Jamie Oliver takes aim at 'fattest nation in the world'

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1984456.ece
Jamie Oliver takes aim at 'fattest nation in the world'

By David Usborne in New York
Published: 15 November 2006

Jamie Oliver, the outspoken celebrity chef and scourge of every school cook in Britain, has taken his healthy-eating message to the United States. And true to form, he is not mincing his words when it comes to American children and their particular battle with obesity.

"A fat person in England isn't the same as a fat person in America," Oliver gamely asserted yesterday, taking time off from a packed schedule in New York promoting his two latest ventures - a book and a television series about cooking in Italy.

Apparently unconcerned with the sensibilities of his American hosts, Oliver ploughed forth suggesting that the US should follow the example of Britain, which, on his urging, has recently banned Turkey Twizzlers and other fatty delights from school cafeterias, replacing them with healthier options.

"England is the most unhealthy country in Europe and America is the most unhealthy country in the world," Oliver told a Reuters reporter. He nonetheless acknowledged that he did not expect to repeat his British campaign for healthier school food in America, noting that as an "English boy in America, they might not appreciate my honesty".

Not that Oliver is necessary wrong in his observations. The number of overweight Americans has tripled since 1980, according to new figures from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, and the obesity rate among children and young people is expected to hit 20 per cent by the end of this decade.

If Oliver is afraid that Americans might take against him for his remarks, he doesn't show it. In recent days, he has been all over the television dial, putting the hosts of NBC's breakfast Today show through their culinary paces and making a guest appearance with Martha Stewart on her daily programme.

"Having a brilliant time in New York at the moment," he writes to fans in the latest instalment of a personal blog on his website. He also takes care to promote a couple of his favourite restaurants in Manhattan, including the British-themed Spotted Pig, the recent winner of a Michelin star.

But it is his own products that he is in town to sell. His book, Jamie's Italy, hit American bookshops earlier this month while the companion television show, Jamie Oliver's Great Italian Escape, will be broadcast to American audiences later this month.

New York, as it happens, has taken the lead among American cities to introduce legislation aimed at trimming the waistlines of its citizenry. A draft city ordinance championed by the city's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, would ban artificial trans-fats from almost all restaurants. Partly in response, one national fast-food chain, KFC, recently announced plans to drop all trans-fats.

Oliver, 31, hailed the move by Mr Bloomberg, arguing that the setting of government guidelines remains the best way to tackle the problem and persuade the fast-food companies to change their manufacturing habits.

His campaign in Britain became a reality for school canteens - and for millions of less-than-delighted children - only when the Government backed it with legislation.

"The junk food companies have got more resources than the government and more money to spend on poxy lawyers so I completely admire and condone the Mayor for doing it," he commented, adding, however, that most American politicians are "subservient" to "junk food companies". His presence in New York coincides with the opening tomorrow of Gordon Ramsay's first venture in America, The London restaurant, on West 54th Street. The blunt-speaking Ramsay is already a fixture in America thanks to his reality show, Hell's Kitchen, on Fox television.

Jamie Oliver, the outspoken celebrity chef and scourge of every school cook in Britain, has taken his healthy-eating message to the United States. And true to form, he is not mincing his words when it comes to American children and their particular battle with obesity.

"A fat person in England isn't the same as a fat person in America," Oliver gamely asserted yesterday, taking time off from a packed schedule in New York promoting his two latest ventures - a book and a television series about cooking in Italy.

Apparently unconcerned with the sensibilities of his American hosts, Oliver ploughed forth suggesting that the US should follow the example of Britain, which, on his urging, has recently banned Turkey Twizzlers and other fatty delights from school cafeterias, replacing them with healthier options.

"England is the most unhealthy country in Europe and America is the most unhealthy country in the world," Oliver told a Reuters reporter. He nonetheless acknowledged that he did not expect to repeat his British campaign for healthier school food in America, noting that as an "English boy in America, they might not appreciate my honesty".

Not that Oliver is necessary wrong in his observations. The number of overweight Americans has tripled since 1980, according to new figures from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, and the obesity rate among children and young people is expected to hit 20 per cent by the end of this decade.

