What happens if a Dem is elected?

catefrances

down_ski wrote:

I find it hard to believe that there was absolutely NO Al queda in Iraq before the US invaded. First off, they are everywhere.....and secondly, why would they come from Other places like Pakistan (where they are safe) too an extremely hostile and patrolled Iraq.

define everywhere?

macgyver06

unsung wrote:

Taxes will increase many multiple times.

Illegal aliens will be rewarded for breaking our laws.

Al-Qaeda will flourish in Iraq since we supposedly will not be there.

is this sarcasm?

Indifference

macgyver06 wrote:

is this sarcasm?

I agree with 2 out of 3.

SilverSeed

unsung wrote:

Taxes will increase many multiple times.

Illegal aliens will be rewarded for breaking our laws.

Al-Qaeda will flourish in Iraq since we supposedly will not be there.

1. You mean the deficit will go down.

2. McCain is for amnesty how is this a consequence of a Dem being elected?

3. You're an idiot.

macgyver06

SilverSeed wrote:

1. You mean the deficit will go down.

2. McCain is for amnesty how is this a consequence of a Dem being elected?

3. You're an idiot.

i like this much better

down_ski

macgyver06 wrote:

i like this much better

Agreed

unsung

SilverSeed wrote:

1. You mean the deficit will go down.

2. McCain is for amnesty how is this a consequence of a Dem being elected?

3. You're an idiot.

1. No I mean we are going to get taxed blind, unless you don't have a job.

2. Illegal aliens should be deported. Who said anything about McCain?

3. I'll be at the Tampa show, say it to my face.

SilverSeed

unsung wrote:

1. No I mean we are going to get taxed blind, unless you don't have a job.

2. Illegal aliens should be deported. Who said anything about McCain?

3. I'll be at the Tampa show, say it to my face.

Haha, your responses are ridiculous. I'll meet you at the nacho cart?

slightofjeff

I will say that I'm keeping my "economic stimulus" refund in the bank ... because I know I'll probably have to pay it back next year in some form or another if a Dem is elected.

I'm actually serious about that.

Kann

unsung wrote:

1. No I mean we are going to get taxed blind, unless you don't have a job.

That maybe true but you should actually view that as a good point :
taxes + cut spending = less deficit. And honestly, right now, I'd be more concerned about loosing deficit than paying more taxes. Inflation is worse than taxes.

DOSW wrote:

My hunch is that these people will never stop bitching, even if America theoretically got on track somehow. Once they actually acknowledge that America is on the right track, they're knocked down to our level of intellect, which is the worst possible fate in their minds. I think it's a superiority thing more than anything else.

Please define what level of criticism do you find acceptable for a poster to stay in the category 'critical of usa politicy' and not fall into the 'america hater' category? Because my hunch is that people like you focus way too much on consistent criticism and forget where the problems really are.

lazymoon13

taxes will be raised.

slightofjeff

How 'bout we just cut spending? Except then the Barack couldn't make good on all the fairy tale promises he's been making ...

Seriously. Raising taxes during an economic slowdown is such a horrendously bad idea I don't even know how anyone reasonable person could consider it with a straight face ...

Its Evolution Baby

slightofjeff wrote:

How 'bout we just cut spending? Except then the Barack couldn't make good on all the fairy tale promises he's been making ...

Seriously. Raising taxes during an economic slowdown is such a horrendously bad idea I don't even know how anyone reasonable person could consider it with a straight face ...

You're right that we need to cut down spending not raise taxes, but the problem now is that Bush had 8 years of lower taxes but higher overall spending which has killed our deficit. Plus hes killed our housing market, stock market, tuition is going up, the dollar is down. I don't think raising taxes is smart either but it doesn't seem like the Government is generating enough money to operate.

I think if we get a democrat in office it will stimulate the economy even if taxes go up. Under Clinton we had the economic boom period of the Silicon Valley, dot com companys etc. I know both of my parents did a lot better in those times. My dad bought two houses and my Mom bought a condo. Then in 2004 the market dried up and my dad lost his job and can't sell his house. My Mom went back to school and now makes 90K a year but still can't afford to own a house in a good location.

I'll take higher taxes with a democrat then lower taxes with a republican anyday. Higher taxes does not mean less wealth if the economy is stimulated.

Its Evolution Baby

Double Post. Internet has gotten slower under Bush too.

Raise my taxes for better Internet.

slightofjeff

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

You're right that we need to cut down spending not raise taxes, but the problem now is that Bush had 8 years of lower taxes but higher overall spending which has killed our deficit. Plus hes killed our housing market, stock market, tuition is going up, the dollar is down. I don't think raising taxes is smart either but it doesn't seem like the Government is generating enough money to operate.

I think if we get a democrat in office it will stimulate the economy even if taxes go up. Under Clinton we had the economic boom period of the Silicon Valley, dot com companys etc. I know both of my parents did a lot better in those times. My dad bought two houses and my Mom bought a condo. Then in 2004 the market dried up and my dad lost his job and can't sell his house. My Mom went back to school and now makes 90K a year but still can't afford to own a house in a good location.

I'll take higher taxes with a democrat then lower taxes with a republican anyday. Higher taxes does not mean less wealth if the economy is stimulated.

Bush killed the housing market and the stock market? Are you kidding? He doesn't have that kind of power.

Clinton was responsible for the dot.com boom? Was he also responsible for the ensuing dot.com bust? He doesn't have that kind of power, either.

The biggest factor in the current economic downturn is the subprime mortgage crisis, which has very little to do with the govt. It has more to do with douchebags taking on loans they couldn't afford, and predatory lenders letting them.

And you'll be hard-pressed to find any evidence of raised taxes stimulating a sluggish economy. It's not going to happen. In fact, it's going to be a disaster.

RainDog

slightofjeff wrote:

And you'll be hard-pressed to find any evidence of raised taxes stimulating a sluggish economy. It's not going to happen. In fact, it's going to be a disaster.

Depends. If the increased tax revenue is used to fund public works projects that employ new workers who then also start paying taxes and buying stuff with their newly disposable income, then it could work. Just ask FDR.

slightofjeff

RainDog wrote:

Depends. If the increased tax revenue is used to fund public works projects that employ new workers who then also start paying taxes and buying stuff with their newly disposable income, then it could work. Just ask FDR.

Also aiding FDR: WWII.

RainDog

slightofjeff wrote:

Also aiding FDR: WWII.

"Also," yes. But we didn't enter WWII until his third term. It was during his first term that unemployment in the country was nearly halved.

Abuskedti

down_ski wrote:

The Pearl Jam Moving train forum will have 90% less traffic because they're will be no bitching!

I enjoy the bitching, McCain '08!

The terrorists win

Its Evolution Baby

slightofjeff wrote:

Also aiding FDR: WWII.

Our economy does usually boom during war time...except for under Bush.

Maybe your right that I can't blame Bush for everything but all I can go on is the personal experiences of the people around me and NOT ONE person is doing better now then under Clinton. NOT ONE without exaggeration.

You can disagree with me but Bush gets the blame imo for that. He is the leader of our nation.

Let's say Bush was running a sports team and bad stuff kept happening. There is no way people would accept the answer that its just a downtime things will recover. Its really the fault of the people who used to be in power not our fault etc. The guy running that team would be fired and would never get another job. (Unless your Isaiah Thomas. He is actually a very good comparison to Bush.)

You have to respond to bad luck and bad situations with solutions that turn things around. I feel Bush hasn't done enough to help the failing economy and giving us $600 in tax rebates is not enough. Though I have no problem cashing that check!