also, I find it amusing that some will give private enterprise a free pass when it comes to legislating right and wrong, yet when the government does it, many of those very same people are upset....
The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.
The company is not legislating right and wrong in any way. They have a code of conduct for those who choose to use their service. Much like a department store would not let you shit in the aisles, or swear at people at the top of your lungs. It's not legislating morality, merely implementing a code of conduct. If you don't like their code of conduct don't purchase their product or service. it's still a free country. You still have this freedom.
this fella didn't shit in anyone's soup...nor did he yell from the top of his lungs...I'm pretty sure he simply wore a t-shirt....I understand your need to make a point, but don't make things up....
I wonder, on the back of his ticket, did it say anything about a dress code...?
I think last year someone posted an article about a man who had a t shirt with some arabic writting on it, he was also not allowed to fly because "it's upsetting for the passengers"
anyhoo, please tell me, how was the wearing if that shirt irresponsible...?
It showed irresponsibility on his part by not knowing what the terms and conditions of the ticket he purchased were. It showed a lack of responsibility and maturity in how he reacted when the terms and conditions he agreed to when purchasing his ticket were enforced.
The airline has a dress code, just like many places in the world have a dress code. It may be a stupid dress code but they are free to have a stupid dress code. The passenger in question has proven himself to be a touch stupider by thinking that the company's inforcement of their dress code is a matter of his freedom of speach.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Let's sneak into their hangars and spray paint "Bush: #1 Terrorist" on the sides of all their planes!
What airline was it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It showed irresponsibility on his part by not knowing what the terms and conditions of the ticket he purchased were. It showed a lack of responsibility and maturity in how he reacted when the terms and conditions he agreed to when purchasing his ticket were enforced.
The airline has a dress code, just like many places in the world have a dress code. It may be a stupid dress code but they are free to have a stupid dress code. The passenger in question has proven himself to be a touch stupider by thinking that the company's inforcement of their dress code is a matter of his freedom of speach.
you mean these "terms and conditions"...?
10.1 Refusal of Carriage
Even if you have a ticket and a confirmed reservation, we may refuse to carry you and your baggage if any of the following circumstances have occurred or we reasonably believe will occur:
* if carrying you or your baggage may put the safety of the aircraft or the safety or health or any person in the aircraft in danger or at risk
* if carrying you or your baggage may materially affect the comfort of any person in the aircraft
* if carrying you will break government laws, regulations, orders or an immigration direction from a country to which you are travelling or are to depart from
* because you have refused to allow a security check to be carried out on you or your baggage
* because you do not appear to have all necessary documents (see 8.1)
* if you fail to comply with any applicable law, rule, regulation or order or these Conditions of Carriage
* if you fail to complete the check-in process by the check-in deadline or fail to arrive at the boarding gate on time
* because you have not obeyed the instructions of our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft relating to safety or security
* because you have not complied with our medical requirements (see 3.5)
* because you require special assistance and you have not made prior arrangements with us for this (see 4.8)
* if you are drunk or under the influence of alcohol or drugs
* if you are, or we reasonably believe you are, in unlawful possession of drugs
* if your mental or physical state is a danger or risk to you, the aircraft or any person in it
* if you have used threatening, abusive or insulting words towards our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft or otherwise behaved in a threatening manner
* if you have committed a criminal offence during the check-in or boarding processes or on board the aircraft
* if you have deliberately interfered with a member of our ground staff or the crew of the aircraft carrying out their duties
* if you have put the safety of either the aircraft or any person in it in danger
* if you have made a threat
* because you have committed misconduct on a previous flight and we have reason to believe that such conduct may be repeated
* because you cannot prove you are the person specified on the ticket on which you wish to travel
* because you are trying to use a flight coupon out of sequence without our agreement (see 6.11)
* if you destroy your travel documents during the flight
* if you have refused to allow us to photocopy your travel documents
* if you have refused to give your travel documents to a member of our ground staff or the crew of the aircraft when we have asked you to do so
* if you ask the relevant government authorities for permission to enter a country in which you have landed as a transit passenger
* because your ticket:
- is not paid for
- has been reported lost or stolen
- has been transferred
- has been acquired unlawfully
- has been acquired from someone other than us or an Authorised Agent
- contains an alteration which has not been made by us or an Authorised Agent
- is spoiled, torn or damaged or has otherwise been tampered with, or
- is counterfeit or otherwise invalid
10.1 Refusal of Carriage
Even if you have a ticket and a confirmed reservation, we may refuse to carry you and your baggage if any of the following circumstances have occurred or we reasonably believe will occur:
* if carrying you or your baggage may put the safety of the aircraft or the safety or health or any person in the aircraft in danger or at risk
* if carrying you or your baggage may materially affect the comfort of any person in the aircraft
* if you have deliberately interfered with a member of our ground staff or the crew of the aircraft carrying out their duties
* if you have put the safety of either the aircraft or any person in it in danger
* if you have made a threat
edit: I don't see anything about a dress code or t-shirt choice....
it was a judgement call by the people on the aircraft (whether or not it was an excessive reaction is debateable). If you don't listen to what the crew says you are interfering with their ability to carry out their duty. We don't know what was said before the refusal to fly was administered.
