Greenspan on Iraq war, links it to oil
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He's starting to back-pedal a bit now on the talk show circut, probably from lots of political pressure, but the man isn't stupid. He knew what the Iraq war was all about right from the start. It amazes me that so many people still believe it was for some noble "we need to defend ourselves from terrorists" cause.
In his new book “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World,” Greenspan wrote: “I’m saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil.”
But Greenspan’s main support for Saddam’s ouster was economically motivated, the Post reported.
“My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day” passing through,” Greenspan said.
Even a small disruption could drive oil prices as high as $120 a barrel and would mean “chaos” to the global economy, Greenspan told the newspaper.
Given that, “I’m saying taking Saddam out was essential,” he said. But he added he was not implying the war was an oil grab, the Post said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20817260/from/RS.1/
In his new book “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World,” Greenspan wrote: “I’m saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil.”
But Greenspan’s main support for Saddam’s ouster was economically motivated, the Post reported.
“My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day” passing through,” Greenspan said.
Even a small disruption could drive oil prices as high as $120 a barrel and would mean “chaos” to the global economy, Greenspan told the newspaper.
Given that, “I’m saying taking Saddam out was essential,” he said. But he added he was not implying the war was an oil grab, the Post said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20817260/from/RS.1/
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and I dont know why this whole thing about oil is a big deal. of course the Iraq war had to do with oil. the was one reason of many. even in 91 is was a reason but like then and now, its not the only reason.
Pretty much. He correctly bashed the Bush administration for their loose spending habits and their high budget deficit.
i'm gonna call bullshit on this, man.
in '91 like now it is TOTALLY about oil.
The only "other" reason in '91 was that Saddam was fuckin' with the Saudi's who, guess what?, give us oil too!
oh,
i do agree that greenspan's book is probably a real thriller though.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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thats a good point. and piss off canada? haha we wont ask, we'll just go take what we need from the sissys up there
It's a big deal, b/c there are a lot of people out there who vote and still dont know the truth.
Kind of like what we're doing in Iraq?
I think Iraq had more of a claim to Kuwait than America has to Iraq.
I'm guessing you weren't here in 2003 when me and all the other 'Unpatriotic, America Hating, Saddam Loving Liberals' here that were not For the War, therefore, we HAD to be against America... were making arguements about it being a War to secure oil reserves. The opposition sited noble motives such as defending our people from Nuclear Attack, capturing stockpiles of Chemical and Biological weapons, avenging the lives lost on September 11, 2001, ridding the world of Al Qaeda and other Terrorists and saving the poor Iraqi (Shi'ites) from Hussein's Regime.
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What ever happened to all those people? Oh yeah... they conveniently FORGOT that they supported this fucking mess.
Hail, Hail!!!
There is medicine available those delusions of grandeur you posses.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Seriously, come and get us. Punch Steven Harper in the vagina, then take over Ottawa. In the meantime, I will use my newfound citizenship to move somewhere warm, make a lot of money with my superior Canadian education, and have a vote that actually means something globally.
Where may I lay out the red carpet?
I addressed that speicificaly by saying THE SAUDI's PROVIDE US WITH OIL AS WELL!
Is it really that hard to see?
Does it need to be S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for you?
LOOK AT DARFUR?
Does america GIVE A FLYING MONKEY FUCK ?
NO!!!!!!!
It could give two cold shits.
WHY?
NO FUCKING OIL!
S.Arabia has oil, their port or whatever the hell the little tiny piece of land that Hussein was actually after when he invaded is THE controlling piece of water and port for getting oil out of the region. THAT is why we attacked. Because otherwise Saddam would have been in control of what goes out.
WAKE UP!
Edit: Here, this is from wikipedia ...
. Iraqi president Saddam Hussein declared that the invasion was a response to overproduction of oil in Kuwait, which had cost Iraq an estimated $14 billion a year when oil prices fell. Hussein also accused Kuwait of illegally pumping oil from Iraq's Rumaila oil field.
The UN Security Council called for Iraq to withdraw and subsequently embargoed most trade with Iraq. On Aug. 7, U.S. troops moved into Saudi Arabia to protect Saudioil fields.
I don't see SHIT in that passage about the US moving in troops to protect civilians from murder. We put our troops right where we wanted them, right where they were needed, NEXT TO THE FUCKING OIL!
OH!
And when you talk about murdering civilians and that being a reason for war,
you mean like the INCUBATOR BABY MURDERING IRAQIS? ... it was a TOTAL FABRICATION. A LIE. It has been proven to be so. The girl that testified she saw the babies removed from their incubators and left to die ... DAUGHTER OF THE IRAQI AMBASSADOR!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
when talking to you, yes. you get al little too excited and dont think or type clearly..
would you support military action in Darfur? I didnt think so. you cant have it both ways. praise the US for not going to war or scold them for not doing so. how about your friends the UN ?
again, thats one reason of many. when are you going to realize we need oil ?
relax
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Don't forget the Hondas.
