When you endorse abstinence only programs, there's going to be backlash when one of your children becomes pregnant out of wedlock. Especially when you're running for a very publicized office. This is today's politics. You attack them however you can instead of debating them. I'm glad Obama is rising above it all. Apparently families aren't off limits though. Anyone remember when Mccain himself made a shitty joke about chelsea clinton back in 98?
Don't forget he's a Maverick and he can do, say and choose whomever he wants.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Would it be the same if this was Obama's 17 year old daughter? At 17 I can tell you this I didn't impregnate anyone in fact I was still a virgin. Abstinence worked for me at that time.
Peace
yes, it would be the same...dragging kids and dragging a problem like that out into the public light for political gain or ratings on a tv show is a DISGRACE. Oh, abstinence works every time...last I checked. Is it realistic? most likely not.
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know what as a fact? that she endorses abstinence only programs?
no, do you know that she would " be railing against the failures of the parents and touting her own abstinence-only views as the best prescription to prevent this."
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WOOHOO lets all drag a teenage girls' personal life through the mud for political gain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gotta point out that hypocracy of the other side while ignoring our own!
I agree it's a shame that this happens, but she's running for VP of the united states during the information age, everything is on the table...both sides do it, and it says more about our country as a whole, than either party individually.
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I feel sorry for the girl - and what was her mother thinking, agreeing to the VP thing and knowing this would come out? I think that's way creepy.
This I think is the point of it all...it seems she's more interested in her political gain then the public judging/bashing (which I think is wrong) of her daughter. This is not the family values that the republicans speak of.:(
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I agree it's a shame that this happens, but she's running for VP of the united states during the information age, everything is on the table...both sides do it, and it says more about our country as a whole, than either party individually.
Ain't that the truth.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
When you endorse abstinence only programs, there's going to be backlash when one of your children becomes pregnant out of wedlock. Especially when you're running for a very publicized office. This is today's politics. You attack them however you can instead of debating them.
I'm glad Obama is rising above it all. Apparently families aren't off limits though. Anyone remember when Mccain himself made a shitty joke about chelsea clinton back in 98?
Families "should" be off limits. It's cowardly...that goes for mccain and chelsea clinton comments too.
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They should be, but they aren't It's a shitty reality that doesn't even come close to matching up with what we wish were real.
I'm not even a huge obama fan, but I'm glad he's taking this stance on it. I hope it really is politics for change...I don't like some of his politics, but this is one change I could agree with him on.
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I'm sure she can still claim to have good family values....whatever that means.
Being a Christian doesn't mean being perfect.
I'm sure there are plenty of parents and non-pregnant teens who are more (for lack of a better term) fucked up than Palin or her daughter.
I guess it was only a matter of time before this tacky thread was started.
I agree, God forgives, so they say, but it's the republicans that since Reagan, have touted to be high and mighty, though the last several years have proven differently. It's just a marketing ploy, as most of it is.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
are you actually saying we should adress issues and leave personal belief systems out of politics ?
fuck yeah, I'm in.
it's impossible to address issues, some of which are personal in nature and NOT bring a personal belief system into the equation. And politics is all about thinking that "my" personal belief system is the best. But yes, I agree we should limit it and actually address the issues, rather than the dog and pony show that is national politics right now.
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I don't know what Palin's DAUGHTER being pregnant has to do with family values.
I'm sure Palin wasn't high-fiving her daughter upon hearing the news and saying, "Way to have a bastard!"
The truth is, people screw up. Teenagers especially screw up. Sarah Palin's daughter screwed up. But I don't see how that means Sarah Palin has poor family values.
My parents had impeccable values. That doesn't mean I didn't fuck up from time to time growing up.
Teenagers fuck up, sometimes royally. It's pretty much their job, and not always a reflection on the parents.
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I don't know what Palin's DAUGHTER being pregnant has to do with family values.
I'm sure Palin wasn't high-fiving her daughter upon hearing the news and saying, "Way to have a bastard!"
The truth is, people screw up. Teenagers especially screw up. Sarah Palin's daughter screwed up. But I don't see how that means Sarah Palin has poor family values.
My parents had impeccable values. That doesn't mean I didn't fuck up from time to time growing up.
Teenagers fuck up, sometimes royally. It's pretty much their job, and not always a reflection on the parents.
While I wouldn't say it's a reflection of her mohter's values, I do think that to some extent it's a reflection of the efficacy of her mother's methods of pregnancy prevention, which she is set to impose on the rest of the country. That's what I find troubling.
Well, that and the conservative attitude that only whores get pregnant out of wedlock. If every good, conservative family had a pregnant teenage daughter (and knew about it) maybe they wouldn't be so quick to judge. And I think the judgement that so often comes from the right is what has fueled the backlash in light of these developments.
While I wouldn't say it's a reflection of her mohter's values, I do think that to some extent it's a reflection of the efficacy of her mother's methods of pregnancy prevention, which she is set to impose on the rest of the country. That's what I find troubling.
You may have a point; however, are there any stats out there of teenagers who get pregnant while going through a "safe sex" sex education class? The bottom line is that even with education of safe sex, unwanted pregnancies still happen. So to point a finger and say, see how abstinence only education failed, you have to point and say the safe sex education fails too.
Well, that and the conservative attitude that only whores get pregnant out of wedlock. If every good, conservative family had a pregnant teenage daughter (and knew about it) maybe they wouldn't be so quick to judge. And I think the judgement that so often comes from the right is what has fueled the backlash in light of these developments.
well said.
