usa pondering a regime change in pakistan !!!
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US looks at plan to oust Musharraf
* Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
* March 14, 2007
THE US has indicated for the first time that it might be willing to back plans by elite echelons of the military in Islamabad to oust Pervez Musharraf from power, as the Pakistani President was beset by major new difficulties over his attempts to sack the country's chief justice.
Reports yesterday quoting highly placed US diplomatic and intelligence officials - previously rusted on to the view that General Musharraf was an indispensable Western ally in the battle against terrorism - outlined a succession plan to replace him.
US officials told The New York Times the plan would see the Vice-Chief of the Army, Ahsan Saleem Hyat, take over from General Musharraf as head of the military and former banker Mohammedmian Soomro installed as president, with General Hyat wielding most of the power.
The report adds another dimension to the range of challenges bearing down on the embattled military ruler following his weekend sacking of chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, whom he appointed just over a year ago.
Thousands of lawyers clashed with baton-wielding riot police yesterday during a nationwide day of action against the sacking of the top judge. About 3000 lawyers wearing smart black suits and chanting "Down with Musharraf" dismantled barriers in an attempt to stage a sit-in outside the Lahore High Court building.
More than 40 lawyers and 15 police were injured in the clashes. Police repeatedly baton-charged the demonstrators, some of them senior members of the bar, arresting 25 people.
In Islamabad, police barricaded the Supreme Court where the Supreme Judicial Council was meeting in camera to consider as-yet unspecified charges against the chief justice involving alleged misuse of his authority.
There was chaos and confusion as the council began its hearings last night. Having been held virtually under siege and incommunicado in his residence, the chief justice refused to get into a government car sent to convey him to the Supreme Court.
Instead, he stunned officials by starting to walk, surrounded by supporters, and told reporters he rejected any suggestion he had abused his office. Police soon intervened, however, and he was forced into a car and taken to another building before being transferred to the Supreme Court.
As courts across the country remained paralysed in protest, motives for the sacking emerged when it was disclosed that last month Justice Iftikhar said in a speech that General Musharraf could not continue as army chief beyond the expiry of his term as President later this year.
General Musharraf has a highly controversial plan that would have him elected to another five-year term as President by existing federal and provincial legislatures - before general elections are held.
But he also wants to continue as Army Chief of Staff, something that is bitterly opposed by political leaders as well as the international community. The plan would be challenged in the courts, and the chief justice's strong words on the issue may have forced the President to take pre-emptive action to remove him.
The bitter wrangling lends weight to those in the US diplomatic and intelligence community who believe it is time to consider the post-Musharraf era.
The US report suggests a growing disenchantment towards General Musharraf in Washington and indicates that the longstanding view that the alternative to his regime would be chaos and a takeover by extremist Islamic mullahs is no longer ascendant.
The US officials say hardline Islamists have usually not done well in elections in Pakistan and that if General Musharraf were removed, a doomsday scenario would not necessarily follow.
The report could be an attempt by Washington to pressure General Musharraf to take stronger action against militants in Pakistan's border areas near Afghanistan, where the Taliban and al-Qa'ida are operating. But it might also indicate the President's allies in Washington are about to pull the rug from under him.
US looks at plan to oust Musharraf
* Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
* March 14, 2007
THE US has indicated for the first time that it might be willing to back plans by elite echelons of the military in Islamabad to oust Pervez Musharraf from power, as the Pakistani President was beset by major new difficulties over his attempts to sack the country's chief justice.
Reports yesterday quoting highly placed US diplomatic and intelligence officials - previously rusted on to the view that General Musharraf was an indispensable Western ally in the battle against terrorism - outlined a succession plan to replace him.
US officials told The New York Times the plan would see the Vice-Chief of the Army, Ahsan Saleem Hyat, take over from General Musharraf as head of the military and former banker Mohammedmian Soomro installed as president, with General Hyat wielding most of the power.
The report adds another dimension to the range of challenges bearing down on the embattled military ruler following his weekend sacking of chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, whom he appointed just over a year ago.
