For those of you who support dea enforcement:

melodious

Can you answer why does the dea want to take away the only medicine that works for me...

FEDERAL: Raids in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Modesto
· CALIFORNIA: Dispensary Regulations Continue

FEDERAL: Raids in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Modesto
Medical cannabis dispensing collectives in four California cities have been raided in little more than a week. Why federal resources are being spent undermining the state’s regulation of the drug is unclear. DEA spokespersons claim sympathy for patients, but the raids come in the same month as new research on people fighting hepatitis C virus that shows those using cannabis are three times more likely to get better. Why stopping those patients from getting the medicine that will help save them is a priority for the federal government is also unclear.

binauralsounds

because companies that make "prescription meds" get a shit load of money. They are in bed with the govt. insurance is in bed with both. wahla, you have a corrupt mafioso!!
I can go spend 25 bucks a month on xanax at the pharmacy legally, but can't buy weed legally. why?? because all the money goes back to washington. follow the money trail.

sponger

Raids go on throughout the year. This year's total is now 30. It can't be said for sure that the DEA is deliberately trying to keep people from fighting hepatiis.

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/CAStatusQuo.html

melodious

They been raiding and a raiding around these parts...Someone told me that Arnie cut down on CAMP funds for this years election....funny how I see little black helecopters surrounding the hills north of the lake....Man is media ever the greatest weapon of all....

Gov't won't take you seriously unless, you take their drugs and their protocol...if you don't believe, me just try being in my condition and trying to address wacked out liver cells with nutrition, milk thistle, vitamin b-complex, and brewer's yeast; and then go tell the gov't how sick and fatigue you feel becasue you can't ingest too many toxic substances..oh for the non believers, any pork and beef products can always guarantee lethargy and toxic induced headaches....they will suggest meds that even though may not be as harmful as alcohol, that the liver has to process....unbelievable...what did people do in dayz past...?

Canna butter can minimize headaches if ingested at onset of a headache..A person may sleep for a spell, but atleast he/she doesn't have to go through two or three dayz of nausea until the bile finally purges out....Did any one here see the pics of the "obliviously opalents" at indy bay.org? did you see how that b*tch was flashing a V-sign...? People may take it as a peace sign, but it wasn't for Peace; it was there victory sign.....Have you seen all the pics that have been pasted about? If not let me know, and I am certain I can come up with a link or two....

here

I've been an official patient under prop 215 for 7 years now; but I have used the medicine for over 20..........;).

Binaural Sounds: cheers......

melodious

sponger wrote:

Raids go on throughout the year. This year's total is now 30. It can't be said for sure that the DEA is deliberately trying to keep people from fighting hepatiis.

http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking06/CAStatusQuo.html

great resource; and until the likes of you and me show people that we function and contribute to our communities; the war continues..fortunately in my community; they value state law..........

sponger

melodious wrote:

and until the likes of you and me show people that we function and contribute to our communities

I do not smoke. In fact, I am all for the continued criminalization of marijuana. I do support medicinal marijuana, however.

melodious

You sound like you might be open enough to discuss your postition on the criminalizing side? Care to elaborate? if you feel like you don't want to get into an insult fest, feel free to send me a personal note...Otherwise, I see the use of cannabis as far more versatile than for just getting high....If I could grow my entire yard 50x100ft lot in buds, I would. Not for the flowers either. I'd be trying to weave the fibres into thread and maybe make a rug or rattan-type furniture....Also, I feel that if a person chooses to use herb for relaxation, then, that person suffers from anxiety...I mean, come on now...if the straight and narrow get depressed, they get prozac; if a man can't perform in matrimony, he can get viagra...I hope you will expand on your comments, for certain...Thank you for joining in......

SweetHarmonics

the DEA...psh

one of the bigger wastes of taxpayer money in the history of the country IMO

truroute

sponger wrote:

I do not smoke. In fact, I am all for the continued criminalization of marijuana. I do support medicinal marijuana, however.

Im also curious why you're all for criminiliazation of bud.

