"Intimacy kits" replace bibles in hotel rooms

SuzannePjamSuzannePjam Posts: 411
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
Thought this was an interesting commentary on society today and how much things have changed.

Newsweek
By Roya Wolverson

In the rooms of Manhattan's trendy Soho Grand Hotel guests can enjoy an eclectic selection of underground music, iPod docking stations, flat-screen TVs and even the living company of a complimentary goldfish. But, alas, the word of God is nowhere to be found. Unlike traditional hotels, the 10-year-old boutique has never put Bibles in its guest rooms, because "society evolves," says hotel spokeswoman Lori DeBlois. Providing Bibles would mean the hotel "would have to take care of every guest's belief."
What might be surprising to many Americans is that the Bible-free room isn't a development just in hip New York City hotels. Across the country upscale accommodations are doing away with the Bible as a standard room amenity. And in its stead have arrived a slew of "lifestyle" products that cater to a younger, hipper (and presumably less religious) clientele. Since 2001 the number of luxury hotels with religious materials in the rooms has dropped by 18 percent, according to the American Hotel and Lodging Association. The Nashville-based Gideons International, which has distributed copies of the Christian scripture to hotels since 1908, declined to comment on this trend.
Edgier chains like the W provide "intimacy kits" with condoms in the minibar, while New York's Mercer Hotel supplies a free condom in each bathroom. Neither has Bibles. Since its recent renovation, the Sofitel L.A. offers a tantalizing lovers' dice game: roll one die for the action to be performed (for example, "kiss," "lick") and the other for the associated body part. The hotel's "mile high" kit, sold in the revamped gift shop, includes a condom, a mini vibrator, a feather tickler and lubricant. The new Indigo hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., a "branded boutique" launched by InterContinental, also has no Bibles, but it does offer a "One Night Stand" package for guests seeking VIP treatment at local nightclubs and late checkout for the hazy morning after.

The reason for hotels' shift in focus? Leisure travel is up, business travel is down, and younger generations are entering the hotel market. Leisure now leads business by more than 10 percent in U.S. hotel stays, according to travel research firm D. K. Shifflet & Associates. With the lead in technology, design and nightlife, the boutique market is where Generations X, Y and young baby boomers want to be, says CEO Doug Shifflet. And with the boutique sector booming (boutique hotel rooms have grown by 23 percent since 2001, compared to only 7 percent for standard rooms), more traditional chains, which once catered to business clientele, are now desperate to emulate.
Sofitel's brand, for example, is taking "a new direction," says Daniel Entenberg, the "romance concierge" at the chain's flagship Los Angeles location. He was brought in two years ago in an effort to reposition the entire company's image. The chain once had Bibles in all guest rooms, but the corporate office in Dallas recently removed them due to guest inquiries about why other religious texts weren't available.
Even the staid Marriott chain, founded by a Mormon, is debating whether or not to include Bibles in its yet to be named boutique chain, which is set to launch in partnership with hipster hotelier Ian Schrager, who created the '70s disco Studio 54 and later New York City's Morgans, Royalton and Paramount hotels—which are largely credited with kicking off the boutique hotel craze. Schrager says he hasn't yet discussed the Bible amenity with Marriott, though he adds that his properties have never had in-room Bibles.
Marriott spokesman John Wolf says the Bible question is premature for the new venture, which he describes as "cutting-edge," "more urban" and "less values-oriented." Now, there's a marketing slogan no one's tried yet: "Sleep with us. Leave the values at home."
"Where there is sacrifice there is someone collecting the sacrificial offerings."-- Ayn Rand

"Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead,
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    So it was really concerns about why other religions weren't represented that caused them to remove the bible, right?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    know1 wrote:
    So it was really concerns about why other religions weren't represented that caused them to remove the bible, right?

    probably. you think it's a war on christianity or something? cmon... you know the climate these days. it's only a matter of time until someone up and filed a lawsuit against somebody over them pushing bibles without having a single koran or whatever in the house. plus, people probably just don't give a shit about a bible so where's the cost effectiveness? it makes more sense to offer services your guest will use... nobody wants to reach for a condom to bang the hot chick they brought home from the bar and come up with a bible instead.
  • I never really understood why bibles were there anyway... If you are someone who reads the bible, wouldn't you pack one?
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    eeew! I don't even use their soap or shampoo, so I'm hardly going to avail myself of their condoms or vibrator????? :eek:

    And if I was one to read the bible, I'd have my own with me anyway.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    I never really understood why bibles were there anyway... If you are someone who reads the bible, wouldn't you pack one?
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  • Jeanie wrote:
    eeew! I don't even use their soap or shampoo, so I'm hardly going to avail myself of their condoms or vibrator????? :eek:

    And if I was one to read the bible, I'd have my own with me anyway.

