Greenspan on Iraq war, links it to oil

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    it wouldnt suprise me if Bush just decided to invade Iraq because saddam tried to kill his daddy.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Derrick wrote:
    More areas that the US does not care about even though there are/were worse atrocities than Saddam:
    ready....go.
    Derrick wrote:
    Former Yugoslavia (took the UN/US EIGHT years before they lifted a finger)
    so you add something to your list that we actually DID get invovled in? just wasnt fast enough for you, ok got it.
    Derrick wrote:
    South Africa (apartheid is good, yes?)

    http://www.itcilo.it/actrav/actrav-english/telearn/global/ilo/guide/antia.htm

    Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986 - Title I: Policy of the United States with respect to ending apartheid - Requires U.S. policy toward South Africa to be designed to bring about the establishment of a nonracial democracy in South Africa.
    Derrick wrote:
    Northwestern Africa (child slave labor anyone?)
    does the UN exist for any particular purpose or would you like the US to police the world?
    Derrick wrote:
    Cambodia in the late 70s (just f'ing disgusting)
    huh??? you want America to go back there after the decade+ long Vietnam war? i'm starting to think you are bitching to hear yourself bitch. hey look look, america doesnt care about anything but oil!!!
    Derrick wrote:
    North Korea (Kim Jong is just ITCHING to drop a nuke, oh wait...he did)
    axis of evil? sanctions. do you consider the US to do nothing until it actually invades?
    Derrick wrote:
    Tibet (China took over Tibet, Iraq took over Kuwait...same thing?)
    haha so we should invade China? I dont know the whole history on this conflict so I'll leave this one alone.
    Derrick wrote:
    All of those places experienced or are still experiencing worse conditions than Iraq....and yet the government invaded Iraq.
    this is your opinion. not fact
    Derrick wrote:
    Afghanistan was about revenge.
    afgahanistan was about justice.
  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Posts: 193
    beachdweller wrote:
    does anyone realize that only 18% of the oil imported into the U S comes from the middle east? We can't overcome 18%? We can't cut 18% usage? Our entire economy will fold over 18%? then we better not piss of Canada? We import 41% of our oil from them....


    Because it isnt about getting better oil prices for consumers in the USA.
    Its about the geopolitical power and leverage that comes with controlling the output of oil. It may not reach our shores, but that oil is going somewhere. There is so much fuckin money tied up in the oil game that those who control the flow of oil can dictate global policy.
    Thats why we are in Iraq, that is why we are building the world's largest and most expensive embassy, and that is why we are never leaving.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    Because it isnt about getting better oil prices for consumers in the USA.
    Its about the geopolitical power and leverage that comes with controlling the output of oil. It may not reach our shores, but that oil is going somewhere. There is so much fuckin money tied up in the oil game that those who control the flow of oil can dictate global policy.
    Thats why we are in Iraq, that is why we are building the world's largest and most expensive embassy, and that is why we are never leaving.

    O how I wish you would get away from oil. I mean, WTF, the shit is going to run out eventually. can we please move forward with something else!!
  • FredFlintstone
    FredFlintstone Posts: 193
    jlew24asu wrote:
    O how I wish you would get away from oil. I mean, WTF, the shit is going to run out eventually. can we please move forward with something else!!


    I hear you - but it is wishful thinking....as always - follow the money.
    "Sean Hannity knows there is no greater threat to America today than Bill Clinton 15 years ago"- Stephen Colbert
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    I hear you - but it is wishful thinking....as always - follow the money.

    I'd love to. you have any idea how much money there is too be made with an alternative source??? probably about the same as the oil companies do. give or take a few billion.

    for this reason, and this reason alone is why I believe we dont have it yet. because it doesnt exist. if it did, someone would exploit it to make money. and lots of it.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how is this addressing the fact that america went to war in 91 with saddam?

    when talking to you, yes. you get al little too excited and dont think or type clearly..

    would you support military action in Darfur? I didnt think so. you cant have it both ways. praise the US for not going to war or scold them for not doing so. how about your friends the UN ?

    again, thats one reason of many. when are you going to realize we need oil ?

    relax
    You are exceedingly thick today.

