Native Amricans

Dirtie_Frank

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

Commy

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

do they use public services? after we stole their land do we police it?


every casino I go too has better roads than public roads surrounding the area, leading me to believe they pay for that shit themselves. they seem to be doing just fine, why make them pay for shit they want nothing to do with?

Dirtie_Frank

Commy wrote:

do they use public services? after we stole their land do we police it?


every casino I go too has better roads than public roads surrounding the area, leading me to believe they pay for that shit themselves. they seem to be doing just fine, why make them pay for shit they want nothing to do with?

Most of the owners or whatever are not even 100% NA. With that thought if I am 1/4 African do should I get affirmative action?

Commy

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Most of the owners or whatever are not even 100% NA. With that thought if I am 1/4 African do should I get affirmative action?

maybe a 1/4 of affirmatifve action, since your only having to deal with a 1/4 of the discrimination.

IndianSummer

it takes a very spineless person to grudge native americans whatever little positive discrimination they get, given what has happened to them in the last 3 centuries. to my mind the annexation of the "new world" is the greatest crime in human history.

Commy

IndianSummer wrote:

it takes a very spineless person to grudge native americans whatever little positive discrimination they get, given what has happened to them in the last 3 centuries. to my mind the annexation of the "new world" is the greatest crime in human history.

yeah, our country was founded on genocide. Hard to move on from that.

sponger

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

I am so glad this view represents an insignificant minority.

j-bug

i was about ready to get on my high horse with this but i'm glad that people see passed it.

Dirtie_Frank

I do not agree I have heard the argument and was wanting opinions. Maybe is hould have written that in my original post also after some research.

Frivolous tax returns; “Native American Treaty.” This ruling emphasizes to taxpayers, promoters, and return preparers that there is no right to exemption from federal income tax for Native Americans under an unspecified “Native American Treaty.” Any return position based on an unspecified “Native American Treaty” has no merit and is frivolous. As a general rule, Native Americans are subject to federal income tax just like every other American

IndianSummer

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

As a general rule, Native Americans are subject to federal income tax just like every other American

no. its not fun being rendered a 4th class citizen in the land of your forefathers and then having to pay tax for it.

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Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

Perhaps a better question to ask ourselves is why reservations feel the need to open these casinos in the first place.

IndianSummer

sponger wrote:

I am so glad this view represents an insignificant minority.

haha... i am glad too.

melodious

I think the o'jays sang that song!!! money, money, money...

In truth, there are several reservations here...I do not think enough dollars could compensate for the loss of culture and molestation of land.

expectorant

Our nation has billions of dollars worth of minerals, natural gas,
hydrothermal energy and forest resources. (Environmentally responsible
use of course!) Native Americans have never been compensated for
even a small fraction of this. The county where I reside in Colorado has
produced more gold than the Alaska and California gold rushes combined
with more deposits that were never touched by underground mining 100
years ago. As far as I know, no local Native Americans were ever
recompensed anything. Anyone who wastes their money gambling
shouldn't be worried about who gets it anyway.

melodious

+ +

gambling isn't that bad when we look at an entire spectrum of such a word..

we have to take some risks, but I do understand and appreciate your specific terms...

peace...

good sunday, to all..

love, love, love.

Strangest Tribe

http://www.coyotescorner.com/tshirts-homeland_security.htm

youngster

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

Leave the Native Americans alone. They've suffered enough over the years. Instead, start taxing the Catholic church on their land. That should be enough to clear more than half the national debt. Want a surplus in the economy? Start taxing universities in this country on their land. If you want universal healthcare for every American, then you can start taxing these institutions on their fiscal year income. All economical problems would be solved .

musicismylife78

iiiii

sponger

cropduster82 wrote:

Start taxing universities in this country on their land.

Don't most universities really heavily on state and federal subsidies? Doesn't make much sense to me to tax institutions that are already dependant on subsidies.

If anything, tuitions will go up, making it even harder to pay one's way through school. That will lead to more grants and loans from the government.

I'm just not sure how taxing universities is any kind of a solution. That is unless you mean private universities. But are there that many in this country?

youngster

sponger wrote:

Don't most universities really heavily on state and federal subsidies? Doesn't make much sense to me to tax institutions that are already dependant on subsidies.

If anything, tuitions will go up, making it even harder to pay one's way through school. That will lead to more grants and loans from the government.

I'm just not sure how taxing universities is any kind of a solution. That is unless you mean private universities. But are there that many in this country?

