Was it a scare tactic or something more?

Skitch Patterson

I am not a fan of the invasion of privacy aspect as the Police took it.

However, the teacher was teaching a lesson. A lesson about crime and such. Give a teacher a right to teach their class as they see fit. It doesnt harm anyone.


Again, let me say i am not a fan of the fact these childrens information was run through the system... but, how does it actually HURT anything that their information is now on file? ITS WORSE THAN A SPANKING?!!!! how? Really? Overdramatic much?

inmytree

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I am not a fan of the invasion of privacy aspect as the Police took it.

However, the teacher was teaching a lesson. A lesson about crime and such. Give a teacher a right to teach their class as they see fit. It doesnt harm anyone.


Again, let me say i am not a fan of the fact these childrens information was run through the system... but, how does it actually HURT anything that their information is now on file? ITS WORSE THAN A SPANKING?!!!! how? Really? Overdramatic much?

well said...

Heineken Helen

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Again, let me say i am not a fan of the fact these childrens information was run through the system... but, how does it actually HURT anything that their information is now on file? ITS WORSE THAN A SPANKING?!!!! how? Really? Overdramatic much?

:eek: Are you serious? You think a spanking would have bigger and longer term implications than having fingerprints of KIDS put on file for NO reason?????? Yep, You just keep letting them do this and see where we end up don't say you weren't warned... but hey... it's the whole boiling frog thing... you won't even notice!

Skitch Patterson

Heineken Helen wrote:

:eek: Are you serious? You think a spanking would have bigger and longer term implications than having fingerprints of KIDS put on file for NO reason?????? Yep, You just keep letting them do this and see where we end up don't say you weren't warned... but hey... it's the whole boiling frog thing... you won't even notice!

Please tell me a possible (at first ill even go for far fetched) ramification of having a fingerprint on file?

melodious

Hi skitch:

I sort of think there might still possibly be people out there who live under the wire.

Besides, aren't student records supposed to be private unless the student is involved in a crime. Certainly one or a couple of her students were involved in this heist, but what about the kids who weren't. I mean it seems to me a viewpoint that supports this action is indoctrinating children to accept actions that may be against what he/she may stand for as an adult.

And yes, I know if a subpeona is involved, student records become public knowledge.

If any student is to be put in an investigation, it should be with cause, not just because that student was among a group of people at the wrong time and place. I continue to feel this teacher was wrong and her rush to judgement was also wrong.

She should have had support from her board of directors and then she should have sent home parental permission slips as they do for any activities these days...

And what if one of the students has an allergic reaction to the ink or some other unforeseen event would occur...

When a student's locker is searched, it's not because of a random whim but more so because a board of directors has passed a measure...She was simply wrong.

melodious

Dear Gary,

I'd like to share an experience I had with my little son. He is seven years old (in 2nd grade) and has always loved math. But a couple of weeks ago he somehow lost his ability to do even simple calculations. I was puzzled and had no explanation. After a while I had the idea to ask him if his teacher had said anything. It turned out that she got angry with him one day and said "Nobody could do worse at math than you do".

Obviously, he got kind of hypnotized by that statement and fulfilled the "command". We tapped with the teacher's sentence for about 5 minutes. All blocks were gone immediately. Now at school, he taps the karate chop point from time to time whispering: "I'm super and I'll show her!" (his own words). It works. No more problems!

Warm regards,

Angelika Rinderle-Tessa

dontloseyourheat

I think the teacher overstepped her boundaries but i don't see why people are getting so upset about the fingerprints.

Many parents have their kids fingerprinted in case anything ever happens to the child.
And the only way the prints would be used against the child is if he/she commits a crime. If someone stole your stuff, wouldn't you appreciate it if the cops could determine who did it by matching fingerprints?

Commy

dontloseyourheat wrote:

I think the teacher overstepped her boundaries but i don't see why people are getting so upset about the fingerprints.

Many parents have their kids fingerprinted in case anything ever happens to the child.
And the only way the prints would be used against the child is if he/she commits a crime. If someone stole your stuff, wouldn't you appreciate it if the cops could determine who did it by matching fingerprints?

what if you were an enemy of someone in power, and they had your prints on file? they could use them for whatever purposes they wanted...


to give them things like this requires trust, and I do not trust politicians, or the authorities.

Heineken Helen

Commy wrote:

what if you were an enemy of someone in power, and they had your prints on file? they could use them for whatever purposes they wanted...


to give them things like this requires trust, and I do not trust politicians, or the authorities.

I think people who need to ask the question... are never gonna get it which is where the problem lies. They'll keep asking 'what's the problem unless you do something wrong'. The problem should be that they shouldn't HAVE any of your personal details UNLESS you do something wrong. There are endless ramifications of what can be done. It may be hard to understand living in countries like we do... but the fact is nobody knows who is going to be in charge in ten years time or what's going to have happened in the meantime to change things and how countries are run. Once they have your details, you can't take them back :eek: There ARE countries in the world where your fingerprint alone could probably have you put to death for something you didn't do. And who knows if/when governments are going to share their files with other countries. If you VISIT another country now after being to the US... this country should have your details on file and the INDIVIDUALS dealing with it can do whatever the hell they want with it. That's ONE small issue.

BetterThanYou

melodious wrote:

Dear Gary,

I'd like to share an experience I had with my little son. He is seven years old (in 2nd grade) and has always loved math. But a couple of weeks ago he somehow lost his ability to do even simple calculations. I was puzzled and had no explanation. After a while I had the idea to ask him if his teacher had said anything. It turned out that she got angry with him one day and said "Nobody could do worse at math than you do".

Obviously, he got kind of hypnotized by that statement and fulfilled the "command". We tapped with the teacher's sentence for about 5 minutes. All blocks were gone immediately. Now at school, he taps the karate chop point from time to time whispering: "I'm super and I'll show her!" (his own words). It works. No more problems!

Warm regards,

Angelika Rinderle-Tessa

nice teacher your son has. reminds me of my biology teacher in 10th grade. she said at the beginning of the year "don't be afraid to ask questions. there are no stupid questions." pretty generic teacher statement, i know. but about a quarter of the way through the year, i asked a question (can't remember what it pertained to) that she didn't have an answer for. 10 minutes later i asked a similar question and her reply was "i don't know! why do you keep asking me these stupid questions?!" she was extremely agitated. i went on to not ask anymore questions in that class, and ended up failing. i don't think it was because of that exchange that i failed, i was just lazy. but it really pissed me off that when i tried to show motivation, she comes back to me with a response like that.

ok, didn't mean to derail. back on topic: someone said they didn't see the big deal because parents get their kids fingerprinted in case of emergencies. key point: the parents had it done, not a teacher without parental consent.

i'm wondering if the people that don't see a problem with this would have the same attitude if an entire group protesting at a convention were taken in for fingerprinting and questioning because someone in the center of the group threw a rock at a police officer.