Man kicked off flight for anti-Bush T-shirt

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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    small town beck wrote:
    I still find it absurd that you would be escorted off the plane for that, what if it were a pro-Bush shirt? Praising all of the death and destruction in Iraq? I guess it all depends on your perspective. It is interesting for certain to see how people react differently to such things. Very few things today wouldn't offend someone. Some people are just looking for something to offend them :rolleyes:

    I think he wasn't allowed on the plane because bringing up political issues like that creates a hostile environment. A Moving Train is proof of that. I wouldn't let anyone on my plane who was wearing anything that called anyone a terrorist. When a plane is 30,000 feet in the air, the last thing you want is hostility to be stirred up among the passengers. It's not safe. So I don't think it's absurd.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    This story is stupid, from both points of view.
    Taking the plane is becoming a challenge to remember the improbable number of rules you have to follow in order to get to the right destination. And I thought flying would become easier as time went by.
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I was somewhat confused about his comment. being pro bush is one thing. but wearing a tee-shirt that praises death and destruction is another. I wouldnt want someone wearing that tee shirt either as I got on a plane.

    yeah, i don't care if someone is wearing that on the street, that's their choice, but when it's on an airplane and the airline has a policy against it, just change the damn shirt. i know we agree about this but there are certain battles to choose but that seriously isn't one to choose.
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  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    You can add one more name to the "Do Not Fly" list.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    didn't you say just yesterday that a person would not get kicked off a plane for a shirt just like this?
    the airline took him off the plane, not government officials. big difference.
  • wavescamecrashing
    wavescamecrashing Posts: 440
    "I was somewhat confused about his comment. being pro bush is one thing. but wearing a tee-shirt that praises death and destruction is another."

    Are you sure about that?

    The guy is a dillweed for not covering up the shirt in light of the heavy handed airline approach but it does seem a little silly on part of the airline, cuz he wore the same shirt on another of their flights-he prob tht it wldnt be a problem after that experience.

    also, about it causing hostility etc...its a fuckin t shirt, get over it. A bomb strapped to his waist...yes. a t shirt? fuck no. The 7/7 suspects over here all had beards -so now a beard might cause hostility, so they should shave it off, despite it being integral to their cultures and beliefs-thats not right. and neither is it to expect this guy to remove his t shirt, its his belief. what sort of world would it be if this attitude was allowed to take precedence?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    clairenordon wrote:
    "I was somewhat confused about his comment. being pro bush is one thing. but wearing a tee-shirt that praises death and destruction is another."

    Are you sure about that?

    The guy is a dillweed for not covering up the shirt in light of the heavy handed airline approach but it does seem a little silly on part of the airline, cuz he wore the same shirt on another of their flights-he prob tht it wldnt be a problem after that experience.

    also, about it causing hostility etc...its a fuckin t shirt, get over it. A bomb strapped to his waist...yes. a t shirt? fuck no. The 7/7 suspects over here all had beards -so now a beard might cause hostility, so they should shave it off, despite it being integral to their cultures and beliefs-thats not right. and neither is it to expect this guy to remove his t shirt, its his belief. what sort of world would it be if this attitude was allowed to take precedence?
    Shouldn't the guy be looking at the terms and conditions of the ticket he purchased before mouthing off about freedom of speach. He was not forced to buy the ticket so he should have looked at the terms and conditions of what he was purchasing.

    Really the only thing the guy has shown is his freedom of stupidity.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    mmmmm...."freedom"

    ha ha, with "freedom" comes responsibility....It seems the fella was fighting for "freedom", the "freedom" to wear a shirt...yup, that's right a shirt....

    also, I find it amusing that some will give private enterprise a free pass when it comes to legislating right and wrong, yet when the government does it, many of those very same people are upset....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    mmmmm...."freedom"

    ha ha, with "freedom" comes responsibility....It seems the fella was fighting for "freedom", the "freedom" to wear a shirt...yup, that's right a shirt....
    what if that shirt said "I support Osama Bin Laden" "9/11 was a gift from God" would you feel comfortable flying with him? after all its just a tee shirt right
    inmytree wrote:
    also, I find it amusing that some will give private enterprise a free pass when it comes to legislating right and wrong,
    legislating? a private business can do whatever it wants. it doesnt owe you anything.
    inmytree wrote:
    yet when the government does it, many of those very same people are upset....
    governments are, in most cases, elected by the people. those people have every right to bitch at them when they feel something is not right.
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    know1 wrote:
    How sad that people do not realize that free speech doesn't exist in private industry. An airline can remove you for whatever reason it wants to.

    agreed.....
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what if that shirt I support Osama Bin Laden would you feel comfortable flying with him?

    legislating? a private business can do whatever it wants. it doesnt owe you anything.

    governments are, in most cases, elected by the people. those people have every right to bitch at them when they feel something is not right.

    yup, another example of giving business a free pass...and as far as somebody wearing a t-shirt with osama, I wouldn't give a shit...it's a T-shirt...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    yup, another example of giving business a free pass
    why do you feel a business owes you something?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    inmytree wrote:
    also, I find it amusing that some will give private enterprise a free pass when it comes to legislating right and wrong, yet when the government does it, many of those very same people are upset....
    The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why do you feel a business owes you something?

    where did I say they "owed" me something...?
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    surferdude wrote:
    The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.

    look, rational thought...you nailed it!
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    surferdude wrote:
    The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.

    this fella didn't shit in anyone's soup...nor did he yell from the top of his lungs...I'm pretty sure he simply wore a t-shirt....I understand your need to make a point, but don't make things up....

    I wonder, on the back of his ticket, did it say anything about a dress code...?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    where did I say they "owed" me something...?
    because I'm so eager to give them a free pass. why do they deserve any less? they havent done anything wrong.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    I think last year someone posted an article about a man who had a t shirt with some arabic writting on it, he was also not allowed to fly because "it's upsetting for the passengers"
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/63716
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    because I'm so eager to give them a free pass. why do they deserve any less? they havent done anything wrong.

    as you see it....not to shock you, others may see things differently...

    I know it's a scary notion...all I'm saying is this guy was fighting for "freedom"...I would think you would support that...

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