Hillary Clinton will unite the republican party.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

The republicans are divided between christian conservatives, libertarians, and elite wall street types, among others. the evangelicals take Huckabee or Thompson, the libertarian types favor McCain or Paul, and the big money is behind Romney.

The Huckabee guys would never back the others , especially social liberals like Romney and Giuliani. The less religious types wont back Huckabee/Thompson. The corporations might flee the party if anyone but Romney wins. The whole republican party is falling apart at the seams.

luckily, Hillary is gonna win the democratic nomination. she's the republican party's savior. They will unite together to take her down. She is too hated.

Republican in the white house in '09.

sweetpotato

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=266004

JamMastaE

democrat,republican.

there is no fucking difference,only in appearance not in policy,it's a fucking facade!! a puppet show for all the morons who think they have a say.

how do you not see this?

how do people let themselves be duped by these silver-spooned devils?

Hillary is an evil cunt that doesn't give two shits about you or this country!she is just another boot-licking servant for those who really run shit.And that goes for all the republicans too.(save Ron Paul)

and all the zombies can scream conspiracy as they struggle to maintain a blissful ignorance.but shit is ready to start crashing down around you and we will see if you can maintain your slumber in the midst of a very rude awakening.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

JamMastaE wrote:

democrat,republican.

there is no fucking difference,only in appearance not in policy,it's a fucking facade!! a puppet show for all the morons who think they have a say.

how do you not see this?

how do people let themselves be duped by these silver-spooned devils?

Hillary is an evil cunt that doesn't give two shits about you or this country!she is just another boot-licking servant for those who really run shit.And that goes for all the republicans too.(save Ron Paul)

and all the zombies can scream conspiracy as they struggle to maintain a blissful ignorance.but shit is ready to start crashing down around you and we will see if you can maintain your slumber in the midst of a very rude awakening.

you're wrong. i little. there are minute differences. Its easier to just say they are all the same and just ignore reality to maintain your own blissful ignorance, but eventually you have to make a choice of the lesser evil. Or choose a third party guy. i have no problem with that, but it wont make any difference in the end.


for instance, a candidate that raises taxes is different than one that wont, and some of these guys will and some wont. And that affects me, so i will listen. I couldnt really care less about most social issues, but many do, and the candidates have wildy different views on these issues. Some want to change the constitution in differing ways, etc.

cornnifer

MrSmith wrote:

The republicans are divided between christian conservatives, libertarians, and elite wall street types, among others. the evangelicals take Huckabee or Thompson, the libertarian types favor McCain or Paul, and the big money is behind Romney.

The Huckabee guys would never back the others , especially social liberals like Romney and Giuliani. The less religious types wont back Huckabee/Thompson. The corporations might flee the party if anyone but Romney wins. The whole republican party is falling apart at the seams.

luckily, Hillary is gonna win the democratic nomination. she's the republican party's savior. They will unite together to take her down. She is too hated.

Republican in the white house in '09.

i agree with most pf your assessment. i'm not as sure, yet, as you are that she will actually win the nomination. More and more people are beginning to see through their shit screen. i'm becoming more fearful though that her nomination was a forgone conclusion and the primary season is merely a formality. The more and more i see the clintons undermine our democratic policies and successfully quiet the voices of so many people through intimidation, lawsuits and dirty tactics, the more i lose faith in our democracy in general and the people's actual ability to shut them out of the nomination. Its clear to anyone with eyes, however that she stands absolutely no chance in the general election and if the democrats nominate clinton, the democrats are fucking stupid.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

cornnifer wrote:

i agree with most pf your assessment. i'm not as sure, yet, as you are that she will actually win the nomination. More and more people are beginning to see through their shit screen. i'm becoming more fearful though that her nomination was a forgone conclusion and the primary season is merely a formality. The more and more i see the clintons undermine our democratic policies and successfully quiet the voices of so many people through intimidation, lawsuits and dirty tactics, the more i lose faith in our democracy in general and the people's actual ability to shut them out of the nomination. Its clear to anyone with eyes, however that she stands absolutely no chance in the general election and if the democrats nominate clinton, the democrats are fucking stupid.

thats what i thought, but she keeps winning.