MasterFramer

melodious wrote:

They been raiding and a raiding around these parts...Someone told me that Arnie cut down on CAMP funds for this years election....funny how I see little black helecopters surrounding the hills north of the lake....Man is media ever the greatest weapon of all....

Gov't won't take you seriously unless, you take their drugs and their protocol...if you don't believe, me just try being in my condition and trying to address wacked out liver cells with nutrition, milk thistle, vitamin b-complex, and brewer's yeast; and then go tell the gov't how sick and fatigue you feel becasue you can't ingest too many toxic substances..oh for the non believers, any pork and beef products can always guarantee lethargy and toxic induced headaches....they will suggest meds that even though may not be as harmful as alcohol, that the liver has to process....unbelievable...what did people do in dayz past...?

Canna butter can minimize headaches if ingested at onset of a headache..A person may sleep for a spell, but atleast he/she doesn't have to go through two or three dayz of nausea until the bile finally purges out....Did any one here see the pics of the "obliviously opalents" at indy bay.org? did you see how that b*tch was flashing a V-sign...? People may take it as a peace sign, but it wasn't for Peace; it was there victory sign.....Have you seen all the pics that have been pasted about? If not let me know, and I am certain I can come up with a link or two....

here

I've been an official patient under prop 215 for 7 years now; but I have used the medicine for over 20..........;).

Binaural Sounds: cheers......

I suffer from intense migraines and the only thing that help subdue the pain is smoke... none of the over the counter drugs work unless I take 8-10 advil/aspirin... the only thing that is keeping me from getting my card in oregon is the upfront cost :(

MasterFramer

SweetHarmonics wrote:

the DEA...psh

one of the bigger wastes of taxpayer money in the history of the country IMO

Imagine the tax revenue form legalized and controlled marijuana cigarettes... the only reason there is a war on drugs is because the government is in bed with the major drug traffickers.

melodious

MasterModeler wrote:

I suffer from intense migraines and the only thing that help subdue the pain is smoke... none of the over the counter drugs work unless I take 8-10 advil/aspirin... the only thing that is keeping me from getting my card in oregon is the upfront cost :(

Advil/tylenol are worst things in the world second to alcohol for liver. I was originally diagnose a false positive for rheumatoid. What does one take for rhematoid? Anti inflammatory drugs, muscle relaxers to alleiviate muscle spasms, and when in real doubt, a nice dosage of tylenol/codeine 3's..Yeah this therapy itself went on for over ten years until about 2 years ago, when I started seeing a holistic doctor that was willing to discuss my health from a nutritional standpoint. I'm not like ohters who are strong and brave to undergo this treatment. I did check it out and had meds all ready at pharmacy. Unfortunately, my county wanted me to sign ove the deed to my house for any financial help becasue I don't have chil'n in the home. So, the courage to address treatment; blew out the door; so I could have the home that I have worked so long to keep. In the meantime, I have changed my nutritional ideas. Man I used to be a junk food junkie, but I have been studying migraines for as long as I can remember and that's since I was in my teens. I have had them for even longer than I have ingested the herb. They are absolutiely screwed up...I have done every therapy in the book ranging from blood pressure control to having my eyes checked and the only man-made drug that has helped my headaches is Relpax and Imitrex. Imitrex is hard on the heart, but the headaches are so frequent and disabling, that if I don't tkae them, I couldn't even work the little bit that I do....

Not to be too intrusive, but there is a correlation between migraine headaches and how long wastes stay in the body. Meaning, if you don't eat those veggies and keep your digestive track full of fibre to make you move; the toxins will build up and then cause these toxic headaches. I know exactly what you are talking about with headaches......

I have found that herb has kept me a bit calmer in life and that also helps keep the blood pressure down. Nobody ever raves about how herb could help people with high blood pressure either....

Try to get away from the aleve; you see your heart they can do surgery on; but your liver has only two ways: treatment, or transplant....

