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Well... i WANT the Neo-Nazis and the K.K.K. members to speak out... so I can avoid their asses. The worst thing is to have them driven underground to the point where you don't know who your are talking to.
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Many people on this board love other people from other countries just as much as they love Americans. That also is not love of country.
please tell me im not the only one who caught this gem!
tell me, friend, where in the bible or catholic doctrine you hold so dear does it say that americans deserve to be loved more than, say, israelis? or romans? i might be way off, but as i recall, jesus said something about loving EVERYONE.
God ....are you there...forgiving my sins... without me?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
please tell me im not the only one who caught this gem!
tell me, friend, where in the bible or catholic doctrine you hold so dear does it say that americans deserve to be loved more than, say, israelis? or romans? i might be way off, but as i recall, jesus said something about loving EVERYONE.
for the same reason you like your personal best friend more then me. thats because you dont know me.
same feelings apply, on a different level, when it comes to foreigners. I have more "love" for the people that grew up in my neighborhoods, in my area, in my country then I do for people who arent from my country.
thats not to say I dont have some "love" for all people.
for the same reason you like your personal best friend more then me. thats because you dont know me.
same feelings apply, on a different level, when it comes to foreigners. I have more "love" for the people that grew up in my neighborhoods, in my area, in my country then I do for people who arent from my country.
thats not to say I dont have some "love" for all people.
dont take it so literal
that's still bullshit man. i dont relate any more to someone from texas than i someone from canada or puerto rico. i dont know anyone in texas. what the fuck do i care? if my best friend was a serial murderer, would i turn a blind eye just becos i know him better than the victims? come on. i dont give my love based on ridiculous and arbitrary groupings like being from the same state. you have to earn my love and respect. you dont get it just for being born in the right region of the world.
please tell me im not the only one who caught this gem!
tell me, friend, where in the bible or catholic doctrine you hold so dear does it say that americans deserve to be loved more than, say, israelis? or romans? i might be way off, but as i recall, jesus said something about loving EVERYONE.
I was referring to philia love, not agape love.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
that's still bullshit man. i dont relate any more to someone from texas than i someone from canada or puerto rico. i dont know anyone in texas. what the fuck do i care? if my best friend was a serial murderer, would i turn a blind eye just becos i know him better than the victims? come on. i dont give my love based on ridiculous and arbitrary groupings like being from the same state. you have to earn my love and respect. you dont get it just for being born in the right region of the world.
This is exactly what is wrong with america. Americans used to have philia love for one another because they felt a stronger community with one another.
We used to have shared experiences as Americans that no one else in the world had. Now people care more about the experiences of foreigners to the people living next door to them. THAT'S how a globalist company can ship American jobs away to a foreign country: because they don't give a shit about their nation - they care about money more.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
for the same reason you like your personal best friend more then me. thats because you dont know me.
same feelings apply, on a different level, when it comes to foreigners. I have more "love" for the people that grew up in my neighborhoods, in my area, in my country then I do for people who arent from my country.
thats not to say I dont have some "love" for all people.
dont take it so literal
But why would you love americans you've never met more than anyone else you've also never met?
People are people and I embrace humanity as a whole. Those who oppress, murder, lie and steal...I have a problem with be it a Nazi or a Neocon...neither mean more to me than the other and neither will be excused of their actions simply because they are American. If you don't like being compared to Nazis, don't justify treating other groups of people as sub-human as the Nazis did. If this were the 1940's then we would all be speaking out about the actrocities of that time. But this is 2007 and my country is the aggressor this go round. I will not put my value of humanity under my sense of pride in a country I happen to have been born in. For me, life will always come before any rationalization used to put an o.k. on murdering people.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If a girl says she just wants philia....then philia her up...
If she wants agape...well that's like some bondage porn with large toys or something.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
But why would you love americans you've never met more than anyone else you've also never met?
People are people and I embrace humanity as a whole. Those who oppress, murder, lie and steal...I have a problem with be it a Nazi or a Neocon...neither mean more to me than the other and neither will be excused of their actions simply because they are American. If you don't like being compared to Nazis, don't justify treating other groups of people as sub-human as the Nazis did. If this were the 1940's then we would all be speaking out about the actrocities of that time. But this is 2007 and my country is the aggressor this go round. I will not put my value of humanity under my sense of pride in a country I happen to have been born in. For me, life will always come before any rationalization used to put an o.k. on murdering people.
Americans have shared experiences, whether they know one another or not.
