yeah yeah yeah. the sky is falling, we're all gonna die, fight the power, bla bla bla. actually i do think the shit is gonna hit the fan sooner or later (it always does), but I'm not to the point where i think its time to riot in the streets just yet. besides, no real change will happen until it does, so im kinda looking forward to it. Crisis brings focus. I'm just trying to get myself setup as a warlord of a small well defended settlement for when the radiated zombies and raiders start ravaging the wasteland.
I'm telling you doomsayers, forget investing in gold. You need to be investing in ammo, radiation suits, and canned goods!
(wow that post really evolved as i wrote it!)
MrSmith,
Do you really buy the status quo as something more than a hack-job fabrication?
I'm not saying you have to put your hat on and go for 911 truth and JFK paranoia ... but some healthy skepticism goes a long way.
You really believe that any of those politicians give more than half a diarrheal shit about your well being?
Not only are promises of "universal" healthcare simply placations to get you to pick one of two false choices ... they want you to pick from both sides ...
one side gets them the war and restrictive policies on personal liberties,
and when you get sick of that, the other side gives them the added bonus of socialized services which give them your money ... with which they are free to start more wars, that they can profit from.
And no that is not conspiracy theory.
That IS how the world works. And it is pretty much that simple.
Simple.
Placate the the simple people. Keep them "content" so they don't ask questions about what the big boys are really doing. The big boys, the ones who unethicaly put you in a house you couldn't afford, took your money then, will take your house from you soon, and who will take any wealth you may have happened to save, and all that you will acquire in the future by the value which falls from your dollar each time they print up another dollar to hand out to you your "free" consolations.
Don't think he "changed his mind" and put up the "conspiracy crap". He knew the truth, and he sold out for power. Plain and simple.
The right to live truly free has been corrupted and stolen by the large money interests, and the american people still think that the peoples fight is a fight between McCain and Hillary. As if EITHER of them will lead us to salvation.
My friends, the entire field (imho, save one) is nothing more than the PR department of a big machine that just wants you to smile and do your little bobble-head dance.
:mad:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If you can't see a profound difference in the judges that Bush appointed and the judges that Clinton appointed you are fucking delusional. Thats on top of other issues like education, college funding and other issues that don't seem to get much traction with people who like to quote "revolutionary" lyrics. Have fun doing whatever you're doing to make a difference, I'll be working in state politics for the party that "isn't different from republicans" to try to make sure that schools have adequate funding and consumers are protected.
if you think that the policy and agenda Clinton had is any different from what Bush is doing you are the one that is delusional my friend.stop falling for this WWF style FAKE OPPOSITION! Clinton was only laying the ground for Bush to do what he has done,just as Bush is laying ground for the next scum-bag that takes office.They all work toward the same "final goal".
and don't go jumping on your high horse just yet,i do plenty for "the cause".I am a patriot and i love my country!!
education? that's funny.we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel as far as education goes.we were once the most educated country in the world,now we are at the bottom of the list as far as industrialized nations go,BUT!!!,that is because it is a deliberate dumbing down.Ignorant morons are a lot easier to subjugate.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Its beginning to lool like the democrats just may be stupid enough to do just that. Any one of the republican candidates, (yes, even Huckabee) beats hillary clinton. i guarantee it. If the democrats nominate clinton THEY LOSE. Hands down. If every single registered democrat in the country show up to vote for hillary in the general (which will not happen), she STILL loses. She has just a little above ZERO independant support. She will even lose some of the democrat vote to the republican candidate. Factor in the almost guaranteed candidacy of a third party or independant that always hurts the democratic candidate much more than it does the republican, and SHE HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING. NONE. i don't care how badly bush has messed shit up. Hillary will not win a general election. Bet everything you have on that.
Republicans wish this was true, and will go down hard still spewing this rhetoric, but no way Huckabee beens any Democrat, he even scares other Republicans, Libertarians especially, and Independents. McCain would be good competition, but will be easy to attack for becoming Bush's lacky, Romney will keep many evangelicals home, Guliana doesn't even have a chance, and Thompson is a joke at best.
