I just took an interest in Bush's "Horns" salute that many think to be satanic *Cough* Alex *Cough* Jones. And I found out it's a "Hook 'em Horns" salute from a "Longhorns" sports team at the University of Texas.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Note that there is a difference between 'actual word of God to be taken literally' and 'inspired word of God'.
A snip from the Gallup poll: "The analysis of these data shows one demographic variable that is highly related to views of the Bible -- education. The higher the level of education, the less likely the individual is to believe that the Bible is the actual, literal word of God. Even though those with postgraduate educations are much less likely to believe in a literal Bible, the majority of that group do believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, rather than solely a human creation."
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
That gallup poll is very very interesting. This is why if I was religious, I'd be a Mormon. They believe the Bible is inspired by God but it is very imperfect, while the Book of Mormon is a better script of God's will. My gran and gramp are Mormons; they seem like better Chistians than 99% of the Christians I know. That sound like a better religion to me.
In all sincere respect, you've seemed to lose grip on your usually unbiased approach. How is it that an intelligent, credentialed, educated and experienced biologist, physicist, or scientist from any other discipline, whose research, study and interepretation of the current data leads them to support an intelligent design belief simply trying to "muddle the debate" and declare certain things "off limits"? How is it any different than some other scientist who says "we have no idea right now... but some day we will" while declaring the possibility of an intelligent design "off limits"?
Just as any attempt to scientifically PROVE God will fail, so will any attempt to scientifically DISPROVE God. Such (proof or disproof) should not be the goal of any scientist. If one is "naive and stupid" then so is the other.
ID is not an attempt to prove God through science any more than evolution as an origin of the species is a scientific attempt to disprove God.
The last part i simply do not get at all. How are ID and the belief that the world was designed by an intelligence not the same thing? They are exactly the same thing. The former is simply a term used to describe those whose interpretation of current scientific data supports their belief.
Intelligent Design and a belief that the universe was designed by an intelligence is not necessarily the same thing. Over 80% of the U.S. believes in God; roughly half of the U.S. believes in evolution (probably a good bit more than that if you phrase the question right, but that's a different story). Therefore, over half the people who believe in God also believe in evolution. That is believing that we were designed by an intelligence.
Intelligent Design, however, is different (hence the words are capitalized). My example is Irreducible Complexity. A number of books, such as Darwin's Black Box, have been written on this subject. Basically, certain biological traits are far too complex to have evolved on their own because each of the individual components of the trait have no use outside of the trait itself. Therefore, "God did it." Well, if you believe that the universe was created by an intelligence, you already believe "God did it" (He did everything, after all) and continue on with your research into how these complex biological traits evolved. If, on the other hand, you are a proponent of Intelligent Design and Irreducible Complexity, you use the phrase "God did it" as the final answer. You essentially cut of all further research in that direction.
ID is a dressed up version of biblical creationism, and harkens back to the days when we believed that diseases were leveled against a population solely through God's will, usually due to some transgression. See, at the time, humans had no idea what "germs" were. We had no microscopes, no basis for studying these tiny invaders, and anyone who claimed they were sick because creatures too small for the eye to see were crawling all over the inside of their bodies would have been labeled a nutcase. It's simply too difficult to comprehend. God, on the other hand, isn't. And God is vengeful. So often diseases were exacerbated because rather than look for the cause and effect in the physical, factual world, people instead would prostrate before the Lord and beg for forgiveness. Healthy, praying to be kept free of disease, would stand alongside the sick praying to be healed of it. And we all know where that goes.
Intelligent Design is quite different, and far more dangerous, than simply a description of a scientist's belief in God.
molech was a divinity worshipped by the israelites.
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I thought the Molechs were the underground ape people that ate the Eloi in Jules Verne's "The Time Machine". Yeah, I can see why God you be pissed if you banged one of them. http://www.colemanzone.com/images/gp_morlock(4).jpg
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That, to me is just more evidence that america, and therefore the world, is under the control of idiots. . . .
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
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I thought the Molechs were the underground ape people that ate the Eloi in Jules Verne's "The Time Machine". Yeah, I can see why God you be pissed if you banged one of them. http://www.colemanzone.com/images/gp_morlock(4).jpg
I thought Moloch was teh demon who got into the computer system in teh first season of Buffy.
REally, it explained a lot about computers for me !!
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Maybe Bush has Satanized the entire state of Texas via the water supply (nano technology) purely out of nostalgic rhetoric.
I can't believe they don't know that. It's like giving the middle finger obvious. could Texans be that shielded from the rest of the world?
Maybe all of Texas is a cult now.....lol
Strange...very. Ima look it up.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Note that there is a difference between 'actual word of God to be taken literally' and 'inspired word of God'.
A snip from the Gallup poll: "The analysis of these data shows one demographic variable that is highly related to views of the Bible -- education. The higher the level of education, the less likely the individual is to believe that the Bible is the actual, literal word of God. Even though those with postgraduate educations are much less likely to believe in a literal Bible, the majority of that group do believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, rather than solely a human creation."
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
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Intelligent Design, however, is different (hence the words are capitalized). My example is Irreducible Complexity. A number of books, such as Darwin's Black Box, have been written on this subject. Basically, certain biological traits are far too complex to have evolved on their own because each of the individual components of the trait have no use outside of the trait itself. Therefore, "God did it." Well, if you believe that the universe was created by an intelligence, you already believe "God did it" (He did everything, after all) and continue on with your research into how these complex biological traits evolved. If, on the other hand, you are a proponent of Intelligent Design and Irreducible Complexity, you use the phrase "God did it" as the final answer. You essentially cut of all further research in that direction.
ID is a dressed up version of biblical creationism, and harkens back to the days when we believed that diseases were leveled against a population solely through God's will, usually due to some transgression. See, at the time, humans had no idea what "germs" were. We had no microscopes, no basis for studying these tiny invaders, and anyone who claimed they were sick because creatures too small for the eye to see were crawling all over the inside of their bodies would have been labeled a nutcase. It's simply too difficult to comprehend. God, on the other hand, isn't. And God is vengeful. So often diseases were exacerbated because rather than look for the cause and effect in the physical, factual world, people instead would prostrate before the Lord and beg for forgiveness. Healthy, praying to be kept free of disease, would stand alongside the sick praying to be healed of it. And we all know where that goes.
Intelligent Design is quite different, and far more dangerous, than simply a description of a scientist's belief in God.
I thought the Molechs were the underground ape people that ate the Eloi in Jules Verne's "The Time Machine". Yeah, I can see why God you be pissed if you banged one of them.
http://www.colemanzone.com/images/gp_morlock(4).jpg
Hail, Hail!!!
That, to me is just more evidence that america, and therefore the world, is under the control of idiots. . . .
-C Addison
what? the fact that the link doesn't work
I thought Moloch was teh demon who got into the computer system in teh first season of Buffy.
REally, it explained a lot about computers for me !!