We listen to the same music, drive the same cars, speak the same language (hopefully), work in the same towns, read the same newspapers, talk about the same sports teams...etc etc etc
The list goes on and on. When you share these commonalities with other people, it makes them closer to your kin than if you don't.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
we were all united. a disastrous course of foreign policy that added to the deaths america suffered on 9/11 has divided us. i very happy to be an american. that does not mean i agree with it's current direction or its leadership.
it is also incredibly ironic that you point to free speech as a great thing about america and then ask us not to use it.
no where did I say not to use your first amendment right I just said think before you act.
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Americans have shared experiences, whether they know one another or not.
We listen to the same music, drive the same cars, speak the same language (hopefully), work in the same towns, read the same newspapers, talk about the same sports teams...etc etc etc
The list goes on and on. When you share these commonalities with other people, it makes them closer to your kin than if you don't.
People share interests all over the world and many of those interests run a bit depper than reading the same shitty newspapers...you know like a love for humanity, human rights, peace, a love of nature and the world around us, a love of the animals who inhabit ths planet, music, art, film, literature....so many of these are passionate interests which are not bound by borders.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
This is exactly what is wrong with america. Americans used to have philia love for one another because they felt a stronger community with one another.
We used to have shared experiences as Americans that no one else in the world had. Now people care more about the experiences of foreigners to the people living next door to them. THAT'S how a globalist company can ship American jobs away to a foreign country: because they don't give a shit about their nation - they care about money more.
sorry to be the one to break it to you, but YOU are the one responsible for that. the party you so blindly worship is the one selling out america for bigger profits. while they distract you with the shiny ball of homos and abortion to get elected (saying it's our common values), once in office they ignore your precious moral issues to enact policies on behalf of the greedy and wealthy. these people don't give a shit about their nation, its people, other people, foreign people, american people, or anyone but their stockbroker. yet you keep falling for it. america is rotting from avarice and you're still worried about whether 2 gay people can have a union that allows them to share benefits and make medical decisions on each other's behalf.
dont tell me my disdain of george bush is the problem with this country. it is george bush and his above-it-all friends who are destroying the country.
im quite familiar with those terms. i still don't see why some new york stockbroker or san francisco hippy is more deserving of my brotherly love than a spanish restaurateur.
Nah, that's not what this is about. Questioning the president is good and he didn't say that isn't patriotic. He said comparing us to shithole fascist countries isn't patriotic and I agree.
Many people on this board don't love America for what it is, though, they love it for what they want it to become: a socialist land. Notice, not a "country," but a land. That's not love of country. Many people on this board love other people from other countries just as much as they love Americans. That also is not love of country. When you love your country, you love the people as though they are your family.
They view American Exceptionalism as a foolish doctrine that causes us to be proud of nothing.
Wait, so I'm supposed to automatically like someone cause they're from the same country as me? So what if someone who I completely disagree with and just dont like is an american and someone who i really get along with and mesh with is from another country? Cause I like the american less I don't love my country?
Wait, so I'm supposed to automatically like someone cause they're from the same country as me? So what if someone who I completely disagree with and just dont like is an american and someone who i really get along with and mesh with is from another country? Cause I like the american less I don't love my country?
he's not talking about individuals. more as a whole. or thats how I see it
im quite familiar with those terms. i still don't see why some new york stockbroker or san francisco hippy is more deserving of my brotherly love than a spanish restaurateur.
because that stockbroker or hippy, and the families of the stocker broker and the hippy have contributed in making this country great. what has a spanish restaurateur, living and working in spain, done for america?
he's not talking about individuals. more as a whole. or thats how I see it
Why should I love americans as though they are my family though? especially if i can relate to a guy that happens to live in england or canada better than any other american. I'm supposed to automatically hold americans higher than anyone else in the world. That's not going to happen. Everyone stands on a single piece of ground with me, and then they work from there. Personally i dont get the "america is fucking better than anything and fuck you if you dont think so"
because that stockbroker or hippy, and the families of the stocker broker and the hippy have contributed in making this country great. what has a spanish restaurateur, living and working in spain, done for america?
i dont know this. it's possible the stockbroker has done terrible things to america like engineer the loss of many jobs or the hippy is a lowlife drug dealer. the spanish restaurateur could use his profits to feed the hungry. so who should i appreciate more? personally, their actions as a human mean far more to me than the fact that they live here. i dont give a flying fuck where you're from. it's what you do that interests me. like i said, you dont get my love and respect by default becos of where you were born. you earn it.
why should my automatic assumption be that if you're foreign you're shady and if you're american you're wonderful?
i dont know this. it's possible the stockbroker has done terrible things to america like engineer the loss of many jobs or the hippy is a lowlife drug dealer. the spanish restaurateur could use his profits to feed the hungry. so who should i appreciate more? personally, their actions as a human mean far more to me than the fact that they live here. i dont give a flying fuck where you're from. it's what you do that interests me. like i said, you dont get my love and respect by default becos of where you were born. you earn it.
why should my automatic assumption be that if you're foreign you're shady and if you're american you're wonderful?
same thing as i was trying to say. i like you. are you american?