It'll be a Democrat in the White House, or worst case scenario, Mike Bloomberg.
Best case scenario Obama wins, that will be a big blow to the Washington establishment on both sides of the aisle.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
Republicans wish this was true, and will go down hard still spewing this rhetoric, but no way Huckabee beens any Democrat, he even scares other Republicans
If you really think Hillary is a shoo-in to get elected against any Repub, you're going to be very, very disappointed.
Every Republican on Earth will vote for Huckabee if it's a choice between him and Hillary. Every single one. Of this, there is no doubt.
I think you are grossly underestimating the right's unadulterated hatred of Hillary. They will come out to vote against her in droves. In droves.
Best case scenario Obama wins, that will be a big blow to the Washington establishment on both sides of the aisle.
DO you really believe this? He's a corporate candidate, just like the rest of them. Don't buy the rhetoric. It will be business as usual.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If you really think Hillary is a shoo-in to get elected against any Repub, you're going to be very, very disappointed.
Every Republican on Earth will vote for Huckabee if it's a choice between him and Hillary. Every single one. Of this, there is no doubt.
I think you are grossly underestimating the right's unadulterated hatred of Hillary. They will come out to vote against her in droves. In droves.
DO you really believe this? He's a corporate candidate, just like the rest of them. Don't buy the rhetoric. It will be business as usual.
The karl rove spin machine hates Hillary, you forget that republicans are followers, as show by doing everything they idiot in office told them to do until Dem's took their power from them in congress, through Dem's don't really have any power with their current numbers in congress.
Once it's a national dem vs repub race, the republicans can lie, cheat, and steal all they want, they will not be able to run from their record under Bush.
I would say more republicans will stay home instead of vote, than come together against the wrong candidate. They Hillary hatred thing is spin, it's a joke, it's the same ol bs, afraid to take on the tough questions and debate what's important, let's just rag on a candidate for months, years instead. bush is president because Karl Rove is a marketing and manipulative genius, not because he is in anyway competent.
I'm ranting, we can revisit this in November when the republican party is embarrassed, and finally get's the reality that THEY are furthest from what Americans truely want and need.
quick addition: no one on the Republican side, except Ron Paul, will change a thing. In fact I accept a lot of the same from the, none of them can claim to be for change.
Oh, and Chuck Norris is an idiot, though he can still kill us all with a glance, lol
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
The republicans are divided between christian conservatives, libertarians, and elite wall street types, among others. the evangelicals take Huckabee or Thompson, the libertarian types favor McCain or Paul, and the big money is behind Romney.
The Huckabee guys would never back the others , especially social liberals like Romney and Giuliani. The less religious types wont back Huckabee/Thompson. The corporations might flee the party if anyone but Romney wins. The whole republican party is falling apart at the seams.
luckily, Hillary is gonna win the democratic nomination. she's the republican party's savior. They will unite together to take her down. She is too hated.
Republican in the white house in '09.
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So... is it wise to vote for the candidate who says he wants to change the Constitution to bring it in line with God's Standards... because of hatred for the other candidate? Shouldn't Americans be more interested in uniting America... than their own political party?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
If you really think Hillary is a shoo-in to get elected against any Repub, you're going to be very, very disappointed.
Every Republican on Earth will vote for Huckabee if it's a choice between him and Hillary. Every single one. Of this, there is no doubt.
I think you are grossly underestimating the right's unadulterated hatred of Hillary. They will come out to vote against her in droves. In droves.
I hate to burst bubbles, but there are at least two of Republicans I know who wouldn't want to associate themselves with Huckabee. So, I think we can pretty much put to rest your statement that every single Republican will vote for him in a choice between him and Hillary. But, I don't think that's a choice we're going to have to worry about. Have you seen the caucus results lately? Large parts of the right do dislike Hillary, but the right wingers are not the majority in this country.
