CIA - bigger criminals than the nazis.

IndianSummer

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8061307149260436858&q=mossad+cia+duration%3Along

Central Intelligence Agency


Never have so many done so much that was so bad to so many others for so little discernible benefit to so few.

Please watch this video. each and everyone in the CIA is a cold blooded mofo.

sponger

People in general are cold-blooded mofos. If you put them into a situation where they are required to commit immoral acts, they will typically do it because they are trained to not deviate from the norm.

Before a person can be hired into the CIA, he/she must have an almost "pedigree" background (ie no criminal history, good grades...etc.). So how it is that this organization is aprt towards selecting "cold blooded individuals"?

It isn't. It is apt towards selecting highly-motivated individuals who do not question authority.

Hate the organization, not the people in it.

Ahnimus

I read the term "Cold-blooded" refers to people that are missing part of their brain. Like reptiles which are cold-blooded, they are missing the same part.

El_Kabong

Ahnimus wrote:

I read the term "Cold-blooded" refers to people that are missing part of their brain. Like reptiles which are cold-blooded, they are missing the same part.

Function: adjective
1 a : done or acting without consideration, compunction, or clemency <cold-blooded murder> b : MATTER-OF-FACT, EMOTIONLESS <a cold-blooded assessment>
2 : having cold blood; specifically : having a body temperature not internally regulated but approximating that of the environment
3 or cold·blood /-'bl&d/ : of mixed or inferior breeding
4 : noticeably sensitive to cold

IndianSummer

sponger wrote:

Hate the organization, not the people in it.

ok the organization it is, nbot the people.

but pls watch the video to kow the extent to which they spew havoc and carnage all over the world.

dayan

this is ridiculous. Has the CIA done terrible things? Sure. But they're as bad as the Nazis? Are you serious? If you want to discuss the faults of the organization that's one thing, but you've lost all respect when you make comparisons like that.

Ahnimus

El_Kabong wrote:

Function: adjective
1 a : done or acting without consideration, compunction, or clemency <cold-blooded murder> b : MATTER-OF-FACT, EMOTIONLESS <a cold-blooded assessment>
2 : having cold blood; specifically : having a body temperature not internally regulated but approximating that of the environment
3 or cold·blood /-'bl&d/ : of mixed or inferior breeding
4 : noticeably sensitive to cold

Yea, I meant the origin, how cold-blooded connects to behavior. I just read, because when a person is calm their blood is cold relative to when they are excited. Hence a cold-blooded crime is a calm one. That makes more sense, though that could refer to a dysfunction in a certain part of the brain. It's just semantics anyway. Within the context it was used, it was correct, I was just referring to the origin of it's use.

A Surprise Left

dayan wrote:

this is ridiculous. Has the CIA done terrible things? Sure. But they're as bad as the Nazis? Are you serious? If you want to discuss the faults of the organization that's one thing, but you've lost all respect when you make comparisons like that.

I agree with this, the comparison with the nazi regime is thrown out there way too easily. They have done some terrible things although any comparison with the nazis is way over the top IMO.

sponger

Nothing is truly "evil" these days unless it is more evil than Hitler or the Nazis.

IndianSummer

dayan wrote:

this is ridiculous. Has the CIA done terrible things? Sure. But they're as bad as the Nazis? Are you serious? If you want to discuss the faults of the organization that's one thing, but you've lost all respect when you make comparisons like that.

the cia has killed over 6 million people (as per the video) in the developing world - in asia, latin america and africa.

i think its you who has lost all respect - respect for non-jewish life. when jews are killed for no fault of theirs by nazis its a crime, but when cia kills innocents in cambodia or nicaragua for no fault of theirs either, its obviously nothing to fret about, since they arnt god's chosen people who got killed.

assuming the claim in the video is right - the cia is guilty of 6 million - then they are as bad as the nazis yes. two equal crimes make the perpetrators criminals of equal degree.

searchlightsoul

The bombing of Cambodia ordered by Henry Kissinger killed 800,000 people even though America were not formerly at war with them. The CIA continued to fund the puppet regime against the Communits Khmer Rouge. When things got too hot they bailed and the resultant genocide killed 2 million Cambodians. Whilst the actions of the Khmer Rouge can not be blamed squarely on the CIA there would have been no civil war and no need to 'purge' the civilian population had the CIA not been involved.

Add to that Kissinger one the Nobel Peace prize ending the war.WTF

IndianSummer

searchlightsoul wrote:

The bombing of Cambodia ordered by Henry Kissinger killed 800,000 people even though America were not formerly at war with them. The CIA continued to fund the puppet regime against the Communits Khmer Rouge. When things got too hot they bailed and the resultant genocide killed 2 million Cambodians. Whilst the actions of the Khmer Rouge can not be blamed squarely on the CIA there would have been no civil war and no need to 'purge' the civilian population had the CIA not been involved.

