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin. If you can't prove that they use "human shields" than maybe their huminatarian projects, like hospitals and schools are for good and not bad. But I guess Fox dictates your perspective.
I'm sure as a terrorist organization go they do many good things. Hell, even the Hells Angels do an anuual toy run prior to Christmas. But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label. They do not represent any country, not are they trying to. They only represent their own agenda.
You keep harping about this "human shield" thing, this is onconsequential to them being a terrorist organization.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I'm sure as a terrorist organization go they do many good things. Hell, even the Hells Angels do an anuual toy run prior to Christmas. But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label. They do not represent any country, not are they trying to. They only represent their own agenda.
They did get voted into Parliament so I guess they do represent some part of the country....
They did get voted into Parliament so I guess they do represent some part of the country....
They represent Lebanon as a political party, not an armed faction with ther own private agenda. That's a little like saying once a mobster gets elected that all mobster related activity is a representation of the government.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
They represent Lebanon as a political party, not an armed faction with ther own private agenda. That's a little like saying once a mobster gets elected that all mobster related activity is a representation of the government.
Wasn't trying to argue just wanted to point that out....
Great Topic. Canada hasn't been Hit yet for the same reason Sweden, finland and all the other countries that are easy target that haven't been dinged. It because They don't have their hands in places that their hands shouldn't be in. America won't come out and say that's the reason why these islamics terrorist are wanting us dead. No NO No that wouldn't fly..but if they sell you the idea they are after our freedom well then that becomes an easier argument to sell.. Well if they were after all our freedom wouldn't Iceland get it tomorrow..Look at why spain got Bombed..They went to Iraq...They got Bombed...They got Bombed...they left..Haven't been bombed since....The london bombings happened and The terrorist said that it happened because of England being Iraq...If you ask me That doesn't sound like a group that after our Freedom..sound like they just want what the goverments won't tell us. Bin Laiden even came out and offered a truce....Wasn't that bad just get out of places that you shouldn't be in..The western world response to that..we don't negotiate with terrorist..Well then you'll continue to get dinged..Keep thinking these guys are killing themselfs and Us because they are after our freedom...Cause guess what switzerland has freedom and they sleep well at night...Our perception of reality is only The reality that is shown to us..
Well at least you trust the and believe the terrorist.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Canada is not attacked because in many wasy we support the terrorists. Just look at last weekend's parade in Montreal, pro-Hezbollah signs were to be found and accepted. It has become politically incorrect in Canada to speak harshly about terrorist organizations, it is seen as taking a pro-Israel stance.
I agree 100%, and I'll always back america and isreal, because if i'm picking sides thats my side.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I'm sure as a terrorist organization go they do many good things. Hell, even the Hells Angels do an anuual toy run prior to Christmas. But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label. They do not represent any country, not are they trying to. They only represent their own agenda.
You keep harping about this "human shield" thing, this is onconsequential to them being a terrorist organization.
Well, clearly by now our terms and labels don't fully apply to other civilizations. As an example, many of us would call Israel's actions "violation of humanitarian law" but Israel calls it "defense".
Obviously what we call a "terrorist" doesn't apply to places like Lebanon and groups like Hizbullah. It was really easy for you to be conditioned to using this term "terrorist" so widely and vaguely. What you are saying is that "Organized Crime" is "terrorism". Why don't we just call them Organized Criminals then? Because they have a political agenda?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If you don't think how Canada is viewed internationally is all our problems/issue then why would you ever care about any stance taken by Harper on an issue?
Sorry i just don't understand your question... what i mean in the post you quoted, is that Canada do not support terrorism, as you said in your previous post, or as it's said recently in many newspapers (although they like using Quebec more than Canada). Specially since you base that point of view of "Canada support terrorism" on a rally where there were a dozen (i really throw a random number) of Hezbollah flags, then it's your interpretation problem, Canada is not a terrorist friend, or doesn't support terrorism. Sorry i fail to see how it has something to with international view or even with Stephen Harper lack of leadership on the international level.
I hope Canada is not painted in international medias as terrorist friend because some Quebec separatist group went to a rally where there were some Hezbollah flags... hehe or maybe it will get there soon if the spinning goes on with this kind of agenda... which is why there's a need for more protest with more people, if it brings some awareness, then great, i don't care about the angle it takes, but i do the only thing i can do to oppose this war, walk in the streets, if some Israel ambassador or lobby succeed at making these protest illegal, then it's a huge lost for Canada, but i don't think we'll get to this. Hezbollah flags are not welcome, but you can't paint everyone and a whole country base on this small group of peoples, i hope i make my point clear.