When you eat, think to yourself whether or not the food you take in will make glue? That's how I look at it? I used to drink pepsi's and now I limit that down to about a gallon a year. I don't eat at fast food places; and I drink a smoothie in the a.m with all my vitamin regiments...Brewers yeast, milk thistle, and lots of B-complex....ginseng for energy... These are interactive combinations that my doc told me...

How much does a recommmendation cost in your state? What do you have to do to get it? Thanks for jumpin in.


Imitrex= 250. for 9 pills; I did get the county and state to recognize me as disabled so I can get these meds. That took an entire year to accompish; but man am I ever appreciative for that little bit of help. The pills cost almost a 1/2 of what I earn at my part-time job..

rod_farva

Don't worry, it's all going to change soon.

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org
http://www.safercolorado.org

The last poll I saw had the Colorado deal down by 7%, with 35% undecided.
And the Nevada one has religious leaders on their side now, so it will be interesting.

Then it will be Colorado, Nevada, the medical states, and Alaska vs. the feds, and that should be entertaining to watch. I do believe at least 1 more state is going to pass a medical law this november too.

melodious

I have lots of family in Colorado. I think your measure will pass...People are tired of being treated like fools; people are tired of seeing thier sons and daughters spend years in jail over a plant.......just like they did here in 1996....thank you for your links...I didn't quite follow the first link...I got a home page; but didn't quite know what i was looking for either.....


problem with state law is that feds really go bazooka over non medics....and the law is written so that any judge and da can interpret it to their liking...i have a friend doing 16 months in state prison for growing only 100 plants...and out of that 100 only 24 were mature enough to consider fruitful....

rod_farva

Oh, the first url was just the homepage for the organization that has their initiative on the ballot in Nevada.

Well shoot the links around to your voting family members, if they're not already going to vote Yes.

It's funny listening to them debate this thing with talk show hosts, cops, politicians, etc.

They even had this debate with the Colorado Attorney General televised:
http://www.9news.com/includes/buildasx.aspx?fn=http://wm.kusa.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/1159424792782-DU-Debate-Amendment44-final.wmv&sp=http://wm.kusa.gannett.edgestreams.net/ads/sales/pre-stream/elite-may06.wmv
Plug that url into Media Player and enjoy.

And the White House Drug Czar spending our money flying around to these states to get involved in state issues. Accusing "Billionaires" and "sock puppets" of funding these iniaitives for some sort of gain? Nevermind that the only ones with any money at stake are the opponents of marijuana legalization. (drug companies, beer companies, etc.) It's just laughable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTIItJA64Nc&mode=user&search=

What state was your friend in? Was he growing for his own medical use?

SweetHarmonics

MasterModeler wrote:

Imagine the tax revenue form legalized and controlled marijuana cigarettes... the only reason there is a war on drugs is because the government is in bed with the major drug traffickers.

The Ollie North scandal pretty much factualized the CIA's drug running operation. A logical move for them since it's such a profitable business but the collusion between the agencies is what creates the high cost.

So yeah, just more bureaucratic BS.

melodious

rod_farva wrote:

Oh, the first url was just the homepage for the organization that has their initiative on the ballot in Nevada.

Well shoot the links around to your voting family members, if they're not already going to vote Yes.

It's funny listening to them debate this thing with talk show hosts, cops, politicians, etc.

They even had this debate with the Colorado Attorney General televised:
http://www.9news.com/includes/buildasx.aspx?fn=http://wm.kusa.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/1159424792782-DU-Debate-Amendment44-final.wmv&sp=http://wm.kusa.gannett.edgestreams.net/ads/sales/pre-stream/elite-may06.wmv
Plug that url into Media Player and enjoy.

