myspace: video of Koran shot up, then left in front of mosque...FBI called in

decides2dream

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

well yeah, but little things like that bring out the humor in these kinds of situations

sure. but if we want to get really technical about it, isn't it actually Qu'ran?
oh wait, or Qur'an? i think the latter. yikes, now i am unsure.


btw - side note i saw one of the most beautiful handwritten/illuminated Qur'ans at the brooklyn museum.

Pearl Jam and toast

jeffbr wrote:

Both acts are destruction of inanimate objects. Both are desecration of symbols people hold dear. Both are done for shock value.

That's true, but the two acts are not the same thing. The shooting (or burning, whatever) of the Qur'an (;)) was dangerous. It was used as a threat (and on top of that, a racially/religiously motivated threat).

I understand that burning the flag can be a threat too, but as long as your in this country it's your right to do so.

If someone burns a flag you don't punish the burning, you punish them for threatening someone if they put it outside a judge's house or something.

Simply burning the flag is non threatening, and to make a crime against it isn't going to accomplish anything. It's just going to further make our government seem like a bunch of McCarthyist nuts.

truroute

I personally only think that the only threat this billybob of a honkie possibly made what the "anyone that kills a muslim" bit on his site. Even then, its only talk.

His shootin' a KOORAN (sp) and tossin' in a mosque isn't really a theat, but more of a provocation. More like saying, "Fuck you I dont like you." But that IMO of course. And just to clarify, I'm not taking this retard's side by anymeans. Should the moron get charged w/ something? Yup. What? IDK, im not a cop or prosecutor, but for the FBI to get called in is stupid IMO.

Jam-fan

what the guy did is unforgivable, and the fbi has every right to intervene and investigate. throwing the bullet riddled quran against the mosque is a blatant act of violence and agression. people like this only want attention though, and the media being what whores they are are always obliged to give it to them. i just still can't believe that there are still people in this world so devoid of compassion that they feel the best way to express themselves is to shoot a holy book. it's sad and repulsive.

Pearl Jam and toast

truroute wrote:

I personally only think that the only threat this billybob of a honkie possibly made what the "anyone that kills a muslim" bit on his site. Even then, its only talk.

His shootin' a KOORAN (sp) and tossin' in a mosque isn't really a theat, but more of a provocation. More like saying, "Fuck you I dont like you." But that IMO of course. And just to clarify, I'm not taking this retard's side by anymeans. Should the moron get charged w/ something? Yup. What? IDK, im not a cop or prosecutor, but for the FBI to get called in is stupid IMO.

He shot the holy book of a religion and stuck it on their doorstep.

that's a threat. It's not as bad as the website, but it's definetly a threat.

rightondude

PaperPlates wrote:

What if a guy wants to roast marshmellows, and all he has to make a fire is a copy of the koran? Is that okay?

you have to bless and offer the marshmellows to allah first I think. Kinda like it's ok to fart in your own car.

Pearl Jam and toast

rightondude wrote:

you have to bless and offer the marshmellows to allah first I think.

what about the grahm and chocolate bar that come into contact with the holy mallow?

moeaholic

Jam-fan wrote:

i just still can't believe that there are still people in this world so devoid of compassion that they feel the best way to express themselves is to shoot a holy book. it's sad and repulsive.

how do you feel about "art exhibits" showing a crucifix in a jar of piss?

Pearl Jam and toast

moeaholic wrote:

how do you feel about "art exhibits" showing a crucifix in a jar of piss?

As long as the jar's air tight so i can't smell it, whatever.

rightondude

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

what about the grahm and chocolate bar that come into contact with the holy mallow?

hehe...those are the real sins

the holy mallow...oh man rofl...

moeaholic

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

As long as the jar's air tight so i can't smell it, whatever.

doesn't surprise me one bit.

and i'd still like the original person i asked to answer that question.

rightondude

decides2dream wrote:

sure. but if we want to get really technical about it, isn't it actually Qu'ran?
oh wait, or Qur'an? i think the latter. yikes, now i am unsure.


btw - side note i saw one of the most beautiful handwritten/illuminated Qur'ans at the brooklyn museum.

Yikes! hey you're right. No 72 virgins in heaven for me. I always wondered what happens when you deflower all those virgins?