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Always will love America, my daughter was born here. However, I taught her to never be afraid to question our authoritative figureheads.
I can remember several months after 9/II a woman horned me down because I had another country's flag in my truck. She said, "why do you have "that" flag, where's America's flag?" I calmy turned to her and said, "I like this flag and at this time I have a right to carry "this" flag". She scorned and scuffed off not liking what I said, I gather she wanted a more distasteful reaction.
I was not going to follow the crowd with at the time our perceived Patriotism. For the last 2 years, I now proudly wear in my truck my small stick American Flag as our perceived Patriotism wanes in America today.
Peace
Earle
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because that stockbroker or hippy, and the families of the stocker broker and the hippy have contributed in making this country great. what has a spanish restaurateur, living and working in spain, done for america?
What has Donald Rumsfeld done for America? Or Ted Bundy? Or Joseph McCarthy?
'New world order'. 'pre-emptive strike', allowing, or creating 9/11 to happen - just like the Nazis burnt down the Reichstag in 1933, the belief that they are on a messianic crusade...I could go on and on.
yeeha...hell yes! so sure, it stands to reason...i hate america too.
:rolleyes:
seriously, i can't even take the question seriously.
so yea, i don't hate america...or americans, cause yea..i don't hate myself. my father's family sacrificed soo much to start over here...my father fought in WW2......so, i love my country....but i love the rest of the world too. it's a BIG place, so why limit myself?
i still after all these years fail to see how my freedom is:
1. threatened
2. needs to be defended by invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
nobody has ever been able to explain this to me.
the greatest threat to my freedom and my way of life is the current president and his cronies. and unfortunately, no soldier can defend my freedom from them. attorneys and congressmen can not defend my freedom from them. they are above the law and do as they please. and that to me is dangerous.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Sounds like my kind of party!
Well... i WANT the Neo-Nazis and the K.K.K. members to speak out... so I can avoid their asses. The worst thing is to have them driven underground to the point where you don't know who your are talking to.
Hail, Hail!!!
please tell me im not the only one who caught this gem!
tell me, friend, where in the bible or catholic doctrine you hold so dear does it say that americans deserve to be loved more than, say, israelis? or romans? i might be way off, but as i recall, jesus said something about loving EVERYONE.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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for the same reason you like your personal best friend more then me. thats because you dont know me.
same feelings apply, on a different level, when it comes to foreigners. I have more "love" for the people that grew up in my neighborhoods, in my area, in my country then I do for people who arent from my country.
thats not to say I dont have some "love" for all people.
dont take it so literal
that's still bullshit man. i dont relate any more to someone from texas than i someone from canada or puerto rico. i dont know anyone in texas. what the fuck do i care? if my best friend was a serial murderer, would i turn a blind eye just becos i know him better than the victims? come on. i dont give my love based on ridiculous and arbitrary groupings like being from the same state. you have to earn my love and respect. you dont get it just for being born in the right region of the world.
I was referring to philia love, not agape love.
-Enoch Powell
what the hell difference does it make? do americans have greater inherent value that they automatically deserve more value than other human beings?
We used to have shared experiences as Americans that no one else in the world had. Now people care more about the experiences of foreigners to the people living next door to them. THAT'S how a globalist company can ship American jobs away to a foreign country: because they don't give a shit about their nation - they care about money more.
-Enoch Powell
You apparently don't know the definition of these different types of love.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agap%C4%93
-Enoch Powell
But why would you love americans you've never met more than anyone else you've also never met?
People are people and I embrace humanity as a whole. Those who oppress, murder, lie and steal...I have a problem with be it a Nazi or a Neocon...neither mean more to me than the other and neither will be excused of their actions simply because they are American. If you don't like being compared to Nazis, don't justify treating other groups of people as sub-human as the Nazis did. If this were the 1940's then we would all be speaking out about the actrocities of that time. But this is 2007 and my country is the aggressor this go round. I will not put my value of humanity under my sense of pride in a country I happen to have been born in. For me, life will always come before any rationalization used to put an o.k. on murdering people.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If she wants agape...well that's like some bondage porn with large toys or something.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Americans have shared experiences, whether they know one another or not.
