Mom sues after IVF brings 2 babies instead of 1

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IVF nororiously brings more than one child because the chances of an embryo miscarrying are so high. That's why doctors typically implant more than one. I wonder if the doctor promised her that he would implant only one embyro and then decided to implant two after all, or was just following standard procedure by implanting more than one egg? Anyway, life is just not made to order. I wonder if she managed to get pregnant with twins on her own if she would sue her partner because she only wanted one? And I love the part about how they want "private school fees."

Mom sues after IVF brings 2 babies instead of 1
Australian woman seeks $332,000 to cover cost of raising extra child

Updated: 4:43 p.m. ET Sept 18, 2007
CANBERRA, Australia - An Australian woman who gave birth to twins instead of a single baby after receiving in-vitro fertilization has sued her doctor for the cost of bringing up the second child.
The woman, who cannot be identified because of a court order, is seeking more than 400,000 Australian dollars (US $332,000) to cover the expense of raising one child until age 21.
Testifying in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory on Tuesday, the 40-year-old mother said she told her doctor, Robert Armellin, that she only wanted one child. But an embryologist under the doctor's supervision implanted two embryos in her uterus, resulting in the birth of non-identical twin girls.
The woman told the court that she and her partner were devastated when they learned she was carrying twins, and had even considered putting one of the babies up for adoption.
She said that while she enjoyed some aspects of her pregnancy, such as decorating the girls' nursery, other parts were distressing, including purchasing a stroller, or pram.
"It was like the last frontier of acceptance to spend hundreds of dollars on a pram," she said.
The couple, whose combined income exceeds A$100,000 (US $82,875), are seeking A$398,000 (US $329,000) to cover the costs of raising one of the girls, including private school fees. They also want around A$15,000 (US $12,427) to compensate them for time off work and medical expenses.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    this is ridiculous. but i totally understand how distressing it is buying a stroller. :rolleyes: give me a break stupid people. LMFAO!!!!! :D:D
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Yes must be such a stress to have two instead of one. Anyone else would be happy.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Don't play god!!!

    If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids. When two women can have sex and get one another pregnant then maybe you should have a child. If you go to this extreme and then there is a mistake, that is the chance you take.


    And I am for same sex couples adopting and having children.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    even flow? wrote:
    Don't play god!!!

    If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids. When two women can have sex and get one another pregnant then maybe you should have a child. If you go to this extreme and then there is a mistake, that is the chance you take.


    And I am for same sex couples adopting and having children.

    Good so that goes for all the straight couples with fertility problems aswell then and believe me there quite a few, they should just adopt right? And not be allowed to have there own children either.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    spiral out wrote:
    Good so that goes for all the straight couples with fertility problems aswell then and believe me there quite a few, they should just adopt right? And not be allowed to have there own children either.

    I'm sorry, I don't think I typed that.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    even flow? wrote:
    I'm sorry, I don't think I typed that.

    So IVF is ok if you are not gay?

    Not sure how that differs from straight people with fertility problems, god doesn't want them to get pregnant either.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    spiral out wrote:
    So IVF is ok if you are not gay?

    Not sure how that differs from straight people with fertility problems, god doesn't want them to get pregnant either.


    If you want to go to somebody who is playing god for you. (if you believe in god) then don't complain when it dosen't go right. I really could care less who uses the method.

    If you smoke ciggies you do know there is a chance of lung cancer.

    If you drink booze there is a chance of liver problems.

    If you can't get pregnant and turn to a unnatural way of getting pregnant things can go wrong.

    I think that pretty well spells out how and what I feel about the situation.

    Same as if you adopt and the kid is from a crack whore and you didn't know and then the kid goes to the shits or has bad health problems you can't give it back. You get what you pay for. Poor people are now stuck with two kids instead of one. Shut up, suck it up and show them both love. Not being able to afford a second child dosen't mean you get to sue for the cost.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    even flow? wrote:
    Don't play god!!!
    If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids.

    What a load of crap.