    I always use the hotel soap and shampoo (less to pack, and it's even more of a pain in the ass now to bring liquids on carryons - not that they ever check mine), but I wouldn't use a condom that they provided... too much of a risk of some jackass poking a hole in it or something.
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  • Sexuality is a natural part of the human experience.

    Religion, while very important to some people, is not.

    I think it's smart...not to mention, cool. :)
  • Were hotels ever under any obligation to cater for guests' religious beliefs? I don't think so. If they want to change from the traditional to the more relevant (such as condoms and vibrators) it's their call.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    slowly working the prudes out of this nation...ridin the bull....doin the happy dance...feeling the flow... workin it....workin it...
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Those bibles were really good for rolling joints, too. How the hell are you going to smoke a condom? (Don't answer that one.)
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    know1 wrote:
    So it was really concerns about why other religions weren't represented that caused them to remove the bible, right?

    That neverending war on Christianity is horrible !!!! Soon Christians will be forced to practice their religion in secrecy in these hotels.
  • HartydogHartydog Posts: 2,060
    I always use the hotel soap and shampoo (less to pack, and it's even more of a pain in the ass now to bring liquids on carryons - not that they ever check mine), but I wouldn't use a condom that they provided... too much of a risk of some jackass poking a hole in it or something.

    if I remember the one room I had with one of those kits they are sealed in a tin.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    probably. you think it's a war on christianity or something? cmon... you know the climate these days. it's only a matter of time until someone up and filed a lawsuit against somebody over them pushing bibles without having a single koran or whatever in the house. plus, people probably just don't give a shit about a bible so where's the cost effectiveness? it makes more sense to offer services your guest will use... nobody wants to reach for a condom to bang the hot chick they brought home from the bar and come up with a bible instead.

    The hotels aren't paying for the bibles.

    That being said, the title of the thread doesn't really align with the way the story was presented if someone takes the time to read it.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Now there is something I can use. I've never had a use for those bibles. If I owned a hotel, I'd include a textbook on evolution.
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  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    Hard to call it a war on christianity when you actually have to put effort into finding a few hotels that don't have bibles in the room. I'd say it is the opposite. A war for christianity which they seem to be winning, in hotel rooms anyway.

    I noticed there are also a few restaurants who are waging a war on french fries. They are quite difficult to find though.

    I think it should be a law that every restaurant has french fries.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    probably. you think it's a war on christianity or something? cmon... you know the climate these days. it's only a matter of time until someone up and filed a lawsuit against somebody over them pushing bibles without having a single koran or whatever in the house. plus, people probably just don't give a shit about a bible so where's the cost effectiveness?
    exactly. if anyone wants to read a bible i'm sure they can take their own. and seriously. would anyone here even touch one of the bibles that are in the rooms? place it lovingly in your hands or lean it on your chest? the one's i have seen are old, stinky, been touched by god knows how many people, eaten on, things spilled on. like c'mon. you want a bible in your room. take one.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Now there is something I can use. I've never had a use for those bibles. If I owned a hotel, I'd include a textbook on evolution.

    Is the paper thinner?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    exactly. if anyone wants to read a bible i'm sure they can take their own. and seriously. would anyone here even touch one of the bibles that are in the rooms? place it lovingly in your hands or lean it on your chest? the one's i have seen are old, stinky, been touched by god knows how many people, eaten on, things spilled on. like c'mon. you want a bible in your room. take one.

    You sleep on the beds, don't you? I think their getting a lot more of the stuff you mentioned than the bible is.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Now there is something I can use. I've never had a use for those bibles. If I owned a hotel, I'd include a textbook on evolution.

    I've always wondered, do they feel guilty printing those textbooks with the blank pages sprinkled throughout them?
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    know1 wrote:
    I've always wondered, do they feel guilty printing those textbooks with the blank pages sprinkled throughout them?

    No, I'm sure they would just fill in the blanks with fantasy jibberish like in the bible.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    I always use the hotel soap and shampoo (less to pack, and it's even more of a pain in the ass now to bring liquids on carryons - not that they ever check mine), but I wouldn't use a condom that they provided... too much of a risk of some jackass poking a hole in it or something.