If Oliver is afraid that Americans might take against him for his remarks, he doesn't show it. In recent days, he has been all over the television dial, putting the hosts of NBC's breakfast Today show through their culinary paces and making a guest appearance with Martha Stewart on her daily programme.
"Having a brilliant time in New York at the moment," he writes to fans in the latest instalment of a personal blog on his website. He also takes care to promote a couple of his favourite restaurants in Manhattan, including the British-themed Spotted Pig, the recent winner of a Michelin star.

But it is his own products that he is in town to sell. His book, Jamie's Italy, hit American bookshops earlier this month while the companion television show, Jamie Oliver's Great Italian Escape, will be broadcast to American audiences later this month.

New York, as it happens, has taken the lead among American cities to introduce legislation aimed at trimming the waistlines of its citizenry. A draft city ordinance championed by the city's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, would ban artificial trans-fats from almost all restaurants. Partly in response, one national fast-food chain, KFC, recently announced plans to drop all trans-fats.

Oliver, 31, hailed the move by Mr Bloomberg, arguing that the setting of government guidelines remains the best way to tackle the problem and persuade the fast-food companies to change their manufacturing habits.

His campaign in Britain became a reality for school canteens - and for millions of less-than-delighted children - only when the Government backed it with legislation.

"The junk food companies have got more resources than the government and more money to spend on poxy lawyers so I completely admire and condone the Mayor for doing it," he commented, adding, however, that most American politicians are "subservient" to "junk food companies". His presence in New York coincides with the opening tomorrow of Gordon Ramsay's first venture in America, The London restaurant, on West 54th Street. The blunt-speaking Ramsay is already a fixture in America thanks to his reality show, Hell's Kitchen, on Fox television.

I think he's done well over here, and he's got the right idea.... but taking this hegemony to the states is a bit over-ambitious, don't you think?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    In America, at least in some places - Mississipi, Houston, Detroit - it seems to have become acceptable to be obese to the point of looking like a whale. It's been going on so long that it's become an accepted part of the culture - maybe some Americans on here will be better equipped to put me right on this. In my opinion, Jamie's gonna be pissing in the wind over there.
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    You're probaby right (byrnzie), but I sure do love to watch Jamie Oliver's shows - haven't in a while though.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JaneNY wrote:
    You're probaby right (byrnzie), but I sure do love to watch Jamie Oliver's shows - haven't in a while though.

    I sure do love watching human whales waddling down the street, with Double Whopper fillings hanging out of their gobs. It makes me realise that all of the human struggles across the ages - both intellectual and spiritual - and the rise and fall of civilizations, were not made in vain. ;)
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In America, at least in some places - Mississipi, Houston, Detroit - it seems to have become acceptable to be obese to the point of looking like a whale. It's been going on so long that it's become an accepted part of the culture - maybe some Americans on here will be better equipped to put me right on this. In my opinion, Jamie's gonna be pissing in the wind over there.


    have you been to mississippi, houston, or detroit?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    have you been to mississippi, houston, or detroit?

    I've been to Mississipi and Houston. But that's irrelevant. I mentioned those places because they have all at some point been given the accolade of 'fattest city' - i.e, highest number of obese people in the States. (Not that Mississipi is a town, but i saw it mentioned in that regard somewhere or other).
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    More power to him, but I wonder if his message would work better if he first tackled the US chefs besides the fast food chains. Most of the famous chefs in the US live at unhealthy weights from the looks of it.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I've been to Mississipi and Houston. But that's irrelevant. I mentioned those places because they have all at some point been given the accolade of 'fattest city' - i.e, highest number of obese people in the States. (Not that Mississipi is a town, but i saw it mentioned in that regard somewhere or other).


    obesity is a problem in the US, no question. Clinton is trying to get kids to eat healthier at schools. thats where this problem needs to be addressed. but I like the naked chef. kudos to him, I hope he makes a difference.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    There is such a sense of entitlement in the US that some English guy saying things isn't going to change much. We are an educated society and people know that obesity is unhealthy and can lead to other diseases / conditions. We are also a me centered society and if someone wants to be fat or obese and abuse their body in that way we in the US feel it's our God given right to do that. "my body is no body's body but mine, you've got your own body let me run mine"...sound familiar?? I think to deal with this obesity problem it's gonna take more than an English guy with a tv show and a restaurant to make a difference...but I give him props for trying.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    O.k. You want a solution?