    What will happen one day if you ever need medical attention to transform/save your life? You get a illness that will be terminal if treatment is NOT administered? Are you going to tell the Doctor's not to play god? Are you going to tell them that maybe god thinks you shouldn't be around?
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    What a load of crap.

    What will happen one day if you ever need medical attention to transform/save your life? You get a illness that will be terminal if treatment is NOT administered? Are you going to tell the Doctor's not to play god? Are you going to tell them that maybe god thinks you shouldn't be around?


    You can't see a difference between a health problem and the need for a child?
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    even flow? wrote:
    Same as if you adopt and the kid is from a crack whore and you didn't know and then the kid goes to the shits or has bad health problems you can't give it back. You get what you pay for. Poor people are now stuck with two kids instead of one. Shut up, suck it up and show them both love. Not being able to afford a second child dosen't mean you get to sue for the cost.

    I agree with you here.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    even flow? wrote:
    If you want to go to somebody who is playing god for you. (if you believe in god) then don't complain when it dosen't go right. I really could care less who uses the method.

    If you smoke ciggies you do know there is a chance of lung cancer.

    If you drink booze there is a chance of liver problems.

    If you can't get pregnant and turn to a unnatural way of getting pregnant things can go wrong.

    I think that pretty well spells out how and what I feel about the situation.

    Same as if you adopt and the kid is from a crack whore and you didn't know and then the kid goes to the shits or has bad health problems you can't give it back. You get what you pay for. Poor people are now stuck with two kids instead of one. Shut up, suck it up and show them both love. Not being able to afford a second child dosen't mean you get to sue for the cost.

    Wow take take a chill pill.

    I don't think the woman has the right to sue ethier.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    even flow? wrote:
    You can't see a difference between a health problem and the need for a child?
    I don't see the relevance with your god quote.
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Damn that's a stupid lawsuit.
    a - you cannot get pregnant the usual way you go try ivf
    b - you chose ivf you get information on ivf
    c - you learn that ivf, like any other medical procedure, is not perfect and you learn about the risks of such a procedure
    d - you get two kids you try to make the best of it.
    The fact that this woman sues shows that she is either ignorant of the medical procedure she chose to have her kid or is a hipocrite. Either way she doesn't really do a good job on being a decent person.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    IVF nororiously brings more than one child because the chances of an embryo miscarrying are so high. That's why doctors typically implant more than one. I wonder if the doctor promised her that he would implant only one embyro and then decided to implant two after all, or was just following standard procedure by implanting more than one egg? Anyway, life is just not made to order. I wonder if she managed to get pregnant with twins on her own if she would sue her partner because she only wanted one? And I love the part about how they want "private school fees."

    Mom sues after IVF brings 2 babies instead of 1
    Australian woman seeks $332,000 to cover cost of raising extra child

    Updated: 4:43 p.m. ET Sept 18, 2007
    CANBERRA, Australia - An Australian woman who gave birth to twins instead of a single baby after receiving in-vitro fertilization has sued her doctor for the cost of bringing up the second child.
    The woman, who cannot be identified because of a court order, is seeking more than 400,000 Australian dollars (US $332,000) to cover the expense of raising one child until age 21.
    Testifying in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory on Tuesday, the 40-year-old mother said she told her doctor, Robert Armellin, that she only wanted one child. But an embryologist under the doctor's supervision implanted two embryos in her uterus, resulting in the birth of non-identical twin girls.
    The woman told the court that she and her partner were devastated when they learned she was carrying twins, and had even considered putting one of the babies up for adoption.
    She said that while she enjoyed some aspects of her pregnancy, such as decorating the girls' nursery, other parts were distressing, including purchasing a stroller, or pram.
    "It was like the last frontier of acceptance to spend hundreds of dollars on a pram," she said.
    The couple, whose combined income exceeds A$100,000 (US $82,875), are seeking A$398,000 (US $329,000) to cover the costs of raising one of the girls, including private school fees. They also want around A$15,000 (US $12,427) to compensate them for time off work and medical expenses.

    it's good to see our american culture of passing the buck is rubbing off on our allies...
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    What a load of crap.