    Yeah, I probably could, but I have a hard enough time with the sheets, towels, pillows and the bedspread! :eek: I'm forever inspecting the place with a microscope practically before I can get to sleep. I need one of them blue light thingies they have on CSI to check for body fluids! :D :eek:

    I do use their soap sometimes for washing my hands if it's wrapped up, but I just figure it's easier to take my own. There are so many things they wanna check my bags for at airports these days I just figure I will get checked and I may as well take what I like coz the time's gonna be wasted anyway.

    Can you imagine the deal with vibrators??? I mean come on! They can barely clean the rooms in some places! :eek:
    Nah I'm one of those everything but the kitchen sink folk. If I use it, it comes with me from home. I've even been known to bring my own towels and sheets and pillow.

    haha! just reading back over that it's a wonder I leave home at all! :D
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yeah, I probably could, but I have a hard enough time with the sheets, towels, pillows and the bedspread! I'm forever inspecting the place with a microscope practically before I can get to sleep. I need one of them blue light thingies they have on CSI to check for body fluids! :eek:

    I do use their soap sometimes for washing my hands if it's wrapped up, but I just figure it's easier to take my own. There are so many things they wanna check my bags for at airports these days I just figure I will get checked and I may as well take what I like coz the time's gonna be wasted anyway.

    Can you imagine the deal with vibrators??? I mean come on! They can barely clean the rooms in some places! :eek:
    Nah I'm one of those everything but the kitchen sink folk. If I use it, it comes with me from home. I've even been known to bring my own towels and sheets and pillow.

    haha! just reading back over that it's a wonder I leave home at all! :D

    uhh Jeanie? it says that the vibrators can be bought in the hotel giftshop. it's not as though one comes with the room and it gets reused from guests to the next guest that rents that room...ewwww. it's not like having a clothes iron in every room


    ooh this is a great room...would you just look at the vibrator that comes with this one! ;):D
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    good
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    prism wrote:
    uhh Jeanie? it says that the vibrators can be bought in the hotel giftshop. it's not as though one comes with the room and it gets reused from guests to the next guest that rents that room...ewwww. it's not like having a clothes iron in every room


    ooh this is a great room...would you just look at the vibrator that comes with this one! ; ) : D


    :D hehe! You can tell I've had a lot of experience with vibrators can't you? ;)

    There's no way I'm shashaying into the "gift shop" to peruse the toys! :o
    I was just thinking they'd have them in the room like they do the mini bar. And I'm dodgy on the mini bar so even if they were claiming that the vibrators and condoms were hermatically sealed and brand new, I still wouldn't touch em with a barge pole! :eek:

    But it's a relief to know they're not gonna start leaving vibrators on the pillow like chocolates! :D Or in the drawer like the bibles.
    NOPE!!!

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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Jeanie wrote:
    :D hehe! You can tell I've had a lot of experience with vibrators can't you?

    There's no way I'm shashaying into the "gift shop" to peruse the toys! :o
    I was just thinking they'd have them in the room like they do the mini bar. And I'm dodgy on the mini bar so even if they were claiming that the vibrators and condoms were hermatically sealed and brand new, I still wouldn't touch em with a barge pole! :eek:

    But it's a relief to know they're not gonna start leaving vibrators on the pillow like chocolates! :D Or in the drawer like the bibles.

    ooh that's a great idea....chocolate vibrators! okay, so maybe that could get a bit messy... :D
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    prism wrote:
    ooh that's a great idea....chocolate vibrators! okay, so maybe that could get a bit messy... :D


    Messy is good! :D But why ruin perfectly good chocolate? ;)
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    No, I'm sure they would just fill in the blanks with fantasy jibberish like in the bible.

    My point exactly.
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    It's about time they did away with that ridiculous bible custom!!! If I want to read fiction, I usually have a book or two with me, anyhow. I don't need their provided fictional work.

    By the same token, if you're going to be staying in a hotel room with a lover, chances are you'll have condoms, anyway. Besides, they probably provide condoms that have spermicide ( nonoxynol-9) and I can't use those. The nonoxynol-9 painfully burns and irritates the meatus, head and urethra of my willy. Only non-spermicide condoms, for me!
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    NMyTree wrote:
    By the same token, if you're going to be staying in a hotel room with a lover, chances are you'll have condoms, anyway. Besides, they probably provide condoms that have spermicide ( nonoxynol-9) and I can't use those. The nonoxynol-9 painfully burns and irritates the meatus, head and urethra of my willy. Only non-spermicide condoms, for me!

    too much information :o;)
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