And the White House Drug Czar spending our money flying around to these states to get involved in state issues. Accusing "Billionaires" and "sock puppets" of funding these iniaitives for some sort of gain? Nevermind that the only ones with any money at stake are the opponents of marijuana legalization. (drug companies, beer companies, etc.) It's just laughable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTIItJA64Nc&mode=user&search=

What state was your friend in? Was he growing for his own medical use?

cali...and yes he had enough recommendations to cover himself, but he made a big mistake...he finally went down for cultivation for sales even though he submitted plenty of evidence to substantiate caregiver role..there were several charges and i can't remember what all they were, but we do know that there was some evidence that was planted there as well...it was claimed that he had conversion charts for measurements, which he and his companion both knew nevr existed in the facility. you see, the probation department hated that he could actually ingest the herb under statle law that he was going to prison for while on felony probation...i have learned and believe now that law enforcement folks run off of their egos as opposed to right and wrong...they held this man for three weeks on no-bail hold and a dear friend of mine who had no other record except for a dui, on a three day no-bail hold....threatened to put my friend away for up to three years on a felony and wanted him to snitch...(we dont' eat that brand of cheeze....) so, my friend had to get a bail bondsmen for 1500 to get out of jail , an attorney which cost 4500. without trial and up to 8500. with trial..It took a year of his time and energy becasue of the fear of going to jail, and in the long run, they charged my friend with a misdemeanor of posessing over an oz; gave him 100. fine and 1 year of summary probation (non-search clause)..The other guy paid the 8500, had Chris Conrad testify 1500. and then put up another 14,000 after he was convicted for Omar Figuero, appellate court and then lost the appeal...He was sentenced to San Quentin and he told me that there aren't too many folks in San Q for marijuana growing; only drug addicts and hardened criminals....So that's where all of our tax payer dollars are going to help addicts be housed without having to pay any utilities, rent, medical...etc.....

I send him letters and he has now been placed in a facility in bakersfield...This is where and when I learned about asset forfeiture and how wrong the laws that I even have voted for in the past are WRONG.....

sponger

truroute wrote:

Im also curious why you're all for criminiliazation of bud.

I've had this conversation before many, many times. There is no convincing anyone of what could possibly be wrong with something that makes them feel so good.

know1

"on people fighting hepatitis C virus that shows those using cannabis are three times more likely to get better"

Is there documentation for this? Methinks that statement is very carefully worded. HCV is something I know a little bit about and marijuana has nothing to do with curing that virus. There are drugs out there with very good cure rates now. The problem is that the main side effects of treatment are psychological - depression, etc. What's more likely is that it's possible that smoking pot helps people tolerate the side effects of the drugs that are actually curing them. I'm not downplaying the significance of that, because adherence to the treatment regimen is important, but the way that is worded is deceptive.

sponger

know1 wrote:

"on people fighting hepatitis C virus that shows those using cannabis are three times more likely to get better"

Is there documentation for this? Methinks that statement is very carefully worded. HCV is something I know a little bit about and marijuana has nothing to do with curing that virus. There are drugs out there with very good cure rates now. The problem is that the main side effects of treatment are psychological - depression, etc. What's more likely is that it's possible that smoking pot helps people tolerate the side effects of the drugs that are actually curing them. I'm not downplaying the significance of that, because adherence to the treatment regimen is important, but the way that is worded is deceptive.

I agree. A person would have to be high to believe that marijuana has anything to do with curing hep.

melodious

not cure, but serve as an alternative means for pain and other symptoms surriounding hep. i just had one of those toxic headaches that are brought on by the hep. i have spent the entire night purging all the poisons in my body. this happens to me at least once a month; to use any other means for the nausea would just complicate all the c- symptoms. at least this way, i know that i am using natural means to address my situation. i understand you don't condemn use for medical purposes, but to limit the benefits of cannabis to medicine only is elitest thinking. god put plants on the earth for living species to absorb.

k-1, would you like to elaborate on your knowledge of the baby hep virus, i have growing in my blood-cells? your views have always led me to think a bit, so i am asking for your info...thank..you.

sponger, thank you. i understand that you don't wanna go into the round and round conversation about this; because some are not willing to extend courteous exchange.....your last post said what i was gonna say, anyway...try it; if you like it , try it again, if you don't walk away....it's pretty basic; just like cannabis is a basic component to earth's eco system...