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So... is it wise to vote for the candidate who says he wants to change the Constitution to bring it in line with God's Standards... because of hatred for the other candidate? Shouldn't Americans be more interested in uniting America... than their own political party?
yes we should...but we're not. American politics is all about winning...it's a big contest to see who can win NOT who can lead the country. Most of the front runners are power greedy candidates. They care about helping themselves adn not others.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
Hate is irrational.. alot of irrational people hate Hillary...
don't hang your hat on that.. the conservatives have had the white house for going on 8 years and have done more damage to this country than they could have had they been doing it on purpose.
I hate to burst bubbles, but there are at least two of Republicans I know who wouldn't want to associate themselves with Huckabee. So, I think we can pretty much put to rest your statement that every single Republican will vote for him in a choice between him and Hillary. But, I don't think that's a choice we're going to have to worry about. Have you seen the caucus results lately? Large parts of the right do dislike Hillary, but the right wingers are not the majority in this country.
Hate is irrational.. alot of irrational people hate Hillary...
don't hang your hat on that.. the conservatives have had the white house for going on 8 years and have done more damage to this country than they could have had they been doing it on purpose.
Hillary can win.
A lot of irrational people also vote. Hillary can't win. Sorry.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
After George W Bush was re-elected, you can still say someone can't win?
Actually, the reason GW won is the same reason Hillary won't: There are more conservatives in this country than liberals. And they all came out to support their boy.
They will all come out again to vote against Hillary. I'm telling you. I understand these people.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Actually, the reason GW won is the same reason Hillary won't: There are more conservatives in this country than liberals. And they all came out to support their boy.
They will all come out again to vote against Hillary. I'm telling you. I understand these people.
After George W Bush was re-elected, you can still say someone can't win?
Think about it for a minute. George W. WAS reelected. That should tell you something right there. Democrats seem to be banking on the fact that Dubya fucked things up so bad that there is no way the dems can lose this time. Foolish thinking, pal. Hillary will not win a general election. i guaranfuckingtee it. Trust me on this. Nominate Hillary and lose. Flat out. i'm not a gambling man. i'm to broke to gamble, but i'd be willing to wager on this fact. Hillary will not win a general election. She may win the nomination, but that is the dumbest thing democrats could do. She stands no chance against any of them. Huckabee included.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Actually, the reason GW won is the same reason Hillary won't: There are more conservatives in this country than liberals. And they all came out to support their boy.
They will all come out again to vote against Hillary. I'm telling you. I understand these people.
Well, that is close to ture - there are many red neck angry ignorant Americans.
That is why general elections are a bad idea as long as we have television.
I am not a democrat, but surely the democrats should not consider getting dumb and angry so they can get elected.
Yes, that worked for the other side - hopefully another strategy can work.
Make no mistake. The Clintons will stop at nothing to get elected. Hillary believes this is her destiny. She's been pre-ordained as president. She has so many opportunities for this country, if we'd just let her offer them. ~sniff~
I hate her more than I like any other candidate in the race, on either side of the aisle.
why do you hate her? because she's determined to win?
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Think about it for a minute. George W. WAS reelected. That should tell you something right there. Democrats seem to be banking on the fact that Dubya fucked things up so bad that there is no way the dems can lose this time. Foolish thinking, pal. Hillary will not win a general election. i guaranfuckingtee it. Trust me on this. Nominate Hillary and lose. Flat out. i'm not a gambling man. i'm to broke to gamble, but i'd be willing to wager on this fact. Hillary will not win a general election. She may win the nomination, but that is the dumbest thing democrats could do. She stands no chance against any of them. Huckabee included.
i agree. it needs to be an edwards/obama ticket (or edwards/someone-other-than-hillary ticket) in order for us to win this thing.
been saying this all along about hillary. but then, i'm used to being ahead of the curve around here.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
why do you hate her? because she's determined to sawin?
i can't speak for slightofjeff, but i hate her perhaps more than he does and it has nothing to with what you call a "determination to win". It is the lying, cheating, slandering, intimidating and do whatever it takes to win at the expense of the American people and integrity of our democratic institutions. Neither her or her husband can tell the truth to save their lives. She is dispicable and nauseating. The United States desperately needs a leader and a uniter, and hillary is neither.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Comments
Do you really buy the status quo as something more than a hack-job fabrication?
