Was it a scare tactic or something more?

melodious

I don't think I would be too happy if this happened in a classroom in which my child is in attendance.

Dallas science teacher, trying to solve theft, fingerprints students


Was it a scare tactic or something more?

A Dallas ISD teacher is under investigation for reportedly making students give their fingerprints to help solve a crime.
CSI DISD: Students fingerprinted by teacher


A science teacher at Comstock Middle School is accused of trying to use a little bit of science to track down her missing belongings.

"She said some of the students took her cell phone and credit cards but she didn't know who it was. She told us she was going to fingerprint us," said student Savannah Seal.

Savannah says the entire 7th grade class was told to fill out background check forms with their names, addresses and parent information.

Then the teacher went around with an ink pad and had students fingerprint the bottom of the form.

"She said 'I'm going to find out who did this and press charges against who did it,'" Savannah said.

"There's no way that they should go through a situation like that," said parent Lionel Hayden.

It upset Mr. Hayden to hear his daughter was treated like a criminal.

"I think they stepped over their boundaries. A teacher was doing too much. She's there to teach. She's not there to be a detective," he said.

DISD detectives are now involved.

They have the student fingerprints, and the teacher has reportedly been disciplined, as heard in this voicemail left for the family: "The principal, head principal was notified and appropriate actions were taken administratively against the teacher," an officer said.

The Haydens say administrators told them it was a scare tactic gone wrong.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/100808dnmetDallas.ecb6893a.html

BetterThanYou

i wouldn't be too happy if one of my kids told me this happened in one of their classes.

Heineken Helen

BetterThanYou wrote:

i wouldn't be too happy if one of my kids told me this happened in one of their classes.

I would raise hell... so now the police have the fingerprints and background checks?? :eek: shouldn't they simply have been destroyed? :eek:

Gonzo1977

This sounds like a bad episode of 21 Jump Street.

inmytree

It's hard to say...

I think I'm ok with the teachers actions...she taught kids about possible consequences of stealing...

Heineken Helen

inmytree wrote:

It's hard to say...

I think I'm ok with the teachers actions...she taught kids about possible consequences of stealing...

Taking their fingerprints which were then confiscated by the cops is a HUGE no no.

My friend went nuts one time... her little sister went on a school tour of a police station (woo lol) and they took their prints :eek:

You don't mess with shit like this.

inmytree

Heineken Helen wrote:

Taking their fingerprints which were then confiscated by the cops is a HUGE no no.

My friend went nuts one time... her little sister went on a school tour of a police station (woo lol) and they took their prints :eek:

You don't mess with shit like this.

let's agree to disagree...

Heineken Helen

inmytree wrote:

let's agree to disagree...

Not on this one I've issues with having to give my prints in order to get through immigration in the states... so if my kid gave her prints cos her teachers mobile phone went missing :eek: I've BIG issues!

Anon

EXCLUSIVE: FINGERPRINT SCANDAL OF 700,000 KIDS
By Bob Roberts, Deputy Political Editor 3/07/2006

EXCLUSIVE Schools storing data triggers fears

FURY erupted yesterday after it emerged an estimated 700,000 children are being fingerprinted at school.

Systems in 3,500 primary school libraries allow pupils to take out books by scanning their thumb prints instead of using a card.

But campaigners warn the technology is a massive invasion of privacy and a step towards a "database state".

With an average primary school size of 200 pupils, pressure group No2ID says at least 700,000 pupils are regularly having their fingerprints scanned.

And there are fears schools having children's fingerprints could lead to the information being stored on government computers with DNA records and personal details.

It is also seen as "softening up" resistance before people are asked for biometric data such as eye-scans to put on compulsory identity cards.

Phil Booth of No2ID said: "Are we sending our kids to school or to prison? We wouldn't accept fingerprinting for adults without informed consent so it is utterly outrageous that children as young as five are being targeted."

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But Andy O'Brien, managing director of Micro Librarian Systems which makes the fingerprint systems, insisted there was nothing sinister about the new scanning technology.

He said: "Ultimately, this is completely optional.

"If parents object because they don't like the use of biometrics their children can still use a library card or pin number.

"But this can make libraries a really cool place to go for children.

"We have never had a single parent object to it, the children love it and it solves the problem of lost library cards."

