Seriously, who do you think won?

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  • Brain of J.Lo
    Brain of J.Lo Posts: 3,259
    slightofjeff wrote:
    The other 18 percent think Reagan won ;)

    :D lol!
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    catching the highlights now.

    what the fuck is Lehrer doing insisting they talk to each other? who fucking cares? this shit is pissing me off already.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    MrSmith wrote:
    catching the highlights now.

    what the fuck is Lehrer doing insisting they talk to each other? who fucking cares? this shit is pissing me off already.

    At some points, it made the debate a little too argumentative ... but I dunno ... I thought it was an interesting change of pace.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • It_Wasnt_My_Surface
    It_Wasnt_My_Surface Posts: 851
    MrSmith wrote:
    catching the highlights now.

    what the fuck is Lehrer doing insisting they talk to each other? who fucking cares? this shit is pissing me off already.

    I agree with you totally...It was like he was trying to spread an even bigger gap between the two parties. I think we have enough of a problem with that now.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    MrSmith wrote:
    catching the highlights now.

    what the fuck is Lehrer doing insisting they talk to each other? who fucking cares? this shit is pissing me off already.
    that was the whole point of the debate, they each had 2 minutes to answer the question, then they were supposed to argue with each other for 5 minutes. i guess they forgot to tell McCain and Obama that.

    If I ever run for president, my first response would start with a hefty "Listen Jackass......." that would immediately set the tone.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    teskeinc wrote:
    that was the whole point of the debate, they each had 2 minutes to answer the question, then they were supposed to argue with each other for 5 minutes. i guess they forgot to tell McCain and Obama that.

    If I ever run for president, my first response would start with a hefty "Listen Jackass......." that would immediately set the tone.

    "Barack, you ignorant slut ... "
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    The few polls I've seen so far (barring the Fox News poll sleightofjeff mentioned), seem to be giving a slight, slight lead to Obama. Don't have links yet, as I've mostly seen them on TV, but I'm sure they're out there.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    digster wrote:
    The few polls I've seen so far (barring the Fox News poll sleightofjeff mentioned), seem to be giving a slight, slight lead to Obama. Don't have links yet, as I've mostly seen them on TV, but I'm sure they're out there.

    I mentioned mine as a joke. You shouldn't even take that one with a mound of salt. :)

    That said, these "insta-polls" are notoriously unreliable.

    We won't really know who "won" until we look at the polls the next couple of days. And really, the only polls that are going to matter are those of undecided voters in these handful of battleground states.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    slightofjeff wrote:
    "Barack, you ignorant slut ... "

    I'm old enough to understand this ... hilarious.

    draw ... at best ...

    if not ... both lost.

    I thought they both were pretty weak.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Obama was the clear "winner" for me...

    McCain acted like Dick Chenney....grrrrr....

    McChenney was scared to look at Obama...
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    PEPPER wrote:
    I noticed this also, probably because he didn't want to start laughing at him.....
    No, he was just exceptionally rude.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    PEPPER wrote:
    You want to talk about rude...Obama is the most thin skinned politician on the national stage. Like a spoiled, immature child he couldn’t wait his turn to respond to the scolding that McCain gave him.
    Actually.....
    that's what you sound like right now.
    McCain was damn rude and you know it. He did not hardly even look at him when he was talking. It's just common decency to look someone in the eyes when they are talking to you.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    PEPPER wrote:
    I noticed this also, probably because he didn't want to start laughing at him.....at least one thing was determined

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc&eurl=http://badgerblogger.com/?p=7765

    are you capable of having an original thought....?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PEPPER wrote:
    I thought that McCain was pretty much bitch-slapping Obama most of the night. Especially the stuff on Russia. He needs to drive home the Energy Independence = JOBS thing harder. I also thought he was weak at the beginning. When Obama was trying to claim that he was warning of the Fannie/Freddie thing 2 years ago. McCain should have pointed out that he was on the congressional record, not Obama.

    Also, don’t say things like “I have one too” about the bracelet and then not know the name of the soldier on it. Looking at his wrist to get the name was pretty lame.

    A little biased are we. I thought that at the start of the debate, when they focused on the economy, Obama clearly had the upper hand. He seemed confident while McCain fumbled here and there. When foreign policy came up McCain definitely had Obama on the defensive a few times but he managed to keep his ground. Over all it was a draw for me. Which, as a few of you have stated, benefits Obamam since this was supposed to be McCain's forte.
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  • chipboy
    chipboy Posts: 137
    I'm disappointed. I thought Obama had a real opportunity last night to distinguish himself from McCain and didn't get the job done. The bailout questions should have been hit out of the park by Obama and he looked wishy washy and non committal. When Lehrer asks "How do you all stand on the recovery plan? -- are you in favor of this plan?" Obama answers with "We haven't seen the language yet." He should have come out stronger and said "I do not support the plan that President Bush offered that puts the burden of bailing out his failed policies on the backs of the American tax payer without any change that will protect us from getting into this situation again in the future. What I will support is a plan that helps the unfortunate folks who are losing their houses to foreclosure. I will support a plan that gives us more oversight and regulation over greedy CEO's and that limits their compensation. I will vote for a plan that is in the best interests of Main St not Wall St."

    When Lehrer presses "But if I hear the two of you correctly neither one of you is suggesting any major changes in what you want to do as president as a result of the financial bailout? Is that what you're saying?" Obama should have said "That's right. I realized when I made my plans that I would be inheriting a mess from George W Bush. It's no surprise to me or anyone else who has been paying attention that we are in a recession and economic crisis despite Senator McCain's claims that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. My plans are going to make America a stronger country by creating new jobs in an energy economy, fixing the broken health care system, and making sure we are the best educated people in the world. Wall St is based on future confidence. My plans will fix what George Bush and John McCain have done to Main St the last eight years and Wall St will respond to that."

    Instead I had to hear over and over again that "John McCain is right." What the fuck Barack? Do you want to win or not?

    McCain for his part stayed breathing throughout and thus exceeded expectations. He didn't look old and senile so he looks like he could stay alive for four years should Sarah Palin be elected Vice President. That's a win for him. He kept pounding Obama for "not understanding and not getting it." He stayed in the hunt last night and keeps it close enough for the Bradley effect or Diebold to put him over the top.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    chipboy wrote:
    He didn't look old and senile so he looks like he could stay alive for four years should Sarah Palin be elected Vice President. That's a win for him.
    Really? Í didn't think he looked that great. He looks sick to me. Unless he is suffering toxic shock from all that make up. I don't think he has looked good for a few weeks. Hope i'm wrong. Don't want his as my President but clearly don't wish ill health on anyone.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    PEPPER wrote:
    ...just calling it like I see it...sorry if I am coming off as immature...didn't realize typing on an open message board made me look immature...o wait….maybe it is.

    Do you think not looking into someone’s eye is rude...give me a break...do you want to know what was rude, Obama always called McCain “John” which struck me as being very disrespectful. McCain always referred to Obama as Senator Obama.
    Guess we will just have to agree to disagree then.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    PEPPER wrote:
    I can do that, have a great Saturday, I am off to make some beer...later gator
    You too. Enjoy your brewing. My boyfriend loves to brew. It's his second love ;)
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Nothing said really stands out in my mind, although I though both men handled themselves very well.

    I'd say it was a tie, but like people have mentioned, that only helps Obama..
  • Vince
    Vince Posts: 174
    It was the same old stuff from McCain. I felt like I was sitting through one of his stump speeches.
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