I'm not saying you have to put your hat on and go for 911 truth and JFK paranoia ... but some healthy skepticism goes a long way.
You really believe that any of those politicians give more than half a diarrheal shit about your well being?
Not only are promises of "universal" healthcare simply placations to get you to pick one of two false choices ... they want you to pick from both sides ...
one side gets them the war and restrictive policies on personal liberties,
and when you get sick of that, the other side gives them the added bonus of socialized services which give them your money ... with which they are free to start more wars, that they can profit from.
And no that is not conspiracy theory.
That IS how the world works. And it is pretty much that simple.
Simple.
Placate the the simple people. Keep them "content" so they don't ask questions about what the big boys are really doing. The big boys, the ones who unethicaly put you in a house you couldn't afford, took your money then, will take your house from you soon, and who will take any wealth you may have happened to save, and all that you will acquire in the future by the value which falls from your dollar each time they print up another dollar to hand out to you your "free" consolations.
Read these two posts
where i pasted an essay by Alan Greenspan BEFORE he was bought off.
Don't think he "changed his mind" and put up the "conspiracy crap". He knew the truth, and he sold out for power. Plain and simple.
The right to live truly free has been corrupted and stolen by the large money interests, and the american people still think that the peoples fight is a fight between McCain and Hillary. As if EITHER of them will lead us to salvation.
My friends, the entire field (imho, save one) is nothing more than the PR department of a big machine that just wants you to smile and do your little bobble-head dance.
:mad:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
you two make a perfect couple.
hey i will stay out of the elementary school camera work you do...and you stay out of my posts
if you think that the policy and agenda Clinton had is any different from what Bush is doing you are the one that is delusional my friend.stop falling for this WWF style FAKE OPPOSITION! Clinton was only laying the ground for Bush to do what he has done,just as Bush is laying ground for the next scum-bag that takes office.They all work toward the same "final goal".
and don't go jumping on your high horse just yet,i do plenty for "the cause".I am a patriot and i love my country!!
education? that's funny.we are scrapping the bottom of the barrel as far as education goes.we were once the most educated country in the world,now we are at the bottom of the list as far as industrialized nations go,BUT!!!,that is because it is a deliberate dumbing down.Ignorant morons are a lot easier to subjugate.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Republicans wish this was true, and will go down hard still spewing this rhetoric, but no way Huckabee beens any Democrat, he even scares other Republicans, Libertarians especially, and Independents. McCain would be good competition, but will be easy to attack for becoming Bush's lacky, Romney will keep many evangelicals home, Guliana doesn't even have a chance, and Thompson is a joke at best.
It'll be a Democrat in the White House, or worst case scenario, Mike Bloomberg.
Best case scenario Obama wins, that will be a big blow to the Washington establishment on both sides of the aisle.
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If you really think Hillary is a shoo-in to get elected against any Repub, you're going to be very, very disappointed.
Every Republican on Earth will vote for Huckabee if it's a choice between him and Hillary. Every single one. Of this, there is no doubt.
I think you are grossly underestimating the right's unadulterated hatred of Hillary. They will come out to vote against her in droves. In droves.
DO you really believe this? He's a corporate candidate, just like the rest of them. Don't buy the rhetoric. It will be business as usual.
for the least they could possibly do
The karl rove spin machine hates Hillary, you forget that republicans are followers, as show by doing everything they idiot in office told them to do until Dem's took their power from them in congress, through Dem's don't really have any power with their current numbers in congress.
Once it's a national dem vs repub race, the republicans can lie, cheat, and steal all they want, they will not be able to run from their record under Bush.