Thousands of lawyers clashed with baton-wielding riot police yesterday during a nationwide day of action against the sacking of the top judge. About 3000 lawyers wearing smart black suits and chanting "Down with Musharraf" dismantled barriers in an attempt to stage a sit-in outside the Lahore High Court building.
More than 40 lawyers and 15 police were injured in the clashes. Police repeatedly baton-charged the demonstrators, some of them senior members of the bar, arresting 25 people.
In Islamabad, police barricaded the Supreme Court where the Supreme Judicial Council was meeting in camera to consider as-yet unspecified charges against the chief justice involving alleged misuse of his authority.
There was chaos and confusion as the council began its hearings last night. Having been held virtually under siege and incommunicado in his residence, the chief justice refused to get into a government car sent to convey him to the Supreme Court.
Instead, he stunned officials by starting to walk, surrounded by supporters, and told reporters he rejected any suggestion he had abused his office. Police soon intervened, however, and he was forced into a car and taken to another building before being transferred to the Supreme Court.
As courts across the country remained paralysed in protest, motives for the sacking emerged when it was disclosed that last month Justice Iftikhar said in a speech that General Musharraf could not continue as army chief beyond the expiry of his term as President later this year.
General Musharraf has a highly controversial plan that would have him elected to another five-year term as President by existing federal and provincial legislatures - before general elections are held.
But he also wants to continue as Army Chief of Staff, something that is bitterly opposed by political leaders as well as the international community. The plan would be challenged in the courts, and the chief justice's strong words on the issue may have forced the President to take pre-emptive action to remove him.
The bitter wrangling lends weight to those in the US diplomatic and intelligence community who believe it is time to consider the post-Musharraf era.
The US report suggests a growing disenchantment towards General Musharraf in Washington and indicates that the longstanding view that the alternative to his regime would be chaos and a takeover by extremist Islamic mullahs is no longer ascendant.
The US officials say hardline Islamists have usually not done well in elections in Pakistan and that if General Musharraf were removed, a doomsday scenario would not necessarily follow.
The report could be an attempt by Washington to pressure General Musharraf to take stronger action against militants in Pakistan's border areas near Afghanistan, where the Taliban and al-Qa'ida are operating. But it might also indicate the President's allies in Washington are about to pull the rug from under him.
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Pakistan is the LAST place America wants a 'Democracy' to emerge.
Why? Because 80% of the Muslim population hates us... ever wonder about a country who's favorite name for baby boys after September 11, 2001 is Usama?
Who do you think will get elected by a vast majority of people who hate us?
If you guessed, "Someone who hates us"... you are probably right.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:Pakistan is the LAST place America wants a 'Democracy' to emerge.
Why? Because 80% of the Muslim population hates us... ever wonder about a country who's favorite name for baby boys after September 11, 2001 is Usama?
Who do you think will get elected by a vast majority of people who hate us?
If you guessed, "Someone who hates us"... you are probably right.
so true. pakistan is where extreme islam was born. alot of hate for us there. very touchy situation on who should be the leader. we should be very thankful the president is on our side (even if its a half assed effort)0 -
...jlew24asu wrote:so true. pakistan is where extreme islam was born. alot of hate for us there. very touchy situation on who should be the leader. we should be very thankful the president is on our side (even if its a half assed effort)
There's a reason why Usama bin Laden hasn't been found... he's in Pakistan.
And we are idiots... we are shovelling money and weapons to Pakistan to 'Be our friends'... they hate us. We're like the pathetic rich kid wuss on the block that pays the other kids in the neighborhood to be his friend. They are only his friend because he gives them money... they all think he's a dick and hate him.
Pakistan is very likely to be the Hussein-esque Iraq of the future. We HAVE to stop this idiotic 'A Friend of my enemy is my Friend' policy... it has proven not to work with Bin Laden and Hussein as shining examples of its failure. The warning lights in Pakistan are flashing... our first hint sholud be the number of babies named 'Usama'. Get a fucking clue, America.... quit being a dick.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:...