Other schools are increasingly using fingerprints to allow pupils access to premises or even to get into canteens.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17324161&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=fingerprint-scandal-of-700-000-kids--name_page.html

inmytree

Heineken Helen wrote:

Not on this one I've issues with having to give my prints in order to get through immigration in the states... so if my kid gave her prints cos her teachers mobile phone went missing :eek: I've BIG issues!

fine, let's disagree to disagree....

Heineken Helen

wow that's just sad and as long as people continue to be ok with it... it WILL just get worse. We need to speak out about personal rights being violated all the time... or they'll take our silence as a go-ahead! The kids like it cos it's cool... what the fuck????????? :mad:

Heineken Helen

inmytree wrote:

fine, let's disagree to disagree....

ok... but do ya wanna elaborate on why you think you're ok with this? If the teacher had spanked each of them... it would be MUCH less potentially disastrous than what the teacher actually did!

inmytree

Heineken Helen wrote:

wow that's just sad and as long as people continue to be ok with it... it WILL just get worse. We need to speak out about personal rights being violated all the time... or they'll take our silence as a go-ahead! The kids like it cos it's cool... what the fuck????????? :mad:

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inmytree

Heineken Helen wrote:

ok... but do ya wanna elaborate on why you think you're ok with this? If the teacher had spanked each of them... it would be MUCH less potentially disastrous than what the teacher actually did!

I already did: I think I'm ok with the teachers actions...she taught kids about possible consequences of stealing...

and spanking is not ok...and would be more harmful than the finger printing...

let's see...make kids put there fingers in ink or hit them....

gosh, that's a toughie....

Heineken Helen

inmytree wrote:

I already did: I think I'm ok with the teachers actions...she taught kids about possible consequences of stealing...

and spanking is not ok...and would be more harmful than the finger printing...

let's see...make kids put there fingers in ink or hit them....

gosh, that's a toughie....

The spanking would have no lasting effects... fuck KNOWS when these fingerprints could come back to bite their ass. The cops haven't destroyed them? What have they done with them?

There are plenty of ways to teach kids consequences of their actions... taking their fingerprints hardly seems like a reasonable way to do it... the kids probably thought it was cool. Now if she had a cop come into the classroom and start questioning them or telling them the consequences of stealing or something... or call them all to the principals office... there are PLENTY of ways.

inmytree

Heineken Helen wrote:

The spanking would have no lasting effects... fuck KNOWS when these fingerprints could come back to bite their ass. The cops haven't destroyed them? What have they done with them?

There are plenty of ways to teach kids consequences of their actions... taking their fingerprints hardly seems like a reasonable way to do it... the kids probably thought it was cool. Now if she had a cop come into the classroom and start questioning them or telling them the consequences of stealing or something... or call them all to the principals office... there are PLENTY of ways.

ok, I guess we're back to agreeing to disagree...or disagreeing to disagree, I can't keep up...

melodious

I know, if my child were in that classroom, I would raise a bit of caine...It's wrong and like I told the person who posted this, she should have realized she was dealing with middle-schoolers. She should have kept her personal items safely locked away in a cabinet or desk...and I feel she is trying to play victim to her own carelessness...

She should have never taken "an investigation" into her own hands..Wow..arrrogant...She should have contacted her administrators
and followed legal protocol under that school's policy.

Thanks for responding...

Good day, to you Jammers...
Sending wishes for prosperity and abundance..

and peace....

BetterThanYou

inmytree wrote:

I already did: I think I'm ok with the teachers actions...she taught kids about possible consequences of stealing....

i don't know for sure, but i'm willing to bet that's not what she was hired to do. hey, how about this: alert the authorities to deal with it. or even better: call your fucking cell phone and when you hear it ring....whoomp! there it is.

Kel Varnsen

What exactly would taking these fingerprints prove? I mean unless one of the kids broke into the teacher's house or car and stole the stuff fingerprints won't prove anything. For example say this stuff was stolen off of her desk, you would expect a bunch of kids to have touched the teachers desk and left their fingerprints so matching fingerprints their wouldn't prove theft. Plus you need a computer and/or at least some high level training to match fingerprints (especially since most prints are partial prints), and I highly doubt that Dallas PD is going to offer up their services on the case of the stolen cell phone and credit card.

inmytree

BetterThanYou wrote:

whoomp! there it is.

damn...kickin' it old school....straight out of 1993...

boy eeee....!!!

BetterThanYou

inmytree wrote:

damn...kickin' it old school....straight out of 1993...

boy eeee....!!!

my "moments" are few and far between.