Add to that Kissinger one the Nobel Peace prize ending the war.WTF

awesome post. thank you.

please everyone watch the video and e-mail the link others.

CorporateWhore

IndianSummer wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8061307149260436858&q=mossad+cia+duration%3Along

Central Intelligence Agency


Never have so many done so much that was so bad to so many others for so little discernible benefit to so few.

Please watch this video. each and everyone in the CIA is a cold blooded mofo.

Ha! I know people who work for the CIA. They are certainly not cold blooded mofos. Haha.

The CIA is awesome and if you disagree, I hope they tap your phone lines, find out your daily schedule, and a plumbing van "accidentally" runs you over as you enter your place of work.

Just kidding...

dayan

IndianSummer wrote:

the cia has killed over 6 million people (as per the video) in the developing world - in asia, latin america and africa.

i think its you who has lost all respect - respect for non-jewish life. when jews are killed for no fault of theirs by nazis its a crime, but when cia kills innocents in cambodia or nicaragua for no fault of theirs either, its obviously nothing to fret about, since they arnt god's chosen people who got killed.

assuming the claim in the video is right - the cia is guilty of 6 million - then they are as bad as the nazis yes. two equal crimes make the perpetrators criminals of equal degree.

Ok, forgive my ignorance, but when has the CIA ever created an infrastructure that forced people from their homes, robbed them of all their possessions, and transported them to death camps their to be murdered in their millions. The answer is never. Again the CIA has done terrible things. I don't deny that. But the comparison to the Nazis is ridiculous. Saying that the CIA is responsible for the Cambodian genocide is to free the Khmer Rouge of all responsibility. If the CIA weren't the ones who actually were doing the killing then their is no comparison to be made. That is not to say that they did not act badly, but they aren't genocidal murderers. As for me not caring about non-Jewish blood being spilled I'll say this. I care more about the lives of Jews. That's true. But I don't think there is anything strange or wrong with that. As a Jew who has grown up with a distinct awareness that my people were almost wiped off the face of the earth so recently that it is still within living memory I think I have good reason to be somewhat provincial. Add to that the fact that I look around the world and see every day more outright anti-semitism, or even worse, anti-semites who shield themselves in the cloak of anti-zionism, saying they are only expressing a political opposition to Israel when really they just hate Jews, and I get freaked the fuck out. So yeah, I care more about my own cause no one else does. That said, I value every life because I believe all life is sacred, and it's not caring that leads to genocide. That's another lesson I've learned.

EvilToasterElf

Has anyone bothered to discuss the shit poor editing job of that video. Christ after a half hour I had to turn it off. Aren't there bored college students somewhere with access to some kind of editing software so that a condemnation and claims of butchering millions of people can at least look presentable?

CorporateWhore

One word for CIA-haters:

Coldwar.

Ha, I guess that's two words but I made it into one.

The CIA was a factor in the USSR's demise. If you hate the CIA, I can only wonder how much more you hated the USSR? Or did you like it? HeH!

RavennaSeattle1911

alex jones or john birch soicity proabaly says usa bilut communism

whats the film about?im on dial up and i bet its a waste of time

since usa bombed serbs in 99 this country isnt the same

america is disgusting i think what weve become

A Surprise Left

The CIA should never have funded any sort of regime against the Khmer Rouge if they were not prepared to see the operation out (hence why America and allies cannot saying "cut and run" from Iraq now they are there btw). They are responsible for the purge to some degree but did not kill the Cambodians themselves, that was done by Pol Pot. That is not the same thing as Hitler organising jews and others to be killed, which was cold-blooded murder. I am not saying the CIA is innocent here, just trying to put it in some sort of perspective.

tara

dayan wrote:

Ok, forgive my ignorance, but when has the CIA ever created an infrastructure that forced people from their homes, robbed them of all their possessions, and transported them to death camps their to be murdered in their millions. The answer is never. Again the CIA has done terrible things. I don't deny that. But the comparison to the Nazis is ridiculous. Saying that the CIA is responsible for the Cambodian genocide is to free the Khmer Rouge of all responsibility. If the CIA weren't the ones who actually were doing the killing then their is no comparison to be made. That is not to say that they did not act badly, but they aren't genocidal murderers. As for me not caring about non-Jewish blood being spilled I'll say this. I care more about the lives of Jews. That's true. But I don't think there is anything strange or wrong with that. As a Jew who has grown up with a distinct awareness that my people were almost wiped off the face of the earth so recently that it is still within living memory I think I have good reason to be somewhat provincial. Add to that the fact that I look around the world and see every day more outright anti-semitism, or even worse, anti-semites who shield themselves in the cloak of anti-zionism, saying they are only expressing a political opposition to Israel when really they just hate Jews, and I get freaked the fuck out. So yeah, I care more about my own cause no one else does. That said, I value every life because I believe all life is sacred, and it's not caring that leads to genocide. That's another lesson I've learned.

