Greenspan on Iraq war, links it to oil

SuzannePjam

He's starting to back-pedal a bit now on the talk show circut, probably from lots of political pressure, but the man isn't stupid. He knew what the Iraq war was all about right from the start. It amazes me that so many people still believe it was for some noble "we need to defend ourselves from terrorists" cause.

In his new book “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World,” Greenspan wrote: “I’m saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil.”

But Greenspan’s main support for Saddam’s ouster was economically motivated, the Post reported.
“My view is that Saddam, looking over his 30-year history, very clearly was giving evidence of moving towards controlling the Straits of Hormuz, where there are 17, 18, 19 million barrels a day” passing through,” Greenspan said.
Even a small disruption could drive oil prices as high as $120 a barrel and would mean “chaos” to the global economy, Greenspan told the newspaper.
Given that, “I’m saying taking Saddam out was essential,” he said. But he added he was not implying the war was an oil grab, the Post said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20817260/from/RS.1/

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Didn't he just recently bash the entire GOP for being a miserable failure also?

jlew24asu

I'm very excited to read this book. during my entire career people always listened very carefully to what he had to say. and he always had to choose his words very very very carefully. I was always amazed how his words would effect the stock market on days he spoke. now he gets to speak candidly. its a must read IMO.

and I dont know why this whole thing about oil is a big deal. of course the Iraq war had to do with oil. the was one reason of many. even in 91 is was a reason but like then and now, its not the only reason.

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Didn't he just recently bash the entire GOP for being a miserable failure also?

Pretty much. He correctly bashed the Bush administration for their loose spending habits and their high budget deficit.

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

and I dont know why this whole thing about oil is a big deal. of course the Iraq war had to do with oil. the was one reason of many. even in 91 is was a reason but like then and now, its not the only reason.

i'm gonna call bullshit on this, man.
in '91 like now it is TOTALLY about oil.

The only "other" reason in '91 was that Saddam was fuckin' with the Saudi's who, guess what?, give us oil too!

oh,
i do agree that greenspan's book is probably a real thriller though.

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i'm gonna call bullshit on this, man.
in '91 like now it is TOTALLY about oil.

The only "other" reason in '91 was that Saddam was fuckin' with the Saudi's who, guess what?, give us oil too!

that and invading a sovereign country and raping and killing its citizens and calling it its own. o yea, that.

PJ_Lukin

book seller bullshit

beachdweller

does anyone realize that only 18% of the oil imported into the U S comes from the middle east? We can't overcome 18%? We can't cut 18% usage? Our entire economy will fold over 18%? then we better not piss of Canada? We import 41% of our oil from them....

jlew24asu

beachdweller wrote:

does anyone realize that only 18% of the oil imported into the U S comes from the middle east? We can't overcome 18%? We can't cut 18% usage? Our entire economy will fold over 18%? then we better not piss of Canada? We import 41% of our oil from them....

thats a good point. and piss off canada? haha we wont ask, we'll just go take what we need from the sissys up there

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

and I dont know why this whole thing about oil is a big deal. of course the Iraq war had to do with oil. the was one reason of many. even in 91 is was a reason but like then and now, its not the only reason.

It's a big deal, b/c there are a lot of people out there who vote and still dont know the truth.

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

that and invading a sovereign country and raping and killing its citizens and calling it its own. o yea, that.

Kind of like what we're doing in Iraq?

callen

Open wrote:

It's a big deal, b/c there are a lot of people out there who vote and still dont know the truth.

they know the truth....but their comfort is more important.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

that and invading a sovereign country and raping and killing its citizens and calling it its own. o yea, that.

I think Iraq had more of a claim to Kuwait than America has to Iraq.

Cosmo

jlew24asu wrote:

...and I dont know why this whole thing about oil is a big deal. of course the Iraq war had to do with oil. the was one reason of many. even in 91 is was a reason but like then and now, its not the only reason.

...
I'm guessing you weren't here in 2003 when me and all the other 'Unpatriotic, America Hating, Saddam Loving Liberals' here that were not For the War, therefore, we HAD to be against America... were making arguements about it being a War to secure oil reserves. The opposition sited noble motives such as defending our people from Nuclear Attack, capturing stockpiles of Chemical and Biological weapons, avenging the lives lost on September 11, 2001, ridding the world of Al Qaeda and other Terrorists and saving the poor Iraqi (Shi'ites) from Hussein's Regime.
...
What ever happened to all those people? Oh yeah... they conveniently FORGOT that they supported this fucking mess.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

thats a good point. and piss off canada? haha we wont ask, we'll just go take what we need from the sissys up there

There is medicine available those delusions of grandeur you posses.

