I agree on what everyones feelings are towards the mistreatment of the people. I just do not agree with the people that take advantage and claim to be Native American and get off scott free. That is where my stance is, it is not geered towards all Native Americans.
I agree with you on that point. But it's going to happen with every thing that's geared towards trying to help people. I don't think the people who are actually being helped by casino revenue and the casino's presence should suffer because certain people are taking advantage of certain aspects of that situation.
As of today Ohio is Casino free. But there is an issue on the ballot that would allow an OUT of State tribe to operate a casino in Ohio and they are claiming that they WOULD be paying taxes to the state.Bunch of people jumping on this on both sides. Purely GREED driven. Gambling can easily be a problem for people looking for the big SCORE.
Whole lot wrong in this country driven by I GOTTA GET MINE! instead how can I help the situation.
Have a lotta respect for the beliefs of Native peoples regarding The societal treatment of each other. But with HUMANS period it seems that we see more of the baser instincts come into play as oppossed to the helpful spirit of the world.Not that I don't see that spirit but I think we more often than not focus on the negative/problem instead working toward a solution.
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Culture doesn't put food on the table. (Well, it did - until the land used to grow that food was taken away.)
Have you ever been to a reservation?
So there are no other means other than Gambling, nothing else they could have done. Not in a long time.
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So there are no other means other than Gambling, nothing else they could have done. Not in a long time.
Well some reservations are desperately poor. I don't think most Americans really have any concept of the situation. (When I've talked about it in other threads, people act like I'm living on another planet or something.) I can't begrudge anyone's attempt to provide for their people when they so badly need it. As I've said before, I think the more important question to ask is why some tribes feel the need to resort to casinos, which are arguably bad for native communities/cultures.
Regardless of the prudence of tribal leaders in opening casinos, I think the tax issue is completely trivial.
But I'm confused - are you saying they should pay taxes or that they shouldn't open casinos at all? And what is your suggestion for an alternative way to build up tribal economies?
Well some reservations are desperately poor. I don't think most Americans really have any concept of the situation. (When I've talked about it in other threads, people act like I'm living on another planet or something.) I can't begrudge anyone's attempt to provide for their people when they so badly need it. As I've said before, I think the more important question to ask is why some tribes feel the need to resort to casinos, which are arguably bad for native communities/cultures.
Regardless of the prudence of tribal leaders in opening casinos, I think the tax issue is completely trivial.
But I'm confused - are you saying they should pay taxes or that they shouldn't open casinos at all? And what is your suggestion for an alternative way to build up tribal economies?
Pay taxes on Casinos.
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08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Harvard has upwards of $130 billion dollar endowment (money in the bank) yet their tuition goes up every year. It costs almost $40,000/year to attend Harvard. No matter how much money they get, the tuition will never go down. Now, I don't know about every university in this country, but I'm guessing schools like Princeton, Yale, Stanford, and Brown have endowments in and around this number. If anything, they can at least make a dent in trying to turn around this economical crisis.
Yes, as far as state budgets go, that would probably be even more profitable than hitting up the casinos.
The problem with endowments, however, is that they are legally earmarked by their donors for a specific purpose. Long-standing laws would have to be overturned to accomplish that one. Most of the donors are probably no longer with us, so permission could not be granted by them.
That's a great idea, though. Never heard of that one.
Our nation has billions of dollars worth of minerals, natural gas, hydrothermal energy and forest resources. (Environmentally responsible
use of course!) Native Americans have never been compensated for
even a small fraction of this. The county where I reside in Colorado has
produced more gold than the Alaska and California gold rushes combined
with more deposits that were never touched by underground mining 100
years ago. As far as I know, no local Native Americans were ever
recompensed anything.
if only roxanne dunbar ortiz could have had her way. really the amerindians should sue white house at the hague or something. its bad enough to have committed the worst crime in human history, its worse if there is no penalty or compensation for it.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
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Leave the Native Americans alone. They've suffered enough over the years. Instead, start taxing the Catholic church on their land. That should be enough to clear more than half the national debt. Want a surplus in the economy? Start taxing universities in this country on their land. If you want universal healthcare for every American, then you can start taxing these institutions on their fiscal year income. All economical problems would be solved .
also start taxing companies which have private jets for their ceos and golf courses in their backyard.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
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Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
I just do not agree with the people that take advantage and claim to be Native American and get off scott free. That is where my stance is, it is not geered towards all Native Americans.
then towards who??
the descandants of custer and cortez??
and how to you suggest they be compensated if not by tax holidays???
I have faced it, A life wasted...
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Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
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if only roxanne dunbar ortiz could have had her way. really the amerindians should sue white house at the hague or something. its bad enough to have committed the worst crime in human history, its worse if there is no penalty or compensation for it.
And it's even worse when we demand that they compensate us!
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I agree with you on that point. But it's going to happen with every thing that's geared towards trying to help people. I don't think the people who are actually being helped by casino revenue and the casino's presence should suffer because certain people are taking advantage of certain aspects of that situation.
Whole lot wrong in this country driven by I GOTTA GET MINE! instead how can I help the situation.
Have a lotta respect for the beliefs of Native peoples regarding The societal treatment of each other. But with HUMANS period it seems that we see more of the baser instincts come into play as oppossed to the helpful spirit of the world.Not that I don't see that spirit but I think we more often than not focus on the negative/problem instead working toward a solution.
All of that begins at home within ourselves.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Culture doesn't put food on the table. (Well, it did - until the land used to grow that food was taken away.)
Have you ever been to a reservation?
So there are no other means other than Gambling, nothing else they could have done. Not in a long time.
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Well some reservations are desperately poor. I don't think most Americans really have any concept of the situation. (When I've talked about it in other threads, people act like I'm living on another planet or something.) I can't begrudge anyone's attempt to provide for their people when they so badly need it. As I've said before, I think the more important question to ask is why some tribes feel the need to resort to casinos, which are arguably bad for native communities/cultures.
Regardless of the prudence of tribal leaders in opening casinos, I think the tax issue is completely trivial.
But I'm confused - are you saying they should pay taxes or that they shouldn't open casinos at all? And what is your suggestion for an alternative way to build up tribal economies?
Pay taxes on Casinos.
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Oh, well since you put it that way, I'm convinced! :rolleyes:
Yes, as far as state budgets go, that would probably be even more profitable than hitting up the casinos.
The problem with endowments, however, is that they are legally earmarked by their donors for a specific purpose. Long-standing laws would have to be overturned to accomplish that one. Most of the donors are probably no longer with us, so permission could not be granted by them.
That's a great idea, though. Never heard of that one.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
the descandants of custer and cortez??
and how to you suggest they be compensated if not by tax holidays???
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
And it's even worse when we demand that they compensate us!