More Americans accept theory of creationism than evolution

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  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    cornnifer wrote:
    In all sincere respect, you've seemed to lose grip on your usually unbiased approach. How is it that an intelligent, credentialed, educated and experienced biologist, physicist, or scientist from any other discipline, whose research, study and interepretation of the current data leads them to support an intelligent design belief simply trying to "muddle the debate" and declare certain things "off limits"?

    Take it from a zoologist that there are no credible people in the biological community arguing against evolution. There is simply no alternative with any explanatory power.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The reason a lot of non religious type see religious types as naive is because the argument always ends in God.. just god...well god...god this...god that....god is the answer to every question you can ever think of....and every question you could never possibly imagine. I'm sure a lot can see where this is going already.

    Really what they are saying is well "just because". Just because.

    "Just because" never really cut it for me, and stopped working in my head altogether somewhere around 12yrs of age. :D

    The reason this religious type sees non-religious types as naive can be demonstrated in this metaphor:

    If we locked you in a sensory proof room for one year (no sound, light, smell, etc.) and then let you out for one second only, could you predict very closely exactly what happened on the earth in the past year?

    How is that any different from humans using the time they've existed to predict what's happened in billions and billions and billions of time prior?

    Or better yet, would a scientist think a survey represented a statistically relevant sample if they only surveyed 1 person out of a billion?
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  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    know1 wrote:
    The reason this religious type sees non-religious types as naive can be demonstrated in this metaphor:

    If we locked you in a sensory proof room for one year (no sound, light, smell, etc.) and then let you out for one second only, could you predict very closely exactly what happened on the earth in the past year?

    How is that any different from humans using the time they've existed to predict what's happened in billions and billions and billions of time prior?

    Or better yet, would a scientist think a survey represented a statistically relevant sample if they only surveyed 1 person out of a billion?

    I am sorry, but that is a poor analogy. Evolution is not about looking at whay we see today and suddenly becoming all knowing. (That would be more akin to a religous experience)

    Evolution is about looking at what we see today, looking at what we see in the fossil record, looking at what we see in the genetic code and looking at what we see in the geological record and tying all of these things together into a theory of the progressive development of life on earth.

    Evolution is the culmination of billions of hours of combined work, studying and comparing numerous fossils, live specimens and DNA. It is the result of similar amounts of time spent using accurate and confirmed dating methods to put this development into a timeline.

    In short, the theory of evolution exists in the somewhat complete state that it is in today because of a lot of hard work. There is no magic, no wild guesses, just good science. It does not at all relate to the analogy you gave above...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    know1 wrote:
    The reason this religious type sees non-religious types as naive can be demonstrated in this metaphor:

    If we locked you in a sensory proof room for one year (no sound, light, smell, etc.) and then let you out for one second only, could you predict very closely exactly what happened on the earth in the past year?

    How is that any different from humans using the time they've existed to predict what's happened in billions and billions and billions of time prior?

    Or better yet, would a scientist think a survey represented a statistically relevant sample if they only surveyed 1 person out of a billion?

    A second is a bit extreme, however in a day science could come so much closer than religion at predicting anything that has happened on earth or will happen than any words in a bible written by the hand of a simple uneducated primitive man.

    Science could show pretty much what the weather was like, how everything grew...heck the list is pretty large. Religion could do essentially zero in the same analogy.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I wonder if this increase is related to the decline in American education and overall intelligence...

    How many Hell Houses they got?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder if this increase is related to the decline in American education and overall intelligence...

    How many Hell Houses they got?

    Not sure about the sources but I think this sums it up...

    http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11638
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    know1 wrote:
    The reason this religious type sees non-religious types as naive can be demonstrated in this metaphor:

    If we locked you in a sensory proof room for one year (no sound, light, smell, etc.) and then let you out for one second only, could you predict very closely exactly what happened on the earth in the past year?

    How is that any different from humans using the time they've existed to predict what's happened in billions and billions and billions of time prior?

    Or better yet, would a scientist think a survey represented a statistically relevant sample if they only surveyed 1 person out of a billion?

    Don't you mean a couple of thousands of years prior? Those early years were the best: no global warming, people lived to be 500 and little puppies rained from the sky.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Not sure about the sources but I think this sums it up...

    http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=11638

    I checked the source

    GALLUP: One-Third of Americans Believe the Bible is Literally True
    High inverse correlation between education and belief in a literal Bible

    Good work!
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    There seems to be some discontinuity of faith when you reference these statistics with the booming porn industry.
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  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There seems to be some discontinuity of faith when you reference these statistics with the booming porn industry.


    There is no eleventh commandment which states "thou shalt not wank."
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    There is no eleventh commandment which states "thou shalt not wank."

    Isn't it covered by Lust? I just thought pr0n was a no-no.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Isn't it covered by Lust? I just thought pr0n was a no-no.

    perhaps this covers it.

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    - leviticus 18:21.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    ...you just don't know which sperm bank he works for.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    perhaps this covers it.

    thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to molech...
    - leviticus 18:21.

    I think G W missed that part...
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    catefrances wrote:
    perhaps this covers it.

    thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to molech...
    - leviticus 18:21.

    What about pass through the kleenex to toilet? :D rofl...

    Gosh...Cate's pulling out those quotes tonight
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    perhaps this covers it.

    thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to molech...
    - leviticus 18:21.

    The molech being the?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    google image search "molech"

    6th image...

    http://www.crystalinks.com/bush_molech.jpg

    ...the world must be ending.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    google image search "molech"

    6th image...

    http://www.crystalinks.com/bush_molech.jpg

    ...the world must be ending.

    "molech" is fruit platter with owl.

    sheesh.
    i'll never remember that.
    Albanian?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    google image search "molech"

    6th image...

    http://www.crystalinks.com/bush_molech.jpg

    ...the world must be ending.

    I just took an interest in Bush's "Horns" salute that many think to be satanic *Cough* Alex *Cough* Jones. And I found out it's a "Hook 'em Horns" salute from a "Longhorns" sports team at the University of Texas.

    http://home.kxan.com/nationalchampiontexaslonghorns/photos/photo12.jpg

    Don't they realize it's also a salute to Molech the goat, considered satanic in Christianity?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    The molech being the?

    molech was a divinity worshipped by the israelites.
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