There's a reason why Usama bin Laden hasn't been found... he's in Pakistan.
And we are idiots... we are shovelling money and weapons to Pakistan to 'Be our friends'... they hate us. We're like the pathetic rich kid wuss on the block that pays the other kids in the neighborhood to be his friend. They are only his friend because he gives them money... they all think he's a dick and hate him.
Pakistan is very likely to be the Hussein-esque Iraq of the future. We HAVE to stop this idiotic 'A Friend of my enemy is my Friend' policy... it has proven not to work with Bin Laden and Hussein as shining examples of its failure. The warning lights in Pakistan are flashing... our first hint sholud be the number of babies named 'Usama'. Get a fucking clue, America.... quit being a dick.
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this would be a rather stupid move... what if a new leader is against making peace with india?? what if the new leader is more in favour of using nukes? better the devil you knowDOWNLOAD THE LATEST ISSUE OF The Last Reel: http://www.mediafire.com/?jdsqazrjzdt
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he's in (probably) the tribal areas. theres a difference. regardless we arent allowed in pakistanCosmo wrote:...
There's a reason why Usama bin Laden hasn't been found... he's in Pakistan.
we are shovelling moeny and weapons to the regime that does not hate us. the people do.Cosmo wrote:And we are idiots... we are shovelling money and weapons to Pakistan to 'Be our friends'... they hate us.
thats cuteCosmo wrote:We're like the pathetic rich kid wuss on the block that pays the other kids in the neighborhood to be his friend. They are only his friend because he gives them money... they all think he's a dick and hate him.
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this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. pakistan is a hot bed of islamic extremism. luckily we have a president in pakistan who considers us a "friend". the only option we have is to be friends with pakistan or not. should we invade? great idea. should we topple the current government? allowed some shiek to take power and have access to nukes? great idea.Cosmo wrote:Pakistan is very likely to be the Hussein-esque Iraq of the future. We HAVE to stop this idiotic 'A Friend of my enemy is my Friend' policy... it has proven not to work with Bin Laden and Hussein as shining examples of its failure. The warning lights in Pakistan are flashing... our first hint sholud be the number of babies named 'Usama'. Get a fucking clue, America.... quit being a dick.
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Cosmo wrote:...
Pakistan is very likely to be the Hussein-esque Iraq of the future. We HAVE to stop this idiotic 'A Friend of my enemy is my Friend' policy... it has proven not to work with Bin Laden and Hussein as shining examples of its failure. The warning lights in Pakistan are flashing... our first hint sholud be the number of babies named 'Usama'. Get a fucking clue, America.... quit being a dick.
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"Thousands of lawyers clashed with baton-wielding riot police yesterday"
Why do I find this funny?0 -
...jlew24asu wrote:he's in (probably) the tribal areas. theres a difference. regardless we arent allowed in pakistan
Aren't the 'Tribal Areas of Pakistan'... STILL Pakistan? What does that tell you about the influence the Pakistani President has within his own country?
...jlew24asu wrote:we are shovelling moeny and weapons to the regime that does not hate us. the people do....
Oh... that's comforting. So, there is no way these weapons may eventually get into the hands of "the people (of Pakistan)" who hate us. This is the same situation that happened in Iran.. the Shah loved us... the Iranian people hated us... that worked out real well, didn't it? I'm glad you find comfort in their leadership... I don't.
...jlew24asu wrote:thats cute...
I bet you say that to all the boys.
...jlew24asu wrote:this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. pakistan is a hot bed of islamic extremism. luckily we have a president in pakistan who considers us a "friend". the only option we have is to be friends with pakistan or not. should we invade? great idea. should we topple the current government? allowed some shiek to take power and have access to nukes? great idea.
Yeah... yeah...
The President of Pakistan is our 'Friend'... you see it as good... I don't. I see ONE Pakistan. One country filled with people who hate us lead by a leader who we are shovelling tax dollars to. I don't think that's a good idea... you do. I don't believe he will be the President over there FOREVER. Eventually, he will fall from power. He will more than likely seek to retain power by oppressing his people... i don't think that would be good for us... apparently, you see different.