Derrick

Canada is basically the middle east now anyways. Take a drive through Brampton or Scarborough, or any community around Vancouver.

Seriously, come and get us. Punch Steven Harper in the vagina, then take over Ottawa. In the meantime, I will use my newfound citizenship to move somewhere warm, make a lot of money with my superior Canadian education, and have a vote that actually means something globally.

Where may I lay out the red carpet?

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

that and invading a sovereign country and raping and killing its citizens and calling it its own. o yea, that.

I addressed that speicificaly by saying THE SAUDI's PROVIDE US WITH OIL AS WELL!

Is it really that hard to see?
Does it need to be S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for you?

LOOK AT DARFUR?

Does america GIVE A FLYING MONKEY FUCK ?
NO!!!!!!!
It could give two cold shits.
WHY?

NO FUCKING OIL!

S.Arabia has oil, their port or whatever the hell the little tiny piece of land that Hussein was actually after when he invaded is THE controlling piece of water and port for getting oil out of the region. THAT is why we attacked. Because otherwise Saddam would have been in control of what goes out.

WAKE UP!


Edit: Here, this is from wikipedia ...

. Iraqi president Saddam Hussein declared that the invasion was a response to overproduction of oil in Kuwait, which had cost Iraq an estimated $14 billion a year when oil prices fell. Hussein also accused Kuwait of illegally pumping oil from Iraq's Rumaila oil field.

The UN Security Council called for Iraq to withdraw and subsequently embargoed most trade with Iraq. On Aug. 7, U.S. troops moved into Saudi Arabia to protect Saudioil fields.

---

I don't see SHIT in that passage about the US moving in troops to protect civilians from murder. We put our troops right where we wanted them, right where they were needed, NEXT TO THE FUCKING OIL!


OH!
And when you talk about murdering civilians and that being a reason for war,
you mean like the INCUBATOR BABY MURDERING IRAQIS? ... it was a TOTAL FABRICATION. A LIE. It has been proven to be so. The girl that testified she saw the babies removed from their incubators and left to die ... DAUGHTER OF THE IRAQI AMBASSADOR!

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I addressed that speicificaly by saying THE SAUDI's PROVIDE US WITH OIL AS WELL!

how is this addressing the fact that america went to war in 91 with saddam?

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Is it really that hard to see?
Does it need to be S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for you?

when talking to you, yes. you get al little too excited and dont think or type clearly..

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

LOOK AT DARFUR?

Does america GIVE A FLYING MONKEY FUCK ?
NO!!!!!!!
It could give two cold shits.
WHY?

NO FUCKING OIL!

would you support military action in Darfur? I didnt think so. you cant have it both ways. praise the US for not going to war or scold them for not doing so. how about your friends the UN ?

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

S.Arabia has oil, their port or whatever the hell the little tiny piece of land that Hussein was actually after when he invaded is THE controlling piece of water and port for getting oil out of the region. THAT is why we attacked. Because otherwise Saddam would have been in control of what goes out.

again, thats one reason of many. when are you going to realize we need oil ?

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

WAKE UP!

relax

even flow?

Derrick wrote:

Canada is basically the middle east now anyways. Take a drive through Brampton or Scarborough, or any community around Vancouver.

:eek:

Don't forget the Hondas.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

thats a good point. and piss off canada? haha we wont ask, we'll just go take what we need from the sissys up there

Piss us off and who is going to fight your wars that you start and then leave to the "UN aka Canada"?

Derrick

More areas that the US does not care about even though there are/were worse atrocities than Saddam:

Former Yugoslavia (took the UN/US EIGHT years before they lifted a finger)
South Africa (apartheid is good, yes?)
Northwestern Africa (child slave labor anyone?)
Cambodia in the late 70s (just f'ing disgusting)
North Korea (Kim Jong is just ITCHING to drop a nuke, oh wait...he did)
Tibet (China took over Tibet, Iraq took over Kuwait...same thing?)

All of those places experienced or are still experiencing worse conditions than Iraq....and yet the government invaded Iraq. Plus some of those countries pose a larger nuclear threat than Iraq did....lol WMDs.)

Afghanistan was about revenge. (although if you look at certain oil pipelines to India built since 2002, you might disagree)
Iraq is about a bully from Texas using American resources to attain oil. Period.