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You may have a point; however, are there any stats out there of teenagers who get pregnant while going through a "safe sex" sex education class? The bottom line is that even with education of safe sex, unwanted pregnancies still happen. So to point a finger and say, see how abstinence only education failed, you have to point and say the safe sex education fails too.
You're right that unwanted pregnancies are always going to be a reality...but in a same sex education where abstinence, condom use and birth control are all incorporated into one program, and students feel free to ask questions, the number of pregnancies would be far far lower. Which would mean far far less abortions. Good for everyone. What they also need to do is make condoms and birth control easily, readily and discreetly available to women. This is often impossible because many times doctors will refuse to provide this type of treatment.
WOOHOO lets all drag a teenage girls' personal life through the mud for political gain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gotta point out that hypocracy of the other side while ignoring our own!
Who's dragging who? Mama made the decision to drag her daughter and her daughter's sex life out into the glaring public light so Mama could benefit from the political circus for own gain. In my opinion, Palin is exploiting her child to get a shot at being president. The press is going to do what the press is going to do. If Mama isn't smart enough to know what that is, she isn't smart enough to be president. But, I think she's plenty smart, but doesn't care what she does to others so long as she benefits. That is my impression of the woman.
we all feel like throwing molotov cocktails every now and again.
I'm all for throwing molotov cocktails at this left-wing establishment. And if you think this government is right-wing, you need to be questioning...your educationnn
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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know what as a fact? that she endorses abstinence only programs?
I agree that christians and republicans have no claim on family values, and abstonance only education is bullshit.
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Don't forget he's a Maverick and he can do, say and choose whomever he wants.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
yes, it would be the same...dragging kids and dragging a problem like that out into the public light for political gain or ratings on a tv show is a DISGRACE. Oh, abstinence works every time...last I checked. Is it realistic? most likely not.
Abstinence works....... until it doesn't.
no, do you know that she would " be railing against the failures of the parents and touting her own abstinence-only views as the best prescription to prevent this."
I agree it's a shame that this happens, but she's running for VP of the united states during the information age, everything is on the table...both sides do it, and it says more about our country as a whole, than either party individually.
Stop by:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
Ain't that the truth.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Families "should" be off limits. It's cowardly...that goes for mccain and chelsea clinton comments too.
They should be, but they aren't It's a shitty reality that doesn't even come close to matching up with what we wish were real.
I'm not even a huge obama fan, but I'm glad he's taking this stance on it. I hope it really is politics for change...I don't like some of his politics, but this is one change I could agree with him on.
I agree, God forgives, so they say, but it's the republicans that since Reagan, have touted to be high and mighty, though the last several years have proven differently. It's just a marketing ploy, as most of it is.
Stop by:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
oh give me a break.
I didn't point it out. I commented on a public story.
are you actually saying we should adress issues and leave personal belief systems out of politics ?
fuck yeah, I'm in.
it's impossible to address issues, some of which are personal in nature and NOT bring a personal belief system into the equation. And politics is all about thinking that "my" personal belief system is the best. But yes, I agree we should limit it and actually address the issues, rather than the dog and pony show that is national politics right now.
I'm sure Palin wasn't high-fiving her daughter upon hearing the news and saying, "Way to have a bastard!"
The truth is, people screw up. Teenagers especially screw up. Sarah Palin's daughter screwed up. But I don't see how that means Sarah Palin has poor family values.
My parents had impeccable values. That doesn't mean I didn't fuck up from time to time growing up.
Teenagers fuck up, sometimes royally. It's pretty much their job, and not always a reflection on the parents.
for the least they could possibly do
While I wouldn't say it's a reflection of her mohter's values, I do think that to some extent it's a reflection of the efficacy of her mother's methods of pregnancy prevention, which she is set to impose on the rest of the country. That's what I find troubling.
Well, that and the conservative attitude that only whores get pregnant out of wedlock. If every good, conservative family had a pregnant teenage daughter (and knew about it) maybe they wouldn't be so quick to judge. And I think the judgement that so often comes from the right is what has fueled the backlash in light of these developments.
it's quite evident in her self-professed political views.
You just started a thread entitled "Sarah Palin is preggers again apparently...from her favorite surrogate...her daughter."
Tell me how that is addressing issues.
Yer an embarrassment to the "corporate whore" sn family.
-Enoch Powell
well said.
You're right that unwanted pregnancies are always going to be a reality...but in a same sex education where abstinence, condom use and birth control are all incorporated into one program, and students feel free to ask questions, the number of pregnancies would be far far lower. Which would mean far far less abortions. Good for everyone. What they also need to do is make condoms and birth control easily, readily and discreetly available to women. This is often impossible because many times doctors will refuse to provide this type of treatment.
yeah yeah yeah so, sue me!
we all feel like throwing molotov cocktails every now and again.
Imagine if your job was so fucking pathetic that it consisted of invading the private lives of 17 year olds to find out whether they got knocked up.
Everyone who views that as the media's job should take a good long look in the mirror and then punch themselves in the face.
-Enoch Powell
Who's dragging who? Mama made the decision to drag her daughter and her daughter's sex life out into the glaring public light so Mama could benefit from the political circus for own gain. In my opinion, Palin is exploiting her child to get a shot at being president. The press is going to do what the press is going to do. If Mama isn't smart enough to know what that is, she isn't smart enough to be president. But, I think she's plenty smart, but doesn't care what she does to others so long as she benefits. That is my impression of the woman.
I'm all for throwing molotov cocktails at this left-wing establishment. And if you think this government is right-wing, you need to be questioning...your educationnn
-Enoch Powell