well put

i also agree with the comment that blaming the genocide in Cambodia on the CIA is removing blame from them. i think that the more appropriate comparisson would be between hitler and pol pot. i've been to the killing fields, and one of the detention centers, and it turns my stomach even now to think of it (at the time i spent the rest of the week crying, and wrote my parents saying that i wanted to come home, of course i didn't, and spent another 8 months travelling, bt that's a different story), pol pot learned a lot of hitler, and it wasn't the cia that held the gun to his head to do it
another interesting fact about Cambodia, at the end of the regime, the UN organized some terribly run elections. guess who got put in power? pol pot's right hand man, oh yes. the rest of the khmer rouge leaders ran off to the north, and are living there comfortably today.
sorry don't have time to watch the vid right now, so maybe it went into that

Commy

the CIA's crimes are far worse than the Nazis, just more subtle. The damage they have caused around the world is incalculable. They set up tyrants all over the world..that afffects millions of lives...they fund terrorist organizations, some off the most brutal the world has seen...they fund warlords...their policies have affected many lives during and since the cold war.

and about the Cold war...the CIA lied directly to congress many times during the cold war, to encourage Congress to fund more nukes and satellites, money that could've been used to sace lives and build infrastructures for many poor countries. They've waged a terror war agaisnt Cuba...

They destroyed Cambodia, created an environment that allowed Pol Pot to take power and murder all those millions of people...they created a terror network in Afghanistan to fight the Russians, only to see it morph into AL-Quaeda.

these are just off the top of my head, but the CIA has done far worse and have literally affected billions of lives.

rationalthought

IndianSummer wrote:

the cia has killed over 6 million people (as per the video) in the developing world - in asia, latin america and africa.

i think its you who has lost all respect - respect for non-jewish life. when jews are killed for no fault of theirs by nazis its a crime, but when cia kills innocents in cambodia or nicaragua for no fault of theirs either, its obviously nothing to fret about, since they arnt god's chosen people who got killed.

assuming the claim in the video is right - the cia is guilty of 6 million - then they are as bad as the nazis yes. two equal crimes make the perpetrators criminals of equal degree.

The nazis killed far more than 6 million people. They executed over 10 million people in cold blood including Jews, communists, gays, and anyone else who they did not particularly like.

tara

would it be less horrific if it were only 4 million? (yeah, i'm just stirring up shit now, and just so noone gets offended, i come from a family that survived aushwitz, my point is that regardless of how many were killed, it was beyond inhumane). i think that the point is that the nazis directly took it upon themselves to slaughter an entire race of people, and they wanted to do this in the most cost effective, and time efficient manner, leading to uspeakable methods of murder. whereas the cia didn't actually do the trigger pulling. does that make a difference? i'm not sure,maybe a bit though; the ppl that work at the cia aren't cold blooded killers, many probably have the best intensions to resolve conflicts (is my naivete showing through?), it's a few of the head honchos that are manipulative bastards, aren't all politicians? whereas the nazis were ALL cold blooded killers, and the 6-10 million doesn't even touch upon the pow's, and allied troups they killed

sponger

The Nazi army had literally millions of soldiers in it. What are the odds that every single soldier was a cold blooded killer? I'd say the odds are pretty slim. To be a nazi soldier, all you needed was to be white and able-bodied. To say that all nazis were cold blooded killers is to say that white and able-bodied people are cold blooded killers.

Point in fact is that after WWII, these cold blooded killers blended back into normal society. Wouldn't a cold blooded killer be inclined to satisfy that instinctive desire to kill and maim regardless of whether or not a war is on?

So, it's not a matter of who is or isn't a cold blooded killer. It's a matter of what the state wants. The nazi state wanted its troops to be ruthless killers of innocent people, and so that's what they became.

If Bush somehow wrestled away our right to free speech and freedom of the press, and then ordered the extermination of, say, liberals, then I'm sure he would have no problem doing so. Our military would go door to door and begin executing anyone who believes in global warming.

IndianSummer

dayan wrote:

Ok, forgive my ignorance, but when has the CIA ever created an infrastructure that forced people from their homes, robbed them of all their possessions, and transported them to death camps their to be murdered in their millions. The answer is never. Again the CIA has done terrible things. I don't deny that. But the comparison to the Nazis is ridiculous. Saying that the CIA is responsible for the Cambodian genocide is to free the Khmer Rouge of all responsibility. If the CIA weren't the ones who actually were doing the killing then their is no comparison to be made. That is not to say that they did not act badly, but they aren't genocidal murderers. As for me not caring about non-Jewish blood being spilled I'll say this. I care more about the lives of Jews. That's true. But I don't think there is anything strange or wrong with that. As a Jew who has grown up with a distinct awareness that my people were almost wiped off the face of the earth so recently that it is still within living memory I think I have good reason to be somewhat provincial. Add to that the fact that I look around the world and see every day more outright anti-semitism, or even worse, anti-semites who shield themselves in the cloak of anti-zionism, saying they are only expressing a political opposition to Israel when really they just hate Jews, and I get freaked the fuck out. So yeah, I care more about my own cause no one else does. That said, I value every life because I believe all life is sacred, and it's not caring that leads to genocide. That's another lesson I've learned.

