can you explain this a bit more? u see, i don't think gopj is being arrogant when she says what she says...u cannot know her intentions as well, unless you know a human as yourself; and that's always variable in itself.
Someone said we should "help nature and animals grow and flurish". I think it is arrogant to think we can realistically do this. How nature works is beyond us.
We cannot help nature flourish, we can only damage it less. Based on our history it would be arrogant to think we can help nature.
i like how you use we. however, you would be surpriese how much of an impact a single person can make...have you ever seen those psychological studies where the goal is to break group think..it has been written somewhere and u know i'm not one for citations, that it only takes one strong individual to break up a crowed.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the enviro movement.
the dangerous word is manage; it sounds like a business; once again not in sync with natures' way. we as humans learn by mimic; how do you think this monkey see/monkey do phenomena began?
There have been many well documented cases, one being at Yellowstone National Park where we tried to manage the eco-system and "help nature and animals grow and flurish". Everyone has been a failure. These had nothing to do with treating it as a business, in fact it was the exact opposite.
Facing facts, we know we do more damage to the eco-system than necessary. But we do not know how this damage really affects nature. Like last year the eco fear-mongerers were blaming every hurricane and tsunami on climate change and carbon based global warming. But they are suspiciously silent about the lack of hurricanes and tsunami damage done this year.
Climate change and to a big extent the eco-novement has moved from a science based debate to a political forum where propoganda rules. Like the push to do away with plastic bags without knowing what the impact this change will have.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Surferdude go back and read the post i put after you when you first arrogantly replied to what i put. I explain what i meant. We help nature by not destroying it-that way it can grow, we help animals by not being wasteful and killing them, thats how we help them flurish instead of becoming extinct. You're being the arrogant one by thinking you know what i meant when you didn't even read it properly.
* We were but stones....your light made us stars *
One day, some day i will get to see Pearl Jam in the UK!!!
Fingers crossed for London!!!! (nope, didn't get tickets for that either)
Surferdude go back and read the post i put after you when you first arrogantly replied to what i put. I explain what i meant. We help nature by not destroying it-that way it can grow, we help animals by not being wasteful and killing them, thats how we help them flurish instead of becoming extinct. You're being the arrogant one by thinking you know what i meant when you didn't even read it properly.
I apologise to you for the mis-understanding. I think we approach the notion of "helping nature" from different directions.
Most of my comments were not really directed at you but at the idea presented by many that we can "help" nature or that we can manage an eco-system.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I apologise to you for the mis-understanding. I think we approach the notion of "helping nature" from different directions.
Most of my comments were not really directed at you but at the idea presented by many that we can "help" nature or that we can manage an eco-system.
I apologise for the misunderstanding too. Yeah like i said in my post when you first replied i think we meant the same thing but i just phrased it differently. This issue is important to me so i usually get carried away and probably could have phrased it better! By 'help' i think people mean taking more care with what we do to the earth instead of being so wasteful, not to mean control and try and improve nature because like you said we can't do it better than nature itself.
* We were but stones....your light made us stars *
One day, some day i will get to see Pearl Jam in the UK!!!
Fingers crossed for London!!!! (nope, didn't get tickets for that either)
"It is not too late to save the Arctic, but it requires that we begin to slow carbon dioxide emissions this decade," James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, said in a statement.
He has no idea if it's too late or not. How can this so called scientist spew out stuff like this and still expect to be taken seriously? I appreciate what he's trying to do but he's a scientist he should stick to the facts.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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Yeah i will and do!! Marks and Spencer sell cloth bags and big ones which we use, i think all shops should sell them. It is a great suggestion!!
One day, some day i will get to see Pearl Jam in the UK!!!
Fingers crossed for London!!!! (nope, didn't get tickets for that either)
We cannot help nature flourish, we can only damage it less. Based on our history it would be arrogant to think we can help nature.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the enviro movement.
There have been many well documented cases, one being at Yellowstone National Park where we tried to manage the eco-system and "help nature and animals grow and flurish". Everyone has been a failure. These had nothing to do with treating it as a business, in fact it was the exact opposite.
Facing facts, we know we do more damage to the eco-system than necessary. But we do not know how this damage really affects nature. Like last year the eco fear-mongerers were blaming every hurricane and tsunami on climate change and carbon based global warming. But they are suspiciously silent about the lack of hurricanes and tsunami damage done this year.
Climate change and to a big extent the eco-novement has moved from a science based debate to a political forum where propoganda rules. Like the push to do away with plastic bags without knowing what the impact this change will have.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
One day, some day i will get to see Pearl Jam in the UK!!!
Fingers crossed for London!!!! (nope, didn't get tickets for that either)
Most of my comments were not really directed at you but at the idea presented by many that we can "help" nature or that we can manage an eco-system.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I apologise for the misunderstanding too. Yeah like i said in my post when you first replied i think we meant the same thing but i just phrased it differently. This issue is important to me so i usually get carried away and probably could have phrased it better! By 'help' i think people mean taking more care with what we do to the earth instead of being so wasteful, not to mean control and try and improve nature because like you said we can't do it better than nature itself.
One day, some day i will get to see Pearl Jam in the UK!!!
Fingers crossed for London!!!! (nope, didn't get tickets for that either)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/09/15/arctic.ice.reut/index.html
"It is not too late to save the Arctic, but it requires that we begin to slow carbon dioxide emissions this decade," James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, said in a statement.
He has no idea if it's too late or not. How can this so called scientist spew out stuff like this and still expect to be taken seriously? I appreciate what he's trying to do but he's a scientist he should stick to the facts.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
This, according to melodious, is the one and only almanac and you can buy it at your local grocery store; but don't be decieved by copy-cats because there are others that claim they are as good as this one.....
http://www.almanac.com/question/index.php
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nature is god
god is love
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