Is heaven kinda over for you at that point?

PaperPlates

rightondude wrote:

Yikes! hey you're right. No 72 virgins in heaven for me. I always wondered what happens when you deflower all those virgins?

Is heaven kinda over for you at that point?

Its Virginians. Small misprint. And Virginia is for lovers.

decides2dream

moeaholic wrote:

how do you feel about "art exhibits" showing a crucifix in a jar of piss?

actually, it's a photograph of a crucifix in a jar of piss to be accurate. have you ever seen it? it's actually a beautiful image. sure, enitiling it piss christ is meant to garner attention/shock...b/c otherwise, you'd have no idea that it's urine.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/502.html

doesnt' really even do it justice - it is luminous and really ethereal to behold.

point is, whatever reason the artist choose, he didn't follow it thru with rhetoric wishing for killing or death, didn't throw it at a church, etc. artistic expression is far different than passive-agressive acts out in the world.

also too, kinda like the bruhaha over an image of the madonna a few years back at the brooklyn museum. the artist used elphant dung appparently in its creation, people got all up in arms over that. the artist said it was a common and respectful medium in africa, and his art was based on a similar style. some just like to get up in arms, and ya know what? the artists don't mind at all..they get 10X the exposure/attention they'd get otherwise from the usual art crowd.

truroute

Jam-fan wrote:

what the guy did is unforgivable, and the fbi has every right to intervene and investigate. throwing the bullet riddled quran against the mosque is a blatant act of violence and agression. people like this only want attention though, and the media being what whores they are are always obliged to give it to them. i just still can't believe that there are still people in this world so devoid of compassion that they feel the best way to express themselves is to shoot a holy book. it's sad and repulsive.

Unforgivable? Are you serious? The way you speak, you're one them that got OH SO OFFENDED when a Kuran, Quran, Qu'ran (whatever) was (supposedly) peed on. The retard shot a BOOK. The retard then tossed the BOOK in front of a BUILDING. The retard then said he like people that kill muslims. That can/will be taken as a threat I guess. But he only said it. This moron was doing nothing but trying to incite anger. Nothing more, nothing less.

Shit that happens all the time on this message board. Where's the FBI on here?

truroute

PaperPlates wrote:

Its Virginians. Small misprint. And Virginia is for lovers.

Virginia also has intercourse...............B==D --> {()}

moeaholic

decides2dream wrote:

point is, whatever reason the artist choose, he didn't follow it thru with rhetoric wishing for killing or death, didn't throw it at a church, etc. artistic expression is far different than passive-agressive acts out in the world.

you're right, but the person i quoted had said "i just still can't believe that there are still people in this world so devoid of compassion that they feel the best way to express themselves is to shoot a holy book. it's sad and repulsive."

nothing there about being disgusted in the fact that the person would put some kind of hero worship for others that killed or wanted to kill muslims. just that he was saddened and repulsed that someone shot the koran (i've seen it spelled a million different ways, i pick the easy way to spell it.)

WindNoSail

PC alert....so for the sake of argument the guy is strange, disrespectful, maybe even dangerous. But is the only reason this is a story is because it is the Koran? Does the FBI show up every time someone does something stupid or weird or even dangerous?

Unless the guns were illegal, there is no crime here. Unless you live under a religious run state.

Edit: Now if he threatened a person with this action, that might be different. Does throwing the book against the mosque meet that standard? Don't know.

Pearl Jam and toast

WindNoSail wrote:

Edit: Now if he threatened a person with this action, that might be different. Does throwing the book against the mosque meet that standard? Don't know.

That's the question.

Ask yourself, if someone took your holy book, shot it full of holes, and then threw it on your front porch would you consider it a threat?

Especially considering who this is coming from (dude has a website even :rolleyes: ) i think in this situation it's definetly an aggressive, violent act and a threat.

rightondude

PaperPlates wrote:

Its Virginians. Small misprint. And Virginia is for lovers.

You get to bang 72 Virginians? whoa! not the ones from west Virginia I hope, they already kinda already keep it in the family

(hehe...Sorry WV). I liked the folk in Charlotte Virginia and the place itself. Spent a few weeks there.