to what extent did the

Collin

OutOfBreath wrote:

That depends very much on where you are in Europe. Even Scandinavia, which is the most "godless" place according to numerous surveys, has a quotient of roughly 25% who believe in the return of Jesus.

Peace
Dan

Well, it went from 100% to maybe 50%, I'd say it's almost dead.

And I thought the Czech Republic was the most 'godless' country, with only 10% who believe.

JamMastaE

let's see,people are more godless than ever and our planet has never been more fucked than it is now.

hmmmm,think there might be a connection?


i do.

Collin

JamMastaE wrote:

let's see,people are more godless than ever and our planet has never been more fucked than it is now.

hmmmm,think there might be a connection?


i do.

Look at who's doing the fucking up.

RainDog

JamMastaE wrote:

let's see,people are more godless than ever and our planet has never been more fucked than it is now.

hmmmm,think there might be a connection?


i do.

More fucked now? I don't know. World War II was pretty fucked up. Slavery was pretty fucked up. The Middle Ages were pretty fucked up. The Black Plague? Shit, now that was fucked up.

No, I would have to say I completely disagree with the statement "our planet has never been more fucked than it is now."

Byrnzie

IndianSummer wrote:

christianisation of Europe, happen at the cost of europeanisation of biblical christianity??

we know the easter and solstice and wodan bit... what else??

how much of "european paganism" is to be found in today's christianity??

This book will answer your questions: http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Decline-Magic-sixteenth-seventeenth/dp/0195213602/sr=1-1/qid=1170778028/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7684030-8998550?ie=UTF8&s=books

I read it years ago. It's a great read.

MakingWaves

JamMastaE wrote:

tell me what is false!!

I will state just one. You said we worship Mary. This is untrue.

ThumbingMyWay32

RainDog wrote:

More fucked now? I don't know. World War II was pretty fucked up. Slavery was pretty fucked up. The Middle Ages were pretty fucked up. The Black Plague? Shit, now that was fucked up.

No, I would have to say I completely disagree with the statement "our planet has never been more fucked than it is now."

I agree. The western world, in my opinion, is becoming more Godless but I hardly think we're living in dire times right now.

But watch the news for very long, or a political roundtable, and you'll begin to wonder how much time we really have left.

JamMastaE

RainDog wrote:

More fucked now? I don't know. World War II was pretty fucked up. Slavery was pretty fucked up. The Middle Ages were pretty fucked up. The Black Plague? Shit, now that was fucked up.

No, I would have to say I completely disagree with the statement "our planet has never been more fucked than it is now."

you don't know what's going on around the globe then.

JamMastaE

MakingWaves wrote:

I will state just one. You said we worship Mary. This is untrue.

read it again!!!no one said mary was your GOD.


CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.
Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

Collin

JamMastaE wrote:

you don't know what's going on around the globe then.

There's a lot of bad things going on. But name a time when things were better?

And again, this has nothing to do with godlessness, one would believe the opposite if you actually looked at the people or countries that cause these horrible things.

RainDog

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I agree. The western world, in my opinion, is becoming more Godless but I hardly think we're living in dire times right now.

But watch the news for very long, or a political roundtable, and you'll begin to wonder how much time we really have left.

What's the West's biggest problem right now? People with too much God in their lives. So much, in fact, that certain sects are blowing themselves up just to get a chance to meet him.

In my opinion, we've got plenty of time left. Sure, things are going to hurt - war, environmental hazards, etc. - but things have hurt before. We'll be fine ..... overall.

MakingWaves

JamMastaE wrote:

read it again!!!no one said mary was your GOD.


CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.
Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

I didn't say you said that Mary was our GOD. When you quoted that section of the Bible saying that "worshipping the queen of heaven is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger" I took that to mean you believe that Catholics are worshipping someone other then the Lord such as Mary.

RainDog

JamMastaE wrote:

you don't know what's going on around the globe then.

More than you, apparently. Here you are claiming Catholics aren't Christian, Muslims are going to take over the world,...

and you think our problems stem from not having enough God in our lives.

I'm sure you've missed the irony of all this.

MakingWaves

JamMastaE wrote:

tell me what is false!!

Oh yeah, and you said Catholics aren't Christian. That is false.

JamMastaE

RainDog wrote:

Muslims are going to take over the world,...

WTFRU TALKING ABOUT?

JamMastaE

MakingWaves wrote:

Oh yeah, and you said Catholics aren't Christian. That is false.

i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.

true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.

easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..

the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.

RainDog

JamMastaE wrote:

WTFRU TALKING ABOUT?

Perhaps I misread you. I assumed that's what you meant when you mentioned all this "danger" we're in right now. Since I'm wrong, how exactly are we in danger?

MakingWaves

JamMastaE wrote:

i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.

true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.

easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..

the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.

You said "The Roman Catholic "Church" is Not Christian". That is not saying there is a difference, that is saying that Catholics are not Christian. Which is false. Christmas isn't a Pagan holiday. It's roots are based on a Pagan holiday in that the birth of Christ was put on December 25 because the Church wanted people to stop celebrating Pagan holidays. The same with Easter. What better way to get them to stop celebrating Pagan holidays then to replace that holiday with a Christian one. That was the reasoning behind that.

Collin

JamMastaE wrote:

i said there IS a difference between the two.THAT'S what I said.being a catholic i guess you wouldn't know.

true Christians know Christmas is Pagan.no where in the bible does it say Jesus was born Dec.25th.

easter is a pagan worship of a fertility god,hence the rabbits and eggs.i could go on and on..

the problem is people like George Bush go around claiming to be Christians so it gives Christians a bad name.i assure you G.W.B. is no Christian.

That's an easy excuse. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, does something bad, it's not a Christian.

He says he is and a lot of people will agree with him and think he's a great Christian. Some might even think you are not a Christian.

And on top of that, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't a real Christian or not or whether Muslims extremists are real Muslims. The point is they believe they are, they believe they are doing what god wants.

cornnifer

Collin wrote:

That's an easy excuse. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, does something bad, it's not a Christian.

He says he is and a lot of people will agree with him and think he's a great Christian. Some might even think you are not a Christian.

And on top of that, it doesn't matter whether he is or isn't a real Christian or not or whether Muslims extremists are real Muslims. The point is they believe they are, they believe they are doing what god wants.

Let me correct you just a tad. Whenever a Christian steps out of line, we may say that it isn't Christian BEHAVIOR. Thats a bit different than accusing christians who mess up of not being Christian.
As far as Bush is concerned, i don't know what faith is in his heart so i can't speak on it, but, i will say that his policies are without question, decidely UNchristian.
Extremists who believe they are doing God's will, when in fact they aren't, does nothing to discreidt the faith.It simply means the extremist in question is full of shit.