Hamid Karzai: No Canada, Please Don't Leave !!

Truthmonger
Truthmonger Posts: 559
edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
This guy is a joke. First he openly admits that Canada would have to stay past 2009 because there's no way Afghanistan would be ready before that (they'll probably never be ready). Then he threatens Canada by saying terrorism will surely come to Canadian shores if Cdn. troops abandon Afghanistan.

Does he think we're as stupid as Americans ? Does he think that kinda shit will fly as a plausible reason to stay ? What a fucking knob.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N18438288.htm
Post edited by Unknown User on
«13

Comments

  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    canada will stay longer because we will tell them to. and they will listen
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Truthmonger wrote:
    This guy is a joke. First he openly admits that Canada would have to stay past 2009 because there's no way Afghanistan would be ready before that (they'll probably never be ready). Then he threatens Canada by saying terrorism will surely come to Canadian shores if Cdn. troops abandon Afghanistan.

    Does he think we're as stupid as Americans ? Does he think that kinda shit will fly as a plausible reason to stay ? What a fucking knob.

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N18438288.htm


    When the troops who are there are marching through those tribal areas on to Pakistan then I will know they are doing the job they were sent to do. If they are just going to protect 10 square miles forever, it is time to leave.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    When the troops who are there are marching through those tribal areas on to Pakistan then I will know they are doing the job they were sent to do. If they are just going to protect 10 square miles forever, it is time to leave.

    so you support them invading pakistan but not protecting Afghanistan from the taliban taking over again?
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so you support them invading pakistan but not protecting Afghanistan from the taliban taking over again?


    You tell us all about the tribal regions all the time. So you should know that if they go storm trooping through those regions on their way to Pakistan that they will be steaming over the Taliban on the way. You know, actually doing something about terrorism. That is why they are there, no?
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    You tell us all about the tribal regions all the time. So you should know that if they go storm trooping through those regions on their way to Pakistan that they will be steaming over the Taliban on the way. You know, actually doing something about terrorism. That is why they are there, no?

    I have mixed feelings about it. trust me, I would love to go into the tribal areas and take out the extremists. but Pakistan would consider that an act of war and all hell would break loose. (see Iraq for an example). India would get involved by maybe seeing it as an opportunity to attack them and nuclear powers could go to war. its fucked up.

    I'm happy with protecting Afghanistan for now.
  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    canada will stay longer because we will tell them to. and they will listen

    No they won't. Unlike the U.S., Canada doesn't buy the dumbass argument that fighting them over there mitigates domestic terror. Secondly, Canadians don't believe or support perpetual war - they want to know whats going on, and they want definite times as to when it'll end. Thirdly, they are aware that Canada's presence there isn't actually doing much to quell the Taliban. Recent reports by troops and military leaders have noted that they are effectively fighting 3 and 4 times to gain the same bit of physical or tactical ground. Best to leave the futile, fruitless fighting to the Americans.....

    This will end soon because Harper has a minority gov't. The House of Commons isn't likely to support the venture much longer.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Truthmonger wrote:
    No they won't. Unlike the U.S., Canada doesn't buy the dumbass argument that fighting them over there mitigates domestic terror. Secondly, Canadians don't believe or support perpetual war - they want to know whats going on, and they want definite times as to when it'll end. Thirdly, they are aware that Canada's presence there isn't actually doing much to quell the Taliban. Recent reports by troops and military leaders have noted that they are effectively fighting 3 and 4 times to gain the same bit of physical or tactical ground. Best to leave the futile, fruitless fighting to the Americans.....

    This will end soon because Harper has a minority gov't. The House of Commons isn't likely to support the venture much longer.

    so you dont see fighting the taliban as a good thing? would you rather they go back in power?
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so you dont see fighting the taliban as a good thing? would you rather they go back in power?

    first - no, not a good thing....second - their problem. let them rebel against injustice....short of peace keeping, our military should not be there.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    first - no, not a good thing....second - their problem. let them rebel against injustice....short of peace keeping, our military should not be there.

    its their problem? are you serious? the taliban allowed osama bin laden to have a base of opertions for many years. you remember him dont ya? he's the guy that attacked us on 9/11. so its our problem too.

    so we should be there to keep the peace? interesting. I guess that means stopping the taliban from taking over.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    canada will stay longer because we will tell them to. and they will listen

    You work for the US govt?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You work for the US govt?

    nope
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its their problem? are you serious? the taliban allowed osama bin laden to have a base of opertions for many years. you remember him dont ya? he's the guy that attacked us on 9/11. so its our problem too.

    so we should be there to keep the peace? interesting. I guess that means stopping the taliban from taking over.

    At some point the west has to stop the cycle of interference. We cant do this forever...and there will never be a "good" time to leave. Maybe we should say fuck the peace keeping too...but if that's the case, I would rather it be a UN ran force than a NATO one. Canada wasn't attacked on 9/11, and these 'terrorists - read: former US allies" wouldn't give us a second thought if we'd continued to be peacekeepers instead of suckin yankee dick.