    Walk more! :cool:

    People don't walk in the States. Every fucker drives. You even have to drive to the bar to get drunk before driving home again. Everything is so far apart. I suggest knocking down the Midwest and transporting all the buildings to the East and West coasts and condensing the towns and cities there, so that everything becomes nearer and within walking distance. Give the land in between back to the Indians.

    Discuss.... :cool:
  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In America, at least in some places - Mississipi, Houston, Detroit - it seems to have become acceptable to be obese to the point of looking like a whale. It's been going on so long that it's become an accepted part of the culture - maybe some Americans on here will be better equipped to put me right on this. In my opinion, Jamie's gonna be pissing in the wind over there.

    Wasn't he also pissing in the wind when he started the campaign in English schools? Even if he doesn't manage to change something, it might be entertaining.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    O.k. You want a solution?

    Walk more! :cool:

    People don't walk in the States. Every fucker drives. You even have to drive to the bar to get drunk before driving home again. Everything is so far apart. I suggest knocking down the Midwest and transporting all the buildings to the East and West coasts and condensing the towns and cities there, so that everything becomes nearer and within walking distance. Give the land in between back to the Indians.

    Discuss.... :cool:

    I sold my car when I moved back home from college. People who live in Chicago and New York walk or take cabs. maybe some other downtown areas are similar but not that I have seen.

    you are very right however. LA, for example, everyone drives. Phoenix, Dallas-Fort Worth, SF, and all cities inbetween, drive. Chicago and New York are the exception because these cities thrived long before cars exsisted.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Sonja_S wrote:
    Wasn't he also pissing in the wind when he started the campaign in English schools? Even if he doesn't manage to change something, it might be entertaining.

    True.

    Also, I wonder why Sumo wrestling has never taken off in America? :confused: I think it should become compulsory for people over a certain weight.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Byrnzie wrote:
    O.k. You want a solution?

    Walk more! :cool:

    People don't walk in the States. Every fucker drives. You even have to drive to the bar to get drunk before driving home again. Everything is so far apart. I suggest knocking down the Midwest and transporting all the buildings to the East and West coasts and condensing the towns and cities there, so that everything becomes nearer and within walking distance. Give the land in between back to the Indians.

    Discuss.... :cool:

    exactly, i agree we should walk more, we should exercise more, not cut PE programs from the schools, try some preventative medicine for once...give vouchers, discount health insurance for health clubs, fitness classes etc... But the US has such a reactionary philosophy with everything this will never happen. Look at education, we have no plan, we just realize that other countries score higher in math and science; so we must now emphasize math and science...other countries score higher in english so now we must try to score higher in those areas. Look at medicine. You only get discounts or help with paying if you become sick. There is no fiscal insentive to stay healthy; which, sad as it is, is what most people need as motivation.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I sold my car when I moved back home from college. People who live in Chicago and New York walk or take cabs. maybe some other downtown areas are similar but not that I have seen.

    you are very right however. LA, for example, everyone drives. Phoenix, Dallas-Fort Worth, SF, and all cities inbetween, drive. Chicago and New York are the exception because these cities thrived long before cars exsisted.

    Yeah, New York's a walkers place, and so is San Francisco. I walked from Van Ness up to Market street and Height Ashbury without even thinking about it, although some people were amazed at that. I think it's about a 1 hour walk or something. L.A's somewhere where everyone drives, and the same in Florida.
  • Sonja_SSonja_S Posts: 444
    Byrnzie wrote:
    True.

    Also, I wonder why Sumo wrestling has never taken off in America? :confused: I think it should become compulsory for people over a certain weight.

    Maybe you could pitch that idea to a US TV network. 'Sumo wrestling with the stars' might start a new trend.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    "A fat person in England isn't the same as a fat person in America."

    This is so true, well I haven't been to England lately but replace England with Europe and it's very accurate.

    People don't walk, seriously. When I was in NYC and we asked directions to a certain place people always said "Just take the E (or the F or whatever...)" and when we said, but we want to walk... most of the time people said "but that's like 6 blocks."