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
I agree 100%, and I'll always back america and isreal, because if i'm picking sides thats my side.
Lay off the steroids
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm sure as a terrorist organization go they do many good things. Hell, even the Hells Angels do an anuual toy run prior to Christmas. But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label. They do not represent any country, not are they trying to. They only represent their own agenda.
You keep harping about this "human shield" thing, this is onconsequential to them being a terrorist organization.
according to your argument ("But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label) , Israel Defense Forces (in Lebanon) and the USArmy (in Iraq) are terrorist then. Not saying Hezbollah are not, but just blaming then won't solve anything...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Still cannot argue that fact we never have been attacked...must be doing something right.
watch out with that, cause if an attack occur, it will be the fault of the Liberals and Socialist and terrorist friend, it will be all Liberals fault, it will be Trudeau's fault...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
according to your argument ("But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label) , Israel Defense Forces (in Lebanon) and the USArmy (in Iraq) are terrorist then. Not saying Hezbollah are not, but just blaming then won't solve anything...
The Israeli Army represents Israel. The US Army represents the US. While I do not approve of their actions I do draw a distinction between the actions of a sovereign country and groups like Hizbullah.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The Israeli Army represents Israel. The US Army represents the US. While I do not approve of their actions I do draw a distinction between the actions of a sovereign country and groups like Hizbullah.
Ah I see, so Nations that commit war crimes are "Sovereign Nations Defending" and resistance factions that commit war crimes are "Terrorists"
I think I understand your distinction now. It's just ignorant, imo.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The Israeli Army represents Israel. The US Army represents the US. While I do not approve of their actions I do draw a distinction between the actions of a sovereign country and groups like Hizbullah.
no problem with that, no problem at all. But criminals are criminals, in the end (or in the future) state criminal should be punished, that should be part of a UN reform... and i don't know who inflicted the more terror in their respective ground of operation, state sponsored army or the terrorist group... i believe they should all be condemn, war crimes is not exclusive to terrorist or dictators.
But anyway, those are semantic (first time i use this word, i hope it fit ) and won't change anything to the situation...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
no problem with that, no problem at all. But criminals are criminals, in the end (or in the future) state criminal should be punished, that should be part of a UN reform... and i don't know who inflicted the more terror in their respective ground of operation, state sponsored army or the terrorist group... i believe they should all be condemn, war crimes is not exclusive to terrorist or dictators.
But anyway, those are semantic (first time i use this word, i hope it fit ) and won't change anything to the situation...
More or less I agree with you. Except that the UN is part of the problem and not part of any solution.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Hey I'm a real Quebecer..I don't know what the man means by Pro Hezbollah signs but maybe you should ask them why are they Pro heszbolla..It would maybe surprise you there answer is a different one then the one that's given on the T.V..
I also want to say that canada could be a Half way house for terrorist but none of the sept 11 terrorist came through Canada and the Little terrorist cell they found in detroit came throug Mexico.., and those Home Grown terrorist that they caught in L.a came from well America.. I bet you there's more terrorist in the states then in canada...
As well i won't say canada can't get hit cause it can happen but if we do it won't be because of our freedom..
Go Habs GO
Whats a Quebecor?, I'm a Canadian who lives in Ontario.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Well I hope Canada never gets attacked and I wish this whole nightmare would just end. Everything is getting totally out of hand. Everyone is blaming everyone else. It just needs to stop and stop now. Do we really want world fucking war III?
Anyway, I was driving home a couple of nights ago with my sister and was stopped at a red light. A guy next to us in a truck asked where a hotel was and told us he was from Ontario. My sister told him he past it and pointed behind us. He said are you sure? We said yes. Now I've no clue why I joined in because I didn't know exactly where the hotel was :rolleyes: . So he turned around and we continue to go forward. Sure enough there was the hotel he was looking so we pointed him in the wrong direction. Yes I feel bad about it. There's a lesson in this story and obviously it's never ever ask Americans for directions...we just don't know
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You can be pro-Israel and want peace and no more loss of life. You can be pro-Lebanon and want peace and no more loss of life. I do not see how you can be pro-Hezbollah and say you want peace.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Depends on your perception of Hizbullah. I've literally asked a dozen times on these forums for someone to prove that Hizbullah uses "human shields" and I've yet to get a response. Or at least the thread dies shortly after and is lost inside the memory-hole of the moving train.
No the Pro-Israel bunch who actually want peace should join up with the pro-Lebanon bunch...since this march was to condone fighting on both sides it seems to represent more of a peaceful resolution than those of the pro-Israel side....
However there are those in the Pro-Israel side that support current & future military action which therefore is pro-war regardless of what you believe and that is not acceptable in my book...they belong in the same boat as the Pro-Hezbollah bunch.....