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Shit, imagine being kicked of the plane during the flight.
Yea, shit, that's a little harsh. I'd hope they'd at least give me a chute and let me off over a friendly neighbourhood
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I suppose it depends on you choice of dress and if you listen to author-i-tie...
I'd spraypaint "Bush Sucks" on the CEO's car.
If I knew what airline it was, I'd choose never to fly with them. Or I would wear a "<Airline> Sucks" T-Shirt. That's what I think of their authority.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you people dont get it. the airline has every right not to let him fly on the plane. if you dont like it, pick another airline
I don't see the airline's name published. What airline was it? If I own any shares, I'm selling.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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yup, another example of giving business a free pass...and as far as somebody wearing a t-shirt with osama, I wouldn't give a shit...it's a T-shirt...
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
where did I say they "owed" me something...?
look, rational thought...you nailed it!
from my window to yours
this fella didn't shit in anyone's soup...nor did he yell from the top of his lungs...I'm pretty sure he simply wore a t-shirt....I understand your need to make a point, but don't make things up....
I wonder, on the back of his ticket, did it say anything about a dress code...?
as you see it....not to shock you, others may see things differently...
I know it's a scary notion...all I'm saying is this guy was fighting for "freedom"...I would think you would support that...
I guess Jetblue will get a free pass, too...
it's fun to string together subjective terms and treat them as if they are black and white....
anyhoo, please tell me, how was the wearing if that shirt irresponsible...?
If I owed an airline, I would let him fly as long he was checked for weapons, bombs, etc. but I dont.
liberal....;)
The airline has a dress code, just like many places in the world have a dress code. It may be a stupid dress code but they are free to have a stupid dress code. The passenger in question has proven himself to be a touch stupider by thinking that the company's inforcement of their dress code is a matter of his freedom of speach.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
What airline was it?
Bush is NOT GOD!
he is like everyone else, and everyone has the right to have their own opinions free!
you mean these "terms and conditions"...?
10.1 Refusal of Carriage
Even if you have a ticket and a confirmed reservation, we may refuse to carry you and your baggage if any of the following circumstances have occurred or we reasonably believe will occur:
* if carrying you or your baggage may put the safety of the aircraft or the safety or health or any person in the aircraft in danger or at risk
* if carrying you or your baggage may materially affect the comfort of any person in the aircraft
* if carrying you will break government laws, regulations, orders or an immigration direction from a country to which you are travelling or are to depart from
* because you have refused to allow a security check to be carried out on you or your baggage
* because you do not appear to have all necessary documents (see 8.1)
* if you fail to comply with any applicable law, rule, regulation or order or these Conditions of Carriage
* if you fail to complete the check-in process by the check-in deadline or fail to arrive at the boarding gate on time
* because you have not obeyed the instructions of our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft relating to safety or security
* because you have not complied with our medical requirements (see 3.5)
* because you require special assistance and you have not made prior arrangements with us for this (see 4.8)
* if you are drunk or under the influence of alcohol or drugs
* if you are, or we reasonably believe you are, in unlawful possession of drugs
* if your mental or physical state is a danger or risk to you, the aircraft or any person in it
* if you have used threatening, abusive or insulting words towards our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft or otherwise behaved in a threatening manner
* if you have committed a criminal offence during the check-in or boarding processes or on board the aircraft
* if you have deliberately interfered with a member of our ground staff or the crew of the aircraft carrying out their duties
* if you have put the safety of either the aircraft or any person in it in danger
* if you have made a threat
* because you have committed misconduct on a previous flight and we have reason to believe that such conduct may be repeated
* because you cannot prove you are the person specified on the ticket on which you wish to travel
* because you are trying to use a flight coupon out of sequence without our agreement (see 6.11)
* if you destroy your travel documents during the flight
* if you have refused to allow us to photocopy your travel documents
* if you have refused to give your travel documents to a member of our ground staff or the crew of the aircraft when we have asked you to do so
* if you ask the relevant government authorities for permission to enter a country in which you have landed as a transit passenger
* because your ticket:
- is not paid for
- has been reported lost or stolen
- has been transferred
- has been acquired unlawfully
- has been acquired from someone other than us or an Authorised Agent
- contains an alteration which has not been made by us or an Authorised Agent
- is spoiled, torn or damaged or has otherwise been tampered with, or
- is counterfeit or otherwise invalid
from here: http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/beforeYouTravel/conditionsCarriageLong
edit: I don't see anything about a dress code or t-shirt choice....
Shit, imagine being kicked of the plane during the flight.
Anyway, nothing about a T-shirt or dress code.
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it was a judgement call by the people on the aircraft (whether or not it was an excessive reaction is debateable). If you don't listen to what the crew says you are interfering with their ability to carry out their duty. We don't know what was said before the refusal to fly was administered.
But it sounded so good.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yea, shit, that's a little harsh. I'd hope they'd at least give me a chute and let me off over a friendly neighbourhood
I suppose it depends on you choice of dress and if you listen to author-i-tie...
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
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I'd spraypaint "Bush Sucks" on the CEO's car.
If I knew what airline it was, I'd choose never to fly with them. Or I would wear a "<Airline> Sucks" T-Shirt. That's what I think of their authority