I agree. The western world, in my opinion, is becoming more Godless but I hardly think we're living in dire times right now.
But watch the news for very long, or a political roundtable, and you'll begin to wonder how much time we really have left.
What's the West's biggest problem right now? People with too much God in their lives. So much, in fact, that certain sects are blowing themselves up just to get a chance to meet him.
In my opinion, we've got plenty of time left. Sure, things are going to hurt - war, environmental hazards, etc. - but things have hurt before. We'll be fine ..... overall.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.
Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
I didn't say you said that Mary was our GOD. When you quoted that section of the Bible saying that "worshipping the queen of heaven is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger" I took that to mean you believe that Catholics are worshipping someone other then the Lord such as Mary.
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Oh yeah, and you said Catholics aren't Christian. That is false.
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"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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Oh yeah, and you said Catholics aren't Christian. That is false.
i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.
true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.
easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..
the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Perhaps I misread you. I assumed that's what you meant when you mentioned all this "danger" we're in right now. Since I'm wrong, how exactly are we in danger?
i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.
true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.
easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..
the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.
You said "The Roman Catholic "Church" is Not Christian". That is not saying there is a difference, that is saying that Catholics are not Christian. Which is false. Christmas isn't a Pagan holiday. It's roots are based on a Pagan holiday in that the birth of Christ was put on December 25 because the Church wanted people to stop celebrating Pagan holidays. The same with Easter. What better way to get them to stop celebrating Pagan holidays then to replace that holiday with a Christian one. That was the reasoning behind that.
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i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.
true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.
easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..
the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.
That's an easy excuse. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, does something bad, it's not a Christian.
He says he is and a lot of people will agree with him and think he's a great Christian. Some might even think you are not a Christian.
And on top of that, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't a real Christian or not or whether Muslims extremists are real Muslims. The point is they believe they are, they believe they are doing what god wants.
That's an easy excuse. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, does something bad, it's not a Christian.
He says he is and a lot of people will agree with him and think he's a great Christian. Some might even think you are not a Christian.
And on top of that, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't a real Christian or not or whether Muslims extremists are real Muslims. The point is they believe they are, they believe they are doing what god wants.
Let me correct you just a tad. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, we may say that it isn't Christian BEHAVIOR. Thats a bit different than accusing christians who mess up of not being Christian.
As far as Bush is concerned, i don't know what faith is in his heart so i can't speak on it, but, i will say that his policies are without question, decidely UNchristian.
Extremists who believe they are doing God's will, when in fact they aren't, does nothing to discreidt the faith.It simply means the extremist in question is full of shit.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Let me correct you just a tad. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, we may say that it isn't Christian BEHAVIOR. Thats a bit different than accusing christians who mess up of not being Christian.
As far as Bush is concerned, i don't know what faith is in his heart so i can't speak on it, but, i will say that his policies are without question, decidely UNchristian.
Extremists who believe they are doing God's will, when in fact they aren't, does nothing to discreidt the faith.It simply means the extremist in question is full of shit.
Fair enough.
And I see your point when you say these actions do nothing to discredit the faith. But that still doesn't change the fact they do these things in the name of god. I think Jammastae's agrument that 'godlessness' led to the fucked up times we now have is complete bullshit.
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In my opinion, we've got plenty of time left. Sure, things are going to hurt - war, environmental hazards, etc. - but things have hurt before. We'll be fine ..... overall.
I didn't say you said that Mary was our GOD. When you quoted that section of the Bible saying that "worshipping the queen of heaven is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger" I took that to mean you believe that Catholics are worshipping someone other then the Lord such as Mary.
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and you think our problems stem from not having enough God in our lives.
I'm sure you've missed the irony of all this.
Oh yeah, and you said Catholics aren't Christian. That is false.
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WTFRU TALKING ABOUT?
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.
true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.
easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..
the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
You said "The Roman Catholic "Church" is Not Christian". That is not saying there is a difference, that is saying that Catholics are not Christian. Which is false. Christmas isn't a Pagan holiday. It's roots are based on a Pagan holiday in that the birth of Christ was put on December 25 because the Church wanted people to stop celebrating Pagan holidays. The same with Easter. What better way to get them to stop celebrating Pagan holidays then to replace that holiday with a Christian one. That was the reasoning behind that.
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New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
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That's an easy excuse. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, does something bad, it's not a Christian.
He says he is and a lot of people will agree with him and think he's a great Christian. Some might even think you are not a Christian.
And on top of that, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't a real Christian or not or whether Muslims extremists are real Muslims. The point is they believe they are, they believe they are doing what god wants.
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Let me correct you just a tad. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, we may say that it isn't Christian BEHAVIOR. Thats a bit different than accusing christians who mess up of not being Christian.
As far as Bush is concerned, i don't know what faith is in his heart so i can't speak on it, but, i will say that his policies are without question, decidely UNchristian.
Extremists who believe they are doing God's will, when in fact they aren't, does nothing to discreidt the faith.It simply means the extremist in question is full of shit.
Fair enough.
And I see your point when you say these actions do nothing to discredit the faith. But that still doesn't change the fact they do these things in the name of god. I think Jammastae's agrument that 'godlessness' led to the fucked up times we now have is complete bullshit.
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