Hamid Karzai: No Canada, Please Don't Leave !!

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  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why are you ok with abandoning Afghanistan and potentially allowing the taliban back to power?

    You can only ignore the greater context for so long. When you are by yourselves, fighting endless wars, perhaps the U.S. will finally get it. Other countries aren't going to condone U.S actions by fighting forever in ineffectual wars, or in wars that are not nearly as relevent to them as they are to the U.S..

    Moreover, it isn't just the Taliban. In Afghan., somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country actually support the Taliban. Its hardly just a few hardened terrorists. What the U.S. fails to recognize is that it has lost huge chunks of support in Afghan. and around the Middle East.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Truthmonger wrote:
    You can only ignore the greater context for so long. When you are by yourselves, fighting endless wars, perhaps the U.S. will finally get it. Other countries aren't going to condone U.S actions by fighting forever in ineffectual wars, or in wars that are not nearly as relevent to them as they are to the U.S..

    Moreover, it isn't just the Taliban. In Afghan., somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country actually support the Taliban. Its hardly just a few hardened terrorists. What the U.S. fails to recognize is that it has lost huge chunks of support in Afghan. and around the Middle East.

    just because (a nice made up %) of 33%-50% of people support the taliban doesnt mean it should be allowed.

    good ol taliban...just a small example....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

    Examples of punishments:

    * In October 1996 a woman had the tip of her thumb cut off for wearing nail varnish.[9]

    * In December 1996 Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor.[12]

    * In March 1997 a married woman, from Laghman Province was caught attempting to flee the district with another man. The Islamic tribunal found her guilty of adultery and condemned both her and her lover to death by stoning.[13]

    * In May 1997, 5 female CARE International employees with authorisation from the Ministry of the Interior to conduct research for an emergency feeding programme were forced from their vehicle by members of the religious police. The guards used a public address system to insult and harass the women before striking them with a metal and leather whip over 1.5 meters in length.[3]

    * In 1999, a mother of five was executed in front of 30,000 spectators in Kabul’s Olympic stadium for the murder of her abusive husband. She was imprisoned for 3 years and extensively tortured prior to the execution, yet she refused to plead her innocence in a bid to protect her daughter, reportedly the actual culprit.[14]

    * When a Taliban raid discovered a woman running an informal school in her apartment they beat the children, threw her down a flight of stairs causing her to break her leg, and then imprisoned her. They threatened to publicly stone her family if she didn't sign a declaration of loyalty to the Taliban and its laws




    they follow Sharia Law....just read this.....excuse me for the source.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    just because (a nice made up %) of 33%-50% of people support the taliban doesnt mean it should be allowed.

    good ol taliban...just a small example....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

    Examples of punishments:

    * In October 1996 a woman had the tip of her thumb cut off for wearing nail varnish.[9]

    * In December 1996 Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor.[12]

    * In March 1997 a married woman, from Laghman Province was caught attempting to flee the district with another man. The Islamic tribunal found her guilty of adultery and condemned both her and her lover to death by stoning.[13]

    * In May 1997, 5 female CARE International employees with authorisation from the Ministry of the Interior to conduct research for an emergency feeding programme were forced from their vehicle by members of the religious police. The guards used a public address system to insult and harass the women before striking them with a metal and leather whip over 1.5 meters in length.[3]

    * In 1999, a mother of five was executed in front of 30,000 spectators in Kabul’s Olympic stadium for the murder of her abusive husband. She was imprisoned for 3 years and extensively tortured prior to the execution, yet she refused to plead her innocence in a bid to protect her daughter, reportedly the actual culprit.[14]

    * When a Taliban raid discovered a woman running an informal school in her apartment they beat the children, threw her down a flight of stairs causing her to break her leg, and then imprisoned her. They threatened to publicly stone her family if she didn't sign a declaration of loyalty to the Taliban and its laws




    they follow Sharia Law....just read this.....excuse me for the source.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html


    this is a human rights and religion issue, not a military issue...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    this is a human rights and religion issue, not a military issue...

    what does that even mean?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what does that even mean?

    Lol are you serious?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what does that even mean?

    that means there are routes and actions that can take place without military action being involved...

    dictating change while pointing a gun is not the only way to get things done...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Lol are you serious?

    LOL yes im serious. with sharia law, religion and military go hand in hard. you are so fucking annoying. stop replying to my posts.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    inmytree wrote:
    that means there are routes and actions that can take place without military action being involved...

    dictating change while pointing a gun is not the only way to get things done...