    Do you honestly think OBL is still chillin in Afghanistan? I don't buy the boogey-man argument. besides...OBL is america's version of frankensteins monster....and who let the taliban take power? you don't see the problem with this kind of interference? When is the right time to leave jlew? never?
  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so you dont see fighting the taliban as a good thing? would you rather they go back in power?

    Well, who doesn't want to live in a terror-less world ? But anyone who asks a question like yours should first ask why the U.S. actually fosters such terrorism by its actions around the world. Every American should be appraised with their own country's conduct in Central America, in South East Asia, in the Middle East, and other places in this world. Sadly, very few Americans have a clue as to just how meddling and corrosive their own gov't is. Like it or not, 9/11 was a response to that.

    What Canada is now doing in Afghanistan is essentially fighting a proxy war for the U.S.. Its a joke, for so many reasons. That Canadians are now dying because of what the U.S. has done around the world for the last several decades, or longer, is just plain wrong.

    Afghanistan will soon resemble Iraq, where the U.S. is basically fighting by itself. And thats just how it should be.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    At some point the west has to stop the cycle of interference. We cant do this forever...and there will never be a "good" time to leave. Maybe we should say fuck the peace keeping too...but if that's the case, I would rather it be a UN ran force than a NATO one. Canada wasn't attacked on 9/11, and these 'terrorists - read: former US allies" wouldn't give us a second thought if we'd continued to be peacekeepers instead of suckin yankee dick.
    yea, thats good. 24 innocent canadians died on 9/11. did you know that?
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Do you honestly think OBL is still chillin in Afghanistan? I don't buy the boogey-man argument. besides...OBL is america's version of frankensteins monster....and who let the taliban take power? you don't see the problem with this kind of interference? When is the right time to leave jlew? never?

    no I dont think he is in afgahistan. I think he is in the tribal areas of Pakistan. there probably is never a good time to leave. we will have a base there much like we still have one in Germany and Japan. we never left there did we?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Truthmonger wrote:
    Well, who doesn't want to live in a terror-less world ? But anyone who asks a question like yours should first ask why the U.S. actually fosters such terrorism by its actions around the world. Every American should be appraised with their own country's conduct in Central America, in South East Asia, in the Middle East, and other places in this world. Sadly, very few Americans have a clue as to just how meddling and corrosive their own gov't is. Like it or not, 9/11 was a response to that.

    What Canada is now doing in Afghanistan is essentially fighting a proxy war for the U.S.. Its a joke, for so many reasons. That Canadians are now dying because of what the U.S. has done around the world for the last several decades, or longer, is just plain wrong.

    Afghanistan will soon resemble Iraq, where the U.S. is basically fighting by itself. And thats just how it should be.

    why are you ok with abandoning Afghanistan and potentially allowing the taliban back to power?
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea, thats good. 24 innocent canadians died on 9/11. did you know that?
    Yes, I knew that...they died in your country....we weren't attacked. Our citizens die in other countries all the time, without us sending our military to do something about it.

    jlew24asu wrote:
    no I dont think he is in afgahistan. I think he is in the tribal areas of Pakistan. there probably is never a good time to leave. we will have a base there much like we still have one in Germany and Japan. we never left there did we?
    Do you think that's a good thing? Aside from imperial agendas, why?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Yes, I knew that...they died in your country....we weren't attacked. Our citizens die in other countries all the time, without us sending our military to do something about it.
    candaian citizens do not die all the time from terrorists attack. what a horrible thing to say. you are basically spitting the face of the families who died that day.

    eh, people die all the time, fuck em.
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Do you think that's a good thing? Aside from imperial agendas, why?

    no, I dont really see it as such a good thing. but its not a bad thing either. I do not see the benefit of leaving afgahinstan.
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Afghanistan, just like Irak, needs to police themselves, we have no business there, we did our job and it just didn't work that well, we're not their babysitter. About time Afghan govt. take things over. They still violate humans and mostly women's right, we did helped them since 2001-2002, up till 2009, then it will be for someone else to take that fight if Afghan. govt. just can't do it.

    Canada will leave, btw NDP just won a seat in Montreal, Thomas Mulcair is a good politician and will help the NDP, finally some good canadian politics news.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jlew24asu wrote:
    candaian citizens do not die all the time from terrorists attack. what a horrible thing to say. you are basically spitting the face of the families who died that day.

    eh, people die all the time, fuck em..

    Not what I was saying at all, don't put those kind of words in my mouth. I meant Canadians are MURDERED on foreign soil pretty often....which basically boils down to the same thing.


    jlew24asu wrote:
    no, I dont really see it as such a good thing. but its not a bad thing either. I do not see the benefit of leaving afgahinstan.
    What is the benefit of staying? Aside from imperial agendas?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Not what I was saying at all, don't put those kind of words in my mouth. I meant Canadians are MURDERED on foreign soil pretty often....which basically boils down to the same thing.
    random violence happens daily. that can not be compared to what happened on 9/11
    Drowned Out wrote:
    What is the benefit of staying? Aside from imperial agendas?
    to ensure that Afghanistan doesnt fall back into the hands of extremists. call it what you want.

Categories