But I will agree that not all Pro-Israel are for the war.....but it remains a fact that there plight is enlightened more in the media than those of Pro-Lebanon and the National Post article is proof of that....
correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't those israeli tanks and troops crossing the border into lebanon?? that's not very peaceful.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
They are not the Lebanon army, nor do they represent Lebanon in any way. They are not fighting a civil war in Lebanon so they cannot be viewed as rebels. They attack other country(s) to further their own agenda. They are terrorists.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Yeah and not pro-war either.....:rolleyes:
I really don't know enough about Hizbullah to make any assumptions about them. Didn't the Israeli soldiers cross over into southern lebanon and then run back to Israel before being captured? Kind of reminds me of LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin. If you can't prove that they use "human shields" than maybe their huminatarian projects, like hospitals and schools are for good and not bad. But I guess Fox dictates your perspective.
You keep harping about this "human shield" thing, this is onconsequential to them being a terrorist organization.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
They did get voted into Parliament so I guess they do represent some part of the country....
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Wasn't trying to argue just wanted to point that out....
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Well at least you trust the and believe the terrorist.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I agree 100%, and I'll always back america and isreal, because if i'm picking sides thats my side.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Well, clearly by now our terms and labels don't fully apply to other civilizations. As an example, many of us would call Israel's actions "violation of humanitarian law" but Israel calls it "defense".
Obviously what we call a "terrorist" doesn't apply to places like Lebanon and groups like Hizbullah. It was really easy for you to be conditioned to using this term "terrorist" so widely and vaguely. What you are saying is that "Organized Crime" is "terrorism". Why don't we just call them Organized Criminals then? Because they have a political agenda?
Sorry i just don't understand your question... what i mean in the post you quoted, is that Canada do not support terrorism, as you said in your previous post, or as it's said recently in many newspapers (although they like using Quebec more than Canada). Specially since you base that point of view of "Canada support terrorism" on a rally where there were a dozen (i really throw a random number) of Hezbollah flags, then it's your interpretation problem, Canada is not a terrorist friend, or doesn't support terrorism. Sorry i fail to see how it has something to with international view or even with Stephen Harper lack of leadership on the international level.
I hope Canada is not painted in international medias as terrorist friend because some Quebec separatist group went to a rally where there were some Hezbollah flags... hehe or maybe it will get there soon if the spinning goes on with this kind of agenda... which is why there's a need for more protest with more people, if it brings some awareness, then great, i don't care about the angle it takes, but i do the only thing i can do to oppose this war, walk in the streets, if some Israel ambassador or lobby succeed at making these protest illegal, then it's a huge lost for Canada, but i don't think we'll get to this. Hezbollah flags are not welcome, but you can't paint everyone and a whole country base on this small group of peoples, i hope i make my point clear.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Still cannot argue that fact we never have been attacked...must be doing something right.
Lay off the steroids
according to your argument ("But the second they fire a single bullet in aggression they maintain their terrorist label) , Israel Defense Forces (in Lebanon) and the USArmy (in Iraq) are terrorist then. Not saying Hezbollah are not, but just blaming then won't solve anything...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
yeah... or fuck yeah, like a hockey game, pick your side and cheer...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
watch out with that, cause if an attack occur, it will be the fault of the Liberals and Socialist and terrorist friend, it will be all Liberals fault, it will be Trudeau's fault...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Ah I see, so Nations that commit war crimes are "Sovereign Nations Defending" and resistance factions that commit war crimes are "Terrorists"
I think I understand your distinction now. It's just ignorant, imo.
no problem with that, no problem at all. But criminals are criminals, in the end (or in the future) state criminal should be punished, that should be part of a UN reform... and i don't know who inflicted the more terror in their respective ground of operation, state sponsored army or the terrorist group... i believe they should all be condemn, war crimes is not exclusive to terrorist or dictators.
But anyway, those are semantic (first time i use this word, i hope it fit
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
why i said in the future, future reform... agree...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Whats a Quebecor?, I'm a Canadian who lives in Ontario.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Anyway, I was driving home a couple of nights ago with my sister and was stopped at a red light. A guy next to us in a truck asked where a hotel was and told us he was from Ontario. My sister told him he past it and pointed behind us. He said are you sure? We said yes. Now I've no clue why I joined in because I didn't know exactly where the hotel was :rolleyes: . So he turned around and we continue to go forward. Sure enough there was the hotel he was looking so we pointed him in the wrong direction. Yes I feel bad about it. There's a lesson in this story and obviously it's never ever ask Americans for directions...we just don't know