You need to get your facts straight... I never said anything about toppling their government... their people will eventually get around to doing that. and guess who they will put in charge... an Anti-American religious fuck.
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My (pre-Iraq mess) tack would have been to play hardball with fucking Pakistan and place them on notice that if they choose the same course of action that Afghanistan did... harboring Usama bin Laden, they will be dealt with iin the same manner. I wouldn't be kissing that asshole's butt.
Of course... with all that's going on in Iraq... we're screwed. From here, I would cut payment (cash and weapons) to Pakistan and place a conditions on them... no payment until bin Laden is handed over.
I don't like the wussy policy... I guess that the main division.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Were only bombing countries because we love them..why can't they just accept it?
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bombs for peace...Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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its pakistan by borders, but barely. you pretend to be a smart guy. read up about the tribal areas.Cosmo wrote:...
Aren't the 'Tribal Areas of Pakistan'... STILL Pakistan?
I dont know, why dont you give us a 6 paragraph explanation about it. its tells me the area has been untouched by foreign influence and governments for hundreds of years. the british are the ones who put borders around it and called it pakistan.Cosmo wrote:What does that tell you about the influence the Pakistani President has within his own country?
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hey I dont either, but right now there is no other way.Cosmo wrote:Oh... that's comforting. So, there is no way these weapons may eventually get into the hands of "the people (of Pakistan)" who hate us. This is the same situation that happened in Iran.. the Shah loved us... the Iranian people hated us... that worked out real well, didn't it? I'm glad you find comfort in their leadership... I don't.
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o stop it.Cosmo wrote:I bet you say that to all the boys.
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how is it not good? would you rather they be an enemy?Cosmo wrote:Yeah... yeah...
The President of Pakistan is our 'Friend'... you see it as good... I don't.
maybe you should be a little more open minded and accept pakistan for what it is. its not ONE country. its a fucked up place filled with hateful people, lead by a guy who has the balls to call america a friend.Cosmo wrote:I see ONE Pakistan. One country filled with people who hate us lead by a leader who we are shovelling tax dollars to.
of course you dont. but I have yet to hear what you would rather do. invade I guess.Cosmo wrote:I don't think that's a good idea... you do.
so now you care about the little guy in pakistan? thats also cute.Cosmo wrote:I don't believe he will be the President over there FOREVER. Eventually, he will fall from power. He will more than likely seek to retain power by oppressing his people... i don't think that would be good for us... apparently, you see different.
so what should we do? go ahead and hate the current government and president becuase one day he will be gone? so stupid.Cosmo wrote:You need to get your facts straight... I never said anything about toppling their government... their people will eventually get around to doing that. and guess who they will put in charge... an Anti-American religious fuck.
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we did that. and many el queda leaders and taliban have been captured or killed.Cosmo wrote:My (pre-Iraq mess) tack would have been to play hardball with fucking Pakistan and place them on notice that if they choose the same course of action that Afghanistan did
he is in the tribal areas that pakistan has little control over. you really dont know shit about that area do you? google it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1711316.stmCosmo wrote:... harboring Usama bin Laden,
same manner? you want to invade a country of 160 million nuke holding extremist? genius.Cosmo wrote:they will be dealt with iin the same manner.
such a tough guyCosmo wrote:I wouldn't be kissing that asshole's butt.
maybe you are too dumb to realize that this wouldnt do shit. it would only alienate us more in the regionCosmo wrote:Of course... with all that's going on in Iraq... we're screwed. From here, I would cut payment (cash and weapons) to Pakistan and place a conditions on them... no payment until bin Laden is handed over.
I know your such a tough guy. you want to play hardball. that would accomplish nothing. cosmo for presidentCosmo wrote:I don't like the wussy policy... I guess that the main division.