Piss us off and who is going to fight your wars that you start and then leave to the "UN aka Canada"?
Former Yugoslavia (took the UN/US EIGHT years before they lifted a finger)
South Africa (apartheid is good, yes?)
Northwestern Africa (child slave labor anyone?)
Cambodia in the late 70s (just f'ing disgusting)
North Korea (Kim Jong is just ITCHING to drop a nuke, oh wait...he did)
Tibet (China took over Tibet, Iraq took over Kuwait...same thing?)
All of those places experienced or are still experiencing worse conditions than Iraq....and yet the government invaded Iraq. Plus some of those countries pose a larger nuclear threat than Iraq did....lol WMDs.)
Afghanistan was about revenge. (although if you look at certain oil pipelines to India built since 2002, you might disagree)
Iraq is about a bully from Texas using American resources to attain oil. Period.
so you add something to your list that we actually DID get invovled in? just wasnt fast enough for you, ok got it.
http://www.itcilo.it/actrav/actrav-english/telearn/global/ilo/guide/antia.htm
Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986 - Title I: Policy of the United States with respect to ending apartheid - Requires U.S. policy toward South Africa to be designed to bring about the establishment of a nonracial democracy in South Africa.
does the UN exist for any particular purpose or would you like the US to police the world?
huh??? you want America to go back there after the decade+ long Vietnam war? i'm starting to think you are bitching to hear yourself bitch. hey look look, america doesnt care about anything but oil!!!
axis of evil? sanctions. do you consider the US to do nothing until it actually invades?
haha so we should invade China? I dont know the whole history on this conflict so I'll leave this one alone.
this is your opinion. not fact
afgahanistan was about justice.
Because it isnt about getting better oil prices for consumers in the USA.
Its about the geopolitical power and leverage that comes with controlling the output of oil. It may not reach our shores, but that oil is going somewhere. There is so much fuckin money tied up in the oil game that those who control the flow of oil can dictate global policy.
Thats why we are in Iraq, that is why we are building the world's largest and most expensive embassy, and that is why we are never leaving.
O how I wish you would get away from oil. I mean, WTF, the shit is going to run out eventually. can we please move forward with something else!!
I hear you - but it is wishful thinking....as always - follow the money.
I'd love to. you have any idea how much money there is too be made with an alternative source??? probably about the same as the oil companies do. give or take a few billion.
for this reason, and this reason alone is why I believe we dont have it yet. because it doesnt exist. if it did, someone would exploit it to make money. and lots of it.
We went to war with Iraq in '91 BECAUSE HE WAS THREATENING ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES US WITH OIL!
How in hell does that not make any damn sense to you?
That is IT. That is THE fucking reason we went to war with Iraq.
That, and we thought it might be a good time to "take him out" so as to put in a "puppet" government that would be even more agreeable to oil trade relations. There is NO other reason for that war. If you can't see that i can't help you.
And i 100% support military action in Darfur. That is what America CLAIMS it uses its military for. We went to Iraq in 2003 to "LIBERATE" the people, right? You said it. It isn't about oil, right? It is about fucking freedom? How about the poor fucking people of Darfur?
Yes. If we are going to wantonly send our troops around the world to engage in the affairs of sovering nations, we should do it on truly altruistic grounds that give our country a positive public image in the world ... not "greed fucking americans protecting oil and lying to everyone about it" ...
WAKE UP!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and I'm not being thick, you are
Well Iraq felt like Kuwait had betrayed them for their own issues (which shouldn't have involved us) and they asked if the Bush admin/US would intervene. April Glaspie, the US Ambassador relayed the message from Washington to Baghdad that the US wouldn't intervene. Of course as soon as the world was in an uproar, the US acted like the savior and proved to be the bullshit artist.
Also, most of those Kuwaiti 'atrocities' and 'incubator baby' stories were fabricated propaganda from the Bush admin. Proven.
The Bush admin did NOT get involved in pushing Iraq back UNTIL they got signed agreements from BOTH Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to allow the US have a military presence and favorable trade for the next half century. (thus spawning untold numbers of freedom fighters and anti-American crusaders. See: O. Bin-Laden) Thanks Bushy Sr. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Oh wait, sorry, we had no idea it was going to happen, but we came in and saved the day like the benevolent super heroes we are. :rolleyes: Right.
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We used his aggression to our benefit, so that we could have access to the oil and land. Pretty ingenius reverse aggression. Then again, it doesn't take much for a super power to get what they want.
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