    You could take the action that your government is used to and arm the people who don't like the way their life is and give them intel and let them do the dirty work. Why waste good Cdn blood for this.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    that means there are routes and actions that can take place without military action being involved...
    absolutely not true. what are you going to do, ask them to stop?
    inmytree wrote:
    dictating change while pointing a gun is not the only way to get things done...

    reallly? how else do you confront Islamic extremism?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    You could take the action that your government is used to and arm the people who don't like the way their life is and give them intel and let them do the dirty work. Why waste good Cdn blood for this.

    I like that idea.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    absolutely not true. what are you going to do, ask them to stop?

    money, diplomacy, letting them live how they want to live, money, sanctions, economic incentives...

    why is it our job to police the world...? who says we know everything about everyone and can dictate how they live...?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    reallly? how else do you confront Islamic extremism?

    how do you know...?

    seriously...how do you know...? I know you like to deal in absolutes...but that's not always how things are...
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    Afghanistan, just like Irak, needs to police themselves, we have no business there, we did our job and it just didn't work that well, we're not their babysitter. About time Afghan govt. take things over. They still violate humans and mostly women's right, we did helped them since 2001-2002, up till 2009, then it will be for someone else to take that fight if Afghan. govt. just can't do it.

    Canada will leave, btw NDP just won a seat in Montreal, Thomas Mulcair is a good politician and will help the NDP, finally some good canadian politics news.

    Good to see your name back in this board...I also agree WE WILL LEAVE....and sooner than later...and I could not be happier....and as for reasons I do not feel the need to give any....I am against this proxy war and the sooner we leave the happier I will be (and for the record will feel just as safe as I do now).
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    jlew24asu wrote:
    canada will stay longer because we will tell them to. and they will listen

    Yeah just as you told us to join you in Iraq....that worked well our PM publically mocked the stupidity of the Iraqi mission and the people behind it...asked one simple question that still has not been answered...."prove your claims"
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    money, diplomacy, letting them live how they want to live, money, sanctions, economic incentives...

    why is it our job to police the world...? who says we know everything about everyone and can dictate how they live...?
    sounds like you are ok with the taliban ruling Afghanistan. i'm not. and there are many who agree with me.
    inmytree wrote:
    how do you know...?

    seriously...how do you know...? I know you like to deal in absolutes...but that's not always how things are...
    you're right tree. i'm just guessing. maybe we should have a sit down with osama and really try to understand how we can make his life better.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    sounds like you are ok with the taliban ruling Afghanistan. i'm not. and there are many who agree with me.

    does it...? if you say so...perhaps you should sign your all-knowing ass up and get to changing the world...
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you're right tree. i'm just guessing. maybe we should have a sit down with osama and really try to understand how we can make his life better.

    again with the absolutes...who said anything about obl...? I thought we were talking about the taliban...

    listen, you seem to be cool with others fighting your fight to change the world, as I said, sign up...get on with saving us...be our hero...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    does it...? if you say so...perhaps you should sign your all-knowing ass up and get to changing the world...



    again with the absolutes...who said anything about obl...? I thought we were talking about the taliban...

    listen, you seem to be cool with others fighting your fight to change the world, as I said, sign up...get on with saving us...be our hero...

    or we can hold hands around the campfire and sing songs....how bout that?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    or we can hold hands around the campfire and sing songs....how bout that?

    I figured you'd avoid my point....

    anyway, kill all who don't think like us, and save the world...

    really, when it comes down to it, folks like you are no better that the taliban..."either think like me or die"...a match made in heaven...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    I figured you'd avoid my point....

    anyway, kill all who don't think like us, and save the world...

    really, when it comes down to it, folks like you are no better that the taliban..."either think like me or die"...a match made in heaven...

    avoid your point? whats your point? asking me to join the military? ok just for you.

    if we are talking about Iraq, Iran, hell even north korea I'd agree. but you seem to want to give money or diplomacy to Islamic radicalism. which is idiotic.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    avoid your point? whats your point? asking me to join the military? ok just for you.

    if we are talking about Iraq, Iran, hell even north korea I'd agree. but you seem to want to give money or diplomacy to Islamic radicalism. which is idiotic.


    Dude the blog and the new pictures of a different city you could have for your new venture. Just think of what signing up could do for you. :D
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    avoid your point? whats your point? asking me to join the military? ok just for you.

    if we are talking about Iraq, Iran, hell even north korea I'd agree. but you seem to want to give money or diplomacy to Islamic radicalism. which is idiotic.

    you're right, we should just kill the fuckers and move on...drop the bomb on them bitches...right, killer...?

    I'm so afraid of the tally-ban...oh, help us...

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