    We went to war with Iraq in '91 BECAUSE HE WAS THREATENING ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES US WITH OIL!

    How in hell does that not make any damn sense to you?
    That is IT. That is THE fucking reason we went to war with Iraq.
    That, and we thought it might be a good time to "take him out" so as to put in a "puppet" government that would be even more agreeable to oil trade relations. There is NO other reason for that war. If you can't see that i can't help you.

    And i 100% support military action in Darfur. That is what America CLAIMS it uses its military for. We went to Iraq in 2003 to "LIBERATE" the people, right? You said it. It isn't about oil, right? It is about fucking freedom? How about the poor fucking people of Darfur?

    Yes. If we are going to wantonly send our troops around the world to engage in the affairs of sovering nations, we should do it on truly altruistic grounds that give our country a positive public image in the world ... not "greed fucking americans protecting oil and lying to everyone about it" ...

    WAKE UP!
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    why the personal attacks? we both claim to sometimes respect each others opinion correct? how about we call a truce and try to have a debate with the thick headed comments. k?

    and I'm not being thick, you are ;) I have repeated said oil is a reason for both Gulf Wars. I happen to believe its not the only reason. understand now?
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that and invading a sovereign country and raping and killing its citizens and calling it its own. o yea, that.


    Well Iraq felt like Kuwait had betrayed them for their own issues (which shouldn't have involved us) and they asked if the Bush admin/US would intervene. April Glaspie, the US Ambassador relayed the message from Washington to Baghdad that the US wouldn't intervene. Of course as soon as the world was in an uproar, the US acted like the savior and proved to be the bullshit artist.

    Also, most of those Kuwaiti 'atrocities' and 'incubator baby' stories were fabricated propaganda from the Bush admin. Proven.

    The Bush admin did NOT get involved in pushing Iraq back UNTIL they got signed agreements from BOTH Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to allow the US have a military presence and favorable trade for the next half century. (thus spawning untold numbers of freedom fighters and anti-American crusaders. See: O. Bin-Laden) Thanks Bushy Sr. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Oh wait, sorry, we had no idea it was going to happen, but we came in and saved the day like the benevolent super heroes we are. :rolleyes: Right.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You are exceedingly thick today.

    We went to war with Iraq in '91 BECAUSE HE WAS THREATENING ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES US WITH OIL!


    We used his aggression to our benefit, so that we could have access to the oil and land. Pretty ingenius reverse aggression. Then again, it doesn't take much for a super power to get what they want.
    24 years old, mid-life crisis
    nowadays hits you when you're young
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Well Iraq felt like Kuwait had betrayed them for their own issues (which shouldn't have involved us) and they asked if the Bush admin/US would intervene. April Glaspie, the US Ambassador relayed the message from Washington to Baghdad that the US wouldn't intervene. Of course as soon as the world was in an uproar, the US acted like the savior and proved to be the bullshit artist.
    so we acted when the world was in an uproar about it. thats bad? had the world sat back and not cared, maybe we wouldnt have gone in. kinda like Darfur, world doesnt seem to care, i.e the United Nations.. I would support military action there, would you?
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Also, most of those Kuwaiti 'atrocities' and 'incubator baby' stories were fabricated propaganda from the Bush admin. Proven.
    proven by whom?
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    The Bush admin did NOT get involved in pushing Iraq back UNTIL they got signed agreements from BOTH Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to allow the US have a military presence and favorable trade for the next half century.
    thats good, why wouldnt we want to get some benefit of our own for putting our soliders at risk?
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    (thus spawning untold numbers of freedom fighters and anti-American crusaders. See: O. Bin-Laden) Thanks Bushy Sr. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    of course this is a bad thing but part of the consequence of the world having enemies. I'm not saying I like it or support it, but it is what it is.
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Oh wait, sorry, we had no idea it was going to happen, but we came in and saved the day like the benevolent super heroes we are. :rolleyes: Right.
    we did have an idea that was going to happen and saved Kuwait from invasion and getting some benefit to ourselves in the process.

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