I would say more republicans will stay home instead of vote, than come together against the wrong candidate. They Hillary hatred thing is spin, it's a joke, it's the same ol bs, afraid to take on the tough questions and debate what's important, let's just rag on a candidate for months, years instead. bush is president because Karl Rove is a marketing and manipulative genius, not because he is in anyway competent.
I'm ranting, we can revisit this in November when the republican party is embarrassed, and finally get's the reality that THEY are furthest from what Americans truely want and need.
quick addition: no one on the Republican side, except Ron Paul, will change a thing. In fact I accept a lot of the same from the, none of them can claim to be for change.
Oh, and Chuck Norris is an idiot, though he can still kill us all with a glance, lol
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For democrats, its the ONLY case scenario. i'm telling you very assuredly that hillary beats noone, not even huckabee, in a general election. period.
So... is it wise to vote for the candidate who says he wants to change the Constitution to bring it in line with God's Standards... because of hatred for the other candidate? Shouldn't Americans be more interested in uniting America... than their own political party?
Hail, Hail!!!
I hate to burst bubbles, but there are at least two of Republicans I know who wouldn't want to associate themselves with Huckabee. So, I think we can pretty much put to rest your statement that every single Republican will vote for him in a choice between him and Hillary. But, I don't think that's a choice we're going to have to worry about. Have you seen the caucus results lately? Large parts of the right do dislike Hillary, but the right wingers are not the majority in this country.
http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/18/huckabee_connections/permalink/56430d22e6e453765fb92296e45e8b57.html
Or.. we all lose.
Hail, Hail!!!
yes we should...but we're not. American politics is all about winning...it's a big contest to see who can win NOT who can lead the country. Most of the front runners are power greedy candidates. They care about helping themselves adn not others.
don't hang your hat on that.. the conservatives have had the white house for going on 8 years and have done more damage to this country than they could have had they been doing it on purpose.
Hillary can win.
OK, every single Republican but two.
for the least they could possibly do
A lot of irrational people also vote. Hillary can't win. Sorry.
for the least they could possibly do
After George W Bush was re-elected, you can still say someone can't win?
Actually, the reason GW won is the same reason Hillary won't: There are more conservatives in this country than liberals. And they all came out to support their boy.
They will all come out again to vote against Hillary. I'm telling you. I understand these people.
for the least they could possibly do
actually, that's a good point. But they did. Because the other choice was John Kerry.
for the least they could possibly do
Think about it for a minute. George W. WAS reelected. That should tell you something right there. Democrats seem to be banking on the fact that Dubya fucked things up so bad that there is no way the dems can lose this time. Foolish thinking, pal. Hillary will not win a general election. i guaranfuckingtee it. Trust me on this. Nominate Hillary and lose. Flat out. i'm not a gambling man. i'm to broke to gamble, but i'd be willing to wager on this fact. Hillary will not win a general election. She may win the nomination, but that is the dumbest thing democrats could do. She stands no chance against any of them. Huckabee included.
Well, that is close to ture - there are many red neck angry ignorant Americans.
That is why general elections are a bad idea as long as we have television.
I am not a democrat, but surely the democrats should not consider getting dumb and angry so they can get elected.
Yes, that worked for the other side - hopefully another strategy can work.
why do you hate her? because she's determined to win?
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
i agree. it needs to be an edwards/obama ticket (or edwards/someone-other-than-hillary ticket) in order for us to win this thing.
been saying this all along about hillary. but then, i'm used to being ahead of the curve around here.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
She just makes me so mad. George is getting upset.
for the least they could possibly do
You've got the Edwards/Obama thing backwards. Obama/Edwards would work out.
i can't speak for slightofjeff, but i hate her perhaps more than he does and it has nothing to with what you call a "determination to win". It is the lying, cheating, slandering, intimidating and do whatever it takes to win at the expense of the American people and integrity of our democratic institutions. Neither her or her husband can tell the truth to save their lives. She is dispicable and nauseating. The United States desperately needs a leader and a uniter, and hillary is neither.