JamMastaE

MrSmith wrote:

you're wrong. i little. there are minute differences. Its easier to just say they are all the same and just ignore reality to maintain your own blissful ignorance, but eventually you have to make a choice of the lesser evil. Or choose a third party guy. i have no problem with that, but it wont make any difference in the end.

saying you have no problem settling for a "3rd party guy" or "the lesser of the evils" is the most ignorant shit you could possibly spew!!! that's why this country is fucked to begin with,your spineless approach to "democracy"


"If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later
If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
We'll settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later"

Zack De La Rocha

MrSmith wrote:

a candidate that raises taxes is different than one that wont, and some of these guys will and some wont. And that affects me, so i will listen. I couldnt really care less about most social issues, but many do, and the candidates have wildy different views on these issues. Some want to change the constitution in differing ways, etc.

that is the equivalent of asking what kind of rims or color paint job you want on your new car,merely superficial exterior differences to herd the sheep into different pens and keep us targeting each other(divide and conquer / partisan politics) instead of targeting them.

cornnifer

MrSmith wrote:

thats what i thought, but she keeps winning.

Scroll down a little way to the headline "Statement from Obama campaign manager..."
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CGgT5

Democracy is dead and the clinton's are exploiting this fact at every turn. They are shady mothereffers.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

JamMastaE wrote:

saying you have no problem settling for a "3rd party guy" or "the lesser of the evils" is the most ignorant shit you could possibly spew!!! that's why this country is fucked to begin with,your spineless approach to "democracy"


"If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later
If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
We'll settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later"

Zack De La Rocha





that is the equivalent of asking what kind of rims or color paint job you want on your new car,merely superficial exterior differences to herd the sheep into different pens and keep us targeting each other(divide and conquer / partisan politics) instead of targeting them.

yeah yeah yeah. the sky is falling, we're all gonna die, fight the power, bla bla bla. actually i do think the shit is gonna hit the fan sooner or later (it always does), but I'm not to the point where i think its time to riot in the streets just yet. besides, no real change will happen until it does, so im kinda looking forward to it. Crisis brings focus. I'm just trying to get myself setup as a warlord of a small well defended settlement for when the radiated zombies and raiders start ravaging the wasteland.

I'm telling you doomsayers, forget investing in gold. You need to be investing in ammo, radiation suits, and canned goods!


(wow that post really evolved as i wrote it!)

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

cornnifer wrote:

Scroll down a little way to the headline "Statement from Obama campaign manager..."
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CGgT5

Democracy is dead and the clinton's are exploiting this fact at every turn. They are shady mothereffers.

i'm not really the conspiracy type, but I'll be damned if i can think of another reason why she is winning. I just can't concieve of anyone voting for her.

slightofjeff

MrSmith wrote:

i'm not really the conspiracy type, but I'll be damned if i can think of another reason why she is winning. I just can't concieve of anyone voting for her.

The Clintons are like white trash Kennedys. People loved Bubba. He's like their JFK (except instead of being shot in the head, he shot some fat chick in the eye with his jism). They long for the return of the Trailer Park Camelot.

cornnifer

MrSmith wrote:

i'm not really the conspiracy type, but I'll be damned if i can think of another reason why she is winning. I just can't concieve of anyone voting for her.

Nor am i, but, we're dealing with the clintons here. i also cannot for the life of me see how she is recieving so many votes, and this, the "surprise" in NH and subsequent recount, (which i also found an interesting link about) all seems fishy. bill, we know has an issue with honesty and integrity. hillary is the same and scandal seems to follow them whereever they go.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

The Clintons are like white trash Kennedys. People loved Bubba. He's like their JFK (except instead of being shot in the head, he shot some fat chick in the eye with his jism). They long for the return of the Trailer Park Camelot.

i don't think you're very far off on this, though i don't understand it. bill clinton is no fucking JFK, that's for damn sure. Do democrats, especially female democrats over 50, not remember the finger wagging lies and subsequent impeachment?! How they can they look at this red nosed son-of-a-bitch, nod, clap, a then vote for his wife i'll never understand! Do they not rember scandal after scandal?! They're now (i firmly believe) trying to steal this nomination, and getting away with it. Fucking amazing.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

i don't think you're very far off on this, though i don't understand it. bill clinton is no fucking JFK, that's for damn sure. Do democrats, especially female democrats over 50, not remember the finger wagging lies and subsequent impeachment?! How they can they look at this red nosed son-of-a-bitch, nod, clap, a then vote for his wife i'll never understand! Do they not rember scandal after scandal?! They're now (i firmly believe) trying to steal this nomination, and getting away with it. Fucking amazing.