I was talking more specifically about colleges like Harvard and MIT. I'm being geographically specific because I work in Cambridge MA in and around these two schools. The two universities combined own THOUSANDS of acres of land in this city. With the tax rate in MA being so high, I would think these schools would be able to contribute to the economy. Every neighbor around these schools have to pay taxes, but the school property and buildings are exempt. Harvard has upwards of $130 billion dollar endowment (money in the bank) yet their tuition goes up every year. It costs almost $40,000/year to attend Harvard. No matter how much money they get, the tuition will never go down. Now, I don't know about every university in this country, but I'm guessing schools like Princeton, Yale, Stanford, and Brown have endowments in and around this number. If anything, they can at least make a dent in trying to turn around this economical crisis.

rigneyclan

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

Are you Fucking kidding me????

Native Americans don't owe the US anything

Dirtie_Frank

rigneyclan wrote:

Are you Fucking kidding me????

Native Americans don't owe the US anything

WHy is that? Because of something that happend close to 100-200 years ago. If they do not have to contribute then what the hell African Americans should not have to either. I mean they were brought here against their own will. So free taxes for them. While I am at it since I am Polish and the Germans killed so many Polsih people I want some retribution too.

Dirtie_Frank

If they were truely rich with their culture then there should be no casinos to mention. I do not think Crazy Horse had a poker table in his teepee.

ToadJode

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

WHy is that? Because of something that happend close to 100-200 years ago. If they do not have to contribute then what the hell African Americans should not have to either. I mean they were brought here against their own will. So free taxes for them. While I am at it since I am Polish and the Germans killed so many Polsih people I want some retribution too.

Then I would suggest going back to Poland and complaining about it there. That had nothing to do with the US.

Dirtie_Frank

ToadJode wrote:

Then I would suggest going back to Poland and complaining about it there. That had nothing to do with the US.

You are missing my point. I care deeply what happend in Poland, but what I am trying to get at it is time to move on. I know what happened to all the tribes was wrong but what are we going to do give back the land and rejoin England. All I am saying is if this was about culture there would be no such things as these Casinos.

Dirtie_Frank

From Wikipedia, I know, not a great source.

This is a good thing. I hope this part flurishes.

Initially there was hope that tribe-operated casinos would provide a source of income for Native American communities and aid ongoing reservation economic development. Many tribal governments have seen substantial improvements in their ability to provide public services to their members, building schools, making infrastructural improvements, and shoring up the loss of native traditions.


This is what I think is BS.

Tribal gaming operations have not been without controversy, however. A small number of tribes have been able to distribute large per-capita payments, generating considerable public attention. Others describe examples of small groups of people with dubious Native American heritage who have been able to gain federal recognition for the sole purpose of establishing a tax-exempt casino.[citation needed] In addition, some studies suggest that the presence of gambling establishments on reservations has led to an increase in the rate of compulsive gambling on reservations.[citation needed] Additionally, the national expansion of Indian Gaming has led to a practice critics call reservation shopping.[1] This term describes tribes that, with the backing of casino investors, attempt to locate a casino out of their indigenous homeland, usually near a large urban center. However, although authorized by the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, only three such "off-reservation" casinos have been built to date.

know1

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

When is enough enough with no taxes being paid by the casinos on the reservation? I just want to know everyones opinion. I think that it is time these casinos start paying taxes and contributing. Before someone goes off and says we took their land,etc... These are mullti-billion corporations that do not contribute any tax dollars. It seems like lots of people want to tax corporations why not them too?

Why do people worry/whine/complain about others not paying taxes?

What we should be whining and complaining about is wasted government spending. I applaud entities that are legally paying less taxes.

Every call for more taxes by anyone else should be accompanied by a specific statement of what those monies should be used for. Otherwise, it's invalid.

Vedderlution_Baby

Well, how much time is enough to forget about the systematic extermination of a group of people carried out for many years that included starvation, chemical warfare, mass killings, and concentration camps?

Dirtie_Frank

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Well, how much time is enough to forget about the systematic extermination of a group of people carried out for many years that included starvation, chemical warfare, mass killings, and concentration camps?

Exactly when is enough, enough! When you say Chemical Warfare do you mean disease? If not explain please.

Vedderlution_Baby

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Exactly when is enough, enough! When you say Chemical Warfare do you mean disease? If not explain please.

Well, I personally don't believe that there has been enough time to allow wounds so deep enough time to heal. So we disagree on that issue.


But with the chemical warfare...

People took advantage of their knowledge that native americans had not developed sufficient immunities to deal with european diseases and used that to their advantage, purposely infecting native americans with disease they knew would kill them. Not to say that every native american killed by disease was due to negative intentions, but it happened.


And I chose the wrong word. I should've used biological warfare rather than chemical.

Dirtie_Frank

I agree on what everyones feelings are towards the mistreatment of the people. I just do not agree with the people that take advantage and claim to be Native American and get off scott free. That is where my stance is, it is not geered towards all Native Americans.