We listen to the same music, drive the same cars, speak the same language (hopefully), work in the same towns, read the same newspapers, talk about the same sports teams...etc etc etc
The list goes on and on. When you share these commonalities with other people, it makes them closer to your kin than if you don't.
-Enoch Powell
no where did I say not to use your first amendment right I just said think before you act.
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People share interests all over the world and many of those interests run a bit depper than reading the same shitty newspapers...you know like a love for humanity, human rights, peace, a love of nature and the world around us, a love of the animals who inhabit ths planet, music, art, film, literature....so many of these are passionate interests which are not bound by borders.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
please explain
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sorry to be the one to break it to you, but YOU are the one responsible for that. the party you so blindly worship is the one selling out america for bigger profits. while they distract you with the shiny ball of homos and abortion to get elected (saying it's our common values), once in office they ignore your precious moral issues to enact policies on behalf of the greedy and wealthy. these people don't give a shit about their nation, its people, other people, foreign people, american people, or anyone but their stockbroker. yet you keep falling for it. america is rotting from avarice and you're still worried about whether 2 gay people can have a union that allows them to share benefits and make medical decisions on each other's behalf.
dont tell me my disdain of george bush is the problem with this country. it is george bush and his above-it-all friends who are destroying the country.
im quite familiar with those terms. i still don't see why some new york stockbroker or san francisco hippy is more deserving of my brotherly love than a spanish restaurateur.
Wait, so I'm supposed to automatically like someone cause they're from the same country as me? So what if someone who I completely disagree with and just dont like is an american and someone who i really get along with and mesh with is from another country? Cause I like the american less I don't love my country?
he's not talking about individuals. more as a whole. or thats how I see it
because that stockbroker or hippy, and the families of the stocker broker and the hippy have contributed in making this country great. what has a spanish restaurateur, living and working in spain, done for america?
Why should I love americans as though they are my family though? especially if i can relate to a guy that happens to live in england or canada better than any other american. I'm supposed to automatically hold americans higher than anyone else in the world. That's not going to happen. Everyone stands on a single piece of ground with me, and then they work from there. Personally i dont get the "america is fucking better than anything and fuck you if you dont think so"
i dont know this. it's possible the stockbroker has done terrible things to america like engineer the loss of many jobs or the hippy is a lowlife drug dealer. the spanish restaurateur could use his profits to feed the hungry. so who should i appreciate more? personally, their actions as a human mean far more to me than the fact that they live here. i dont give a flying fuck where you're from. it's what you do that interests me. like i said, you dont get my love and respect by default becos of where you were born. you earn it.
why should my automatic assumption be that if you're foreign you're shady and if you're american you're wonderful?
same thing as i was trying to say. i like you. are you american?
I can remember several months after 9/II a woman horned me down because I had another country's flag in my truck. She said, "why do you have "that" flag, where's America's flag?" I calmy turned to her and said, "I like this flag and at this time I have a right to carry "this" flag". She scorned and scuffed off not liking what I said, I gather she wanted a more distasteful reaction.
I was not going to follow the crowd with at the time our perceived Patriotism. For the last 2 years, I now proudly wear in my truck my small stick American Flag as our perceived Patriotism wanes in America today.
Peace
Earle
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
What has Donald Rumsfeld done for America? Or Ted Bundy? Or Joseph McCarthy?
'New world order'. 'pre-emptive strike', allowing, or creating 9/11 to happen - just like the Nazis burnt down the Reichstag in 1933, the belief that they are on a messianic crusade...I could go on and on.
yeeha...hell yes! so sure, it stands to reason...i hate america too.
:rolleyes:
seriously, i can't even take the question seriously.
so yea, i don't hate america...or americans, cause yea..i don't hate myself. my father's family sacrificed soo much to start over here...my father fought in WW2......so, i love my country....but i love the rest of the world too. it's a BIG place, so why limit myself?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
1. threatened
2. needs to be defended by invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
nobody has ever been able to explain this to me.
the greatest threat to my freedom and my way of life is the current president and his cronies. and unfortunately, no soldier can defend my freedom from them. attorneys and congressmen can not defend my freedom from them. they are above the law and do as they please. and that to me is dangerous.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."