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...jlew24asu wrote:its pakistan by borders, but barely. you pretend to be a smart guy. read up about the tribal areas.
I dont know, why dont you give us a 6 paragraph explanation about it. its tells me the area has been untouched by foreign influence and governments for hundreds of years. the british are the ones who put borders around it and called it pakistan.
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hey I dont either, but right now there is no other way.
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o stop it.
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how is it not good? would you rather they be an enemy?
maybe you should be a little more open minded and accept pakistan for what it is. its not ONE country. its a fucked up place filled with hateful people, lead by a guy who has the balls to call america a friend.
of course you dont. but I have yet to hear what you would rather do. invade I guess.
so now you care about the little guy in pakistan? thats also cute.
so what should we do? go ahead and hate the current government and president becuase one day he will be gone? so stupid.
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we did that. and many el queda leaders and taliban have been captured or killed.
he is in the tribal areas that pakistan has little control over. you really dont know shit about that area do you? google it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1711316.stm
same manner? you want to invade a country of 160 million nuke holding extremist? genius.
such a tough guy
maybe you are too dumb to realize that this wouldnt do shit. it would only alienate us more in the region
I know your such a tough guy. you want to play hardball. that would accomplish nothing. cosmo for president
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Instead of a moronic sentence by sentence breakdown... which usually leads to things taken out of context... a moron's approach... I'll plot your basic ideals versus mine.
Sorry to break the news to you... the President of Pakistan probably hates us.... but, he loves the money and weapons we ship his way... so he says... "Sure... I'll be your valentine... here's my routing number so you can direct deposit your taxes into my account". We are just too stupid to see this and keep on shovelling our taxes and firearms into his pockets.
You want to continue this policy.... again, that served us well with Saddam Hussein and Usama Bin Laden in the past... I think it's about time we learn from our fucking mistakes and quit doing this shit.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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ffg you hearin this madness??Cosmo wrote:...
Instead of a moronic sentence by sentence breakdown... which usually leads to things taken out of context... a moron's approach...
great watch me tear them apart sentence by sentence. ready.....Cosmo wrote:I'll plot your basic ideals versus mine.
he proabably does??? probably??? ok I guess I'll take your word for it. wait are you sure?Cosmo wrote:Sorry to break the news to you... the President of Pakistan probably hates us....
this may come as a shock to you but many countries do business together including but not limited to the USACosmo wrote:but, he loves the money and weapons we ship his way... so he says... "Sure... I'll be your valentine... here's my routing number so you can direct deposit your taxes into my account".
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we know what we are doing. the only alternative (your genius way) is to make them our enemy. then they will just attain weapons from other countries and use them against us.Cosmo wrote:We are just too stupid to see this and keep on shovelling our taxes and firearms into his pockets.
at the time it did. it prevented Iran from taking over the middle east.Cosmo wrote:You want to continue this policy.... again, that served us well with Saddam Hussein
at the time we helped a forgein invader and enemy of the united states to be defeated.Cosmo wrote:and Usama Bin Laden in the past...
what mistakes did we make? supporting saddam and osama helped achieve our goals at the time.Cosmo wrote:I think it's about time we learn from our fucking mistakes and quit doing this shit.
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jlew24asu wrote:what mistakes did we make? supporting saddam and osama helped achieve our goals at the time.
If by goals, you mean create a region of endless conflict and instability, you would be correct.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
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Abookamongstthemany wrote:If by goals, you mean create a region of endless conflict and instability, you would be correct.
you want to hold all the blame on the US? I believe they share it.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:you want to hold all the blame on the US? I believe they share it.
So how about learning from bad policy and not ignoring and repeating it?If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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Abookamongstthemany wrote:So how about learning from bad policy and not ignoring and repeating it?
we are talking about being friends with pakistan right? that is the bad policy you speak of?
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jlew24asu wrote:we are talking about being friends with pakistan right? that is the bad policy you speak of?
ok whats the alternative?
lol.
man, you never cease to humor me.
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gue_barium wrote:lol.
man, you never cease to humor me.
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