Make no mistake. The Clintons will stop at nothing to get elected. Hillary believes this is her destiny. She's been pre-ordained as president. She has so many opportunities for this country, if we'd just let her offer them. ~sniff~

I hate her more than I like any other candidate in the race, on either side of the aisle.

fragileblake

JamMastaE wrote:

that is the equivalent of asking what kind of rims or color paint job you want on your new car,merely superficial exterior differences to herd the sheep into different pens and keep us targeting each other(divide and conquer / partisan politics) instead of targeting them.

If you can't see a profound difference in the judges that Bush appointed and the judges that Clinton appointed you are fucking delusional. Thats on top of other issues like education, college funding and other issues that don't seem to get much traction with people who like to quote "revolutionary" lyrics. Have fun doing whatever you're doing to make a difference, I'll be working in state politics for the party that "isn't different from republicans" to try to make sure that schools have adequate funding and consumers are protected.

beachdweller

MrSmith wrote:

The republicans are divided between christian conservatives, libertarians, and elite wall street types, among others. the evangelicals take Huckabee or Thompson, the libertarian types favor McCain or Paul, and the big money is behind Romney.

The Huckabee guys would never back the others , especially social liberals like Romney and Giuliani. The less religious types wont back Huckabee/Thompson. The corporations might flee the party if anyone but Romney wins. The whole republican party is falling apart at the seams.

luckily, Hillary is gonna win the democratic nomination. she's the republican party's savior. They will unite together to take her down. She is too hated.

Republican in the white house in '09.

nothing and no one will save the Republicans this election cycle. They may be divided and end up uniting, but democrats are coming out 2 to 1 to vote. At a pace we haven't seen before, and that will stay the same, though they may lose some independants, even they aren't dumb enough to allow the Republicans to stay in the white house after the last 8 yrs.

cornnifer

beachdweller wrote:

nothing and no one will save the Republicans this election cycle. They may be divided and end up uniting, but democrats are coming out 2 to 1 to vote. At a pace we haven't seen before, and that will stay the same, though they may lose some independants, even they aren't dumb enough to allow the Republicans to stay in the white house after the last 8 yrs.

Its beginning to lool like the democrats just may be stupid enough to do just that. Any one of the republican candidates, (yes, even Huckabee) beats hillary clinton. i guarantee it. If the democrats nominate clinton THEY LOSE. Hands down. If every single registered democrat in the country show up to vote for hillary in the general (which will not happen), she STILL loses. She has just a little above ZERO independant support. She will even lose some of the democrat vote to the republican candidate. Factor in the almost guaranteed candidacy of a third party or independant that always hurts the democratic candidate much more than it does the republican, and SHE HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING. NONE. i don't care how badly bush has messed shit up. Hillary will not win a general election. Bet everything you have on that.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

Its beginning to lool like the democrats just may be stupid enough to do just that. Any one of the republican candidates, (yes, even Huckabee) beats hillary clinton. i guarantee it. If the democrats nominate clinton THEY LOSE. Hands down. If every single registered democrat in the country show up to vote for hillary in the general (which will not happen), she STILL loses. She has just a little above ZERO independant support. She will even lose some of the democrat vote to the republican candidate. Factor in the almost guaranteed candidacy of a third party or independant that always hurts the democratic candidate much more than it does the republican, and SHE HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING. NONE. i don't care how badly bush has messed shit up. Hillary will not win a general election. Bet everything you have on that.

Exactly. There are more registered Republicans in this country than Democrats. The Dems MUST attract independents to win. Hillary aint gonna do it. Independents will just stay home.

On top of that, every registered republican in America will come out to vote against Hillary. They might not be enthused about their own candidate, but they will unite behind an anti-Hillary campaign.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

if McCain wins, independents will abandon the democrats in droves.

t206

MrSmith wrote:

if McCain wins...

we will be at war for for 100 years, and his senile old crazy ass will drive us to bankrupcy and pure hatred by every other country in the world.

cornnifer

t206 wrote:

we will be at war for for 100 years, and his senile old crazy ass will drive us to bankrupcy and pure hatred by every other country in the world.

Likely. The same can be said for any of the republican candidates. Thats EXACTLY where we're headed, however, if democrats nominate clinton. If you never believe another word i say, believe this.

t206

duplicate post, sorry

t206

cornnifer wrote:

Likely. The same can be said for any of the republican candidates. Thats EXACTLY where we're headed, however, if democrats nominate clinton. If you never believe another word i say, believe this.

Please read up on Ron Paul then.....BIG difference between him and ANY other Republican.

cornnifer

t206 wrote:

Please read up on Ron Paul then.....BIG difference between him and ANY other Republican.

i know enough about RP to know a couple of things. One, i'm not a supporter, and two, he stands about a snowballs chance in hell of recieving the republican nomination for elmentary school class rep, let alone president for the United States. He is completely unviable.

t206

cornnifer wrote:

i know enough about RP to know a couple of things. One, i'm not a supporter, and two, he stands about a snowballs chance in hell of recieving the republican nomination for elmentary school class rep, let alone president for the United States. He is completely unviable.

This country needs to wake up...the pesidential election is NOT the same as the vote for American Idol. People need to vote for who they believe in, NOT who they "think is viable" it saddens me that people base their vote on who "can win"

DixieN

I'm not sure anything can unite the Republican party, it's too splintered and polarized. The best Republicans can hope for is for John McCain to get the nomination. If he doesn't get it, it's pretty much over for the party until 2012. No moderate Republican is going to vote for Huckabee and no right wing Republican is going to vote for Romney. Democrats won't vote for any of them, really, although out of the three, again, McCain might get some votes. He holds some positions that might make sense to them. Independents? They figure more into the Democratic race, I believe than into the Republican one.

t206

DixieN wrote:

I'm not sure anything can unite the Republican party, it's too splintered and polarized. The best Republicans can hope for is for John McCain to get the nomination. If he doesn't get it, it's pretty much over for the party until 2012. No moderate Republican is going to vote for Huckabee and no right wing Republican is going to vote for Romney. Democrats won't vote for any of them, really, although out of the three, again, McCain might get some votes. He holds some positions that might make sense to them. Independents? They figure more into the Democratic race, I believe than into the Republican one.

Any TRUE republican would vote for Ron Paul.

cornnifer

DixieN wrote:

I'm not sure anything can unite the Republican party, it's too splintered and polarized. The best Republicans can hope for is for John McCain to get the nomination. If he doesn't get it, it's pretty much over for the party until 2012. No moderate Republican is going to vote for Huckabee and no right wing Republican is going to vote for Romney. Democrats won't vote for any of them, really, although out of the three, again, McCain might get some votes. He holds some positions that might make sense to them. Independents? They figure more into the Democratic race, I believe than into the Republican one.

With all due respect, you're absolutely wrong about this. The republican voter will vote for ANY of the republican candidates before they vote clinton. Moderates may not like Huckabee, but he IS republican and he IS NOT hillary. Right wingers may not prefer Romney, but again, he IS NOT hillary. Like the OP stated, HILLARY will unite republicans. They don't need one of their own to do that.

cornnifer

t206 wrote:

Any TRUE republican would vote for Ron Paul.

Dude, i'm not trying to be a butthole, but what republican have YOU been talking to? Paul's only real talking point is the Iraq war which he claims to be vehemently against. The Iraq war is the one issue republicans seem to agree on AND THEY SUPPORT THE SHIT OUT OF IT! i think what you meant to say is NO true republican would vote for RP.

Commy

I really hope the republican party gets united. WE could use MORE gov't spending, more war, more tax cuts for the rich, more destruction of our environment, less health care, more police, more violence against the working class, more phone taps, more secret gov't programs, more wire tapping, less freedom, less money more beurocracy and less participation in our frail democracy.

macgyver06

JamMastaE wrote:

democrat,republican.

there is no fucking difference,only in appearance not in policy,it's a fucking facade!! a puppet show for all the morons who think they have a say.

how do you not see this?

how do people let themselves be duped by these silver-spooned devils?

Hillary is an evil cunt that doesn't give two shits about you or this country!she is just another boot-licking servant for those who really run shit.And that goes for all the republicans too.(save Ron Paul)

and all the zombies can scream conspiracy as they struggle to maintain a blissful ignorance.but shit is ready to start crashing down around you and we will see if you can maintain your slumber in the midst of a very rude awakening.

when shit goes down..i got your back