THE CIA is a covert operations body. unlike nazis.

the cia do their bastardy in a subtle manner and in secret, under various guises.

IndianSummer

CorporateWhore wrote:

One word for CIA-haters:

Coldwar.

Ha, I guess that's two words but I made it into one.

The CIA was a factor in the USSR's demise. If you hate the CIA, I can only wonder how much more you hated the USSR? Or did you like it? HeH!

as they pointed out in the video, the cia took on russians - by killing innocents in asia, africa and latin america.

tara

sponger wrote:

So, it's not a matter of who is or isn't a cold blooded killer. It's a matter of what the state wants. The nazi state wanted its troops to be ruthless killers of innocent people, and so that's what they became.

If Bush somehow wrestled away our right to free speech and freedom of the press, and then ordered the extermination of, say, liberals, then I'm sure he would have no problem doing so. Our military would go door to door and begin executing anyone who believes in global warming.

i should hope not, it's not a matter of what the state wants, it's a matter of whether the ppl have any sense to them. i seriously doubt that an american would turn on their neighbour, that they'd lived beside for decades, burn their babies alive, steal anything they could find, rape and beat everyone and then put them on a train to be exterminated, unless of course they chose to kill them immediately. could you do that? i hope not. and i don't think that the american military would do that. i have no idea how it came to pass in germany, but it did. and i still can't believe that it cold happen here, i don't want to believe that i know anyone with that much hate and blindness to them

dayan

IndianSummer wrote:

THE CIA is a covert operations body. unlike nazis.

the cia do their bastardy in a subtle manner and in secret, under various guises.

And this is a response to my objection how? and bastardy is not a word.

sponger

tara wrote:

i should hope not, it's not a matter of what the state wants, it's a matter of whether the ppl have any sense to them. i seriously doubt that an american would turn on their neighbour, that they'd lived beside for decades, burn their babies alive, steal anything they could find, rape and beat everyone and then put them on a train to be exterminated, unless of course they chose to kill them immediately. could you do that? i hope not. and i don't think that the american military would do that. i have no idea how it came to pass in germany, but it did. and i still can't believe that it cold happen here, i don't want to believe that i know anyone with that much hate and blindness to them

To imagine it, all you have to do is remember how a majority of americans in 2003 believed that Saddam had something to do with 9/11. That's how easy it was for the Bush Administration to brainwash an entire nation. Is that not hatred and blindness?

Germany was living in fear from its own poverty-stricken situation just as Americans were living in fear from terrorist attacks. Hitler stepped in and alleviated that fear by blaming the jews.

But, he didn't just say, "Let's exterminate the jews." He made it so that things gradually led up to that point as the state gained more and more control.

By the time the "final solution" was being implemented, the state had complete control over the populace. People were living in fear.

All Bush has to do to gain that kind of control is take away our free speech, our freedom of the press, and then brainwash the american population into thinking that global warming is a liberal conspiracy to cripple our economy so that the upper-class conservatives with their majority control of US corporations could be rendered powerless.

Now imagine being a soldier in the US army during this time. You have family that depends on you. You are one day given an order to go into a house to kidnap a liberal family so it can be relocated to a camp. If you do not follow this order, the very same thing could easily happen to you and your family. Chances are, you would carry out this order without even hesitating.

And this was heavily supported by the Milgram experiments. A group of randomly selected people willingly committed what they believed was an act of deadly electrocution on an "unwilling" individual simply because they were being ordered to do so by the test administrator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

We lead moral lifestyles because we have that luxury. Given the right conditions, an overwhelming majority of us would in fact turn our neighbors over to the gestapo.

The key to understanding why is understanding that Germans are just like anybody else. To think that they are inherently "evil" is to be blind and hateful.

dayan

you are just a wee bit nuts man. Bush might be many things (many of them bad) but he isn't the next hitler. he's not looking to strip us of our basic rights and liberties.

sponger

dayan wrote:

you are just a wee bit nuts man. Bush might be many things (many of them bad) but he isn't the next hitler. he's not looking to strip us of our basic rights and liberties.

I wasn't saying that he is. I'm saying that the US could easily be the next Nazi Germany if the right conditions existed. One of those conditions would be Bush being a psychotic mass murderer.

All I'm saying is that the nazis weren't a massive organization of evil people. It was just matter of the state having more control than it should.

dayan

fair enough.