    You should have seen some people's faces when we said were had been walking all day, or even when we said we walked three miles, people looked at us in disbelief.

    Unhealthy food is one thing, but I think laziness is a huge problem as well.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    What the hell are Turkey Twizzlers?
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    What the hell are Turkey Twizzlers?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4320000/newsid_4326200/4326277.stm

    There you go!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Sonja_S wrote:
    Maybe you could pitch that idea to a US TV network. 'Sumo wrestling with the stars' might start a new trend.

    It could be a hit! I don't know any stars that would wanna get squashed by a 30 stone blob though. Except maybe Pavarotti, or Michael Moore. Although the Jackass crew would probably be up for it.Stick em in a cage, run some crazy Hillbilly music, and....ACTION!!
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177

    Thanks! Wow, they look like entrails. LOL. I'm guessing they taste better than they look. Can't be any worse than chitlins, haggis or menudo I suppose.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In America, at least in some places - Mississipi, Houston, Detroit - it seems to have become acceptable to be obese to the point of looking like a whale. It's been going on so long that it's become an accepted part of the culture - maybe some Americans on here will be better equipped to put me right on this. In my opinion, Jamie's gonna be pissing in the wind over there.

    Yeah yeah keep talkin' Byrnzie. I've tried your "English Breakfast". The only reason Americans are fatter than the British is that our food tastes better!

    ;)
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gabers wrote:
    Yeah yeah keep talkin' Byrnzie. I've tried your "English Breakfast". The only reason Americans are fatter than the British is that our food tastes better!

    ;)

    You may have a point there. I was over last year and went to one of your 'Ryans' joints. I felt like I'd died and gone to food heaven. $10 for all you can eat. I remember giggling like a schoolboy and bouncing up and down with excitement. There's no question that if I lived in the States I'd be 40 stone by now. :) I'd be the Sumo champ!
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Collin wrote:
    People don't walk, seriously. When I was in NYC and we asked directions to a certain place people always said "Just take the E (or the F or whatever...)" and when we said, but we want to walk... most of the time people said "but that's like 6 blocks."

    That could be because everyone here is in a hurry and doesn't have time to walk further distances (especially crosstown blocks) :).

    I'm sure some are lazy but when I have time, like on the weekends, I walk instead of taking the subway. It's not uncommon for me to walk 60 blocks to get to a certain place and back. I'm certainly not alone though. Most people walk a shitload here.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    VictoryGin wrote:
    That could be because everyone here is in a hurry and doesn't have time to walk further distances (especially crosstown blocks) :).

    I'm sure some are lazy but when I have time, like on the weekends, I walk instead of taking the subway. It's not uncommon for me to walk 60 blocks to get to a certain place and back. I'm certainly not alone though. Most people walk a shitload here.

    Yeah, could be... but I still had the impression many Americans were lazy.

    NYC is a wonderful place to walk, well not if you're in a hurry like you said.
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  • Byrnzie wrote:
    I've been to Mississipi and Houston. But that's irrelevant. I mentioned those places because they have all at some point been given the accolade of 'fattest city' - i.e, highest number of obese people in the States. (Not that Mississipi is a town, but i saw it mentioned in that regard somewhere or other).

    i think it's a per capita measure...but, anyway...it's about personal responsibility once you're an adult, but schools do need to do something about the meals they offer and the offerings in vending machines...and parents need to take charge too...dammit!
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In America, at least in some places - Mississipi, Houston, Detroit - it seems to have become acceptable to be obese to the point of looking like a whale. It's been going on so long that it's become an accepted part of the culture - maybe some Americans on here will be better equipped to put me right on this. In my opinion, Jamie's gonna be pissing in the wind over there.

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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Collin wrote:
    Yeah, could be... but I still had the impression many Americans were lazy.

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    lol why would you think that?
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    miller8966 wrote:
    lol why would you think that?

    Because of the things they said, their reactions and actions.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Collin wrote:
    Because of the things they said, their reactions and actions.

    By asking a few people in NYC for directions you've come up with the generalization that most americans are lazy...lol good one.
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  • I was in NYC on a school trip, some people took the subway, but we thought 'We'd rather see the city then the inside of some train' so we walked around and had a good time! And miller, can you contribute something to the thread?
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