    What will happen one day if you ever need medical attention to transform/save your life? You get a illness that will be terminal if treatment is NOT administered? Are you going to tell the Doctor's not to play god? Are you going to tell them that maybe god thinks you shouldn't be around?

    you're going to say "it's worth the risk of not having the procedure." not having the procedure=die. having it=maybe you'll live. this is the same thing, you weigh the risks. not having ivf=you're not going to have a baby. having ivf=it might not work, you might get two, something might go wrong, etc etc. she knew the risks when she contracted the doctor. now she should accept them.
  • This is a bloody disgrace and an embarrassment. I wonder which kid they are suing for..... twin A or twin B....... imagine how these kids are gonna feel when they're old enough to understand that their mothers thought they were such a mistake that they had to try and sue the doctor who helped them achieve what was biologically impossible. These women don't deserve kids.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    you're going to say "it's worth the risk of not having the procedure." not having the procedure=die. having it=maybe you'll live. this is the same thing, you weigh the risks. not having ivf=you're not going to have a baby. having ivf=it might not work, you might get two, something might go wrong, etc etc. she knew the risks when she contracted the doctor. now she should accept them.
    I totally agree with that. Her actions are ridiculous. My beef was with the 'If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids' comment.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Kann wrote:
    Damn that's a stupid lawsuit.
    a - you cannot get pregnant the usual way you go try ivf
    b - you chose ivf you get information on ivf
    c - you learn that ivf, like any other medical procedure, is not perfect and you learn about the risks of such a procedure
    d - you get two kids you try to make the best of it.
    The fact that this woman sues shows that she is either ignorant of the medical procedure she chose to have her kid or is a hipocrite. Either way she doesn't really do a good job on being a decent person.

    She is only out for the money, i would chuck the case straight out of court.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I totally agree with that. Her actions are ridiculous. My beef was with the 'If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids' comment.


    Since I don't believe in god. How about: Mother nature has decided that the two of you are not able to have a baby so if you turn to science you accept what you get. Any better for you?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I totally agree with that. Her actions are ridiculous. My beef was with the 'If you aren't able to get pregnant the right way, then maybe god thinks you shouldn't have kids' comment.

    i got the impression it was largely intended as a sarcastic, tongue in cheek shot at them for being ungrateful at the fact that they essentially were blessed beyond anything they could or should have expected.
  • Put one of the twins up for adoption if they feel the "extra" child is too costly. This world is full of idiots.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    i got the impression it was largely intended as a sarcastic, tongue in cheek shot at them for being ungrateful at the fact that they essentially were blessed beyond anything they could or should have expected.
    Thanks for that.
    I owe even flow an apology then because i took his/her comment the wrong way.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    having gone through the whole pregnancy/birth/raising kids thingy more than once, i'd be thrilled if one of those times i had gotten a bonus one.

    can you imagine when these children grow up knowing that one of them wasn't wanted.

    that's right janey, your father and i didn't really want you. we wanted just one child not two. you can't imagine how stressful it was for us to have to go through the trauma of buying a second peg perego. when the doctors told us after so much trouble conceiving that we were expecting twins, i thought i'd simply die. it was all so unfair. :rolleyes:
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    even flow? wrote:
    Since I don't believe in god. How about: Mother nature has decided that the two of you are not able to have a baby so if you turn to science you accept what you get. Any better for you?
    I don't believe in god either. I owe you an apology as i took what you said in your initial post the wrong way. I didn't pick up on the sarcasm.
    Thanks for listening.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    IVF nororiously brings more than one child because the chances of an embryo miscarrying are so high. That's why doctors typically implant more than one. I wonder if the doctor promised her that he would implant only one embyro and then decided to implant two after all, or was just following standard procedure by implanting more than one egg? Anyway, life is just not made to order. I wonder if she managed to get pregnant with twins on her own if she would sue her partner because she only wanted one? And I love the part about how they want "private school fees."

    Mom sues after IVF brings 2 babies instead of 1
    Australian woman seeks $332,000 to cover cost of raising extra child

    Updated: 4:43 p.m. ET Sept 18, 2007
    CANBERRA, Australia - An Australian woman who gave birth to twins instead of a single baby after receiving in-vitro fertilization has sued her doctor for the cost of bringing up the second child.
    The woman, who cannot be identified because of a court order, is seeking more than 400,000 Australian dollars (US $332,000) to cover the expense of raising one child until age 21.
    Testifying in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory on Tuesday, the 40-year-old mother said she told her doctor, Robert Armellin, that she only wanted one child. But an embryologist under the doctor's supervision implanted two embryos in her uterus, resulting in the birth of non-identical twin girls.
    The woman told the court that she and her partner were devastated when they learned she was carrying twins, and had even considered putting one of the babies up for adoption.
    She said that while she enjoyed some aspects of her pregnancy, such as decorating the girls' nursery, other parts were distressing, including purchasing a stroller, or pram.
    "It was like the last frontier of acceptance to spend hundreds of dollars on a pram," she said.
    The couple, whose combined income exceeds A$100,000 (US $82,875), are seeking A$398,000 (US $329,000) to cover the costs of raising one of the girls, including private school fees. They also want around A$15,000 (US $12,427) to compensate them for time off work and medical expenses.

    Oh boo hoo for them. An unexpected baby. Idiots.
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  • Give me a break... If medical procedures in Australia are anything like in the US, I'm sure she signed a dozen forms that notified her of the chance of multiples and everything else under the sun...

    Get over it, you are going to become a parent, which is assumingly what you wanted in the first place... now act like an adult.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    spiral out wrote:
    So IVF is ok if you are not gay?
    Where did we get the idea that this woman is a lesbian? I read the article twice, I don't think it says that.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    hippiemom wrote:
    Where did we get the idea that this woman is a lesbian? I read the article twice, I don't think it says that.


    http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070918/K091804AU.html

    CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - An Australian woman who gave birth to twins instead of a single baby after undergoing in-vitro fertilization has sued her doctor for the cost of bringing up the second child.

    The woman, who cannot be identified because of a court order, is seeking $329,000 to cover the expense of raising one child until age 21.

    Testifying in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory on Tuesday, the 40-year-old mother said she told her doctor that she only wanted one child.

    But an embryologist under the doctor's supervision implanted two embryos in her uterus, resulting in the birth of non-identical twin girls.

    [size==2]The woman told the court that she and her female partner[/size] were devastated when they learned she was carrying twins, and even considered putting one of the babies up for adoption.

    The couple, whose combined income exceeds $82,875, are seeking $329,000 to cover the costs of raising one of the girls, including private school fees. They also want more than $12,000 to compensate them for time off work and medical expenses.

    Edit: so I can't get the size thing to work but you get the idea. :)
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    even flow? wrote:
    http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070918/K091804AU.html

    CANBERRA, Australia (AP) - An Australian woman who gave birth to twins instead of a single baby after undergoing in-vitro fertilization has sued her doctor for the cost of bringing up the second child.

    The woman, who cannot be identified because of a court order, is seeking $329,000 to cover the expense of raising one child until age 21.

    Testifying in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory on Tuesday, the 40-year-old mother said she told her doctor that she only wanted one child.

    But an embryologist under the doctor's supervision implanted two embryos in her uterus, resulting in the birth of non-identical twin girls.

    [size==2]The woman told the court that she and her female partner[/size] were devastated when they learned she was carrying twins, and even considered putting one of the babies up for adoption.

    The couple, whose combined income exceeds $82,875, are seeking $329,000 to cover the costs of raising one of the girls, including private school fees. They also want more than $12,000 to compensate them for time off work and medical expenses.

    Edit: so I can't get the size thing to work but you get the idea. :)
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    you can't imagine how stressful it was for us to have to go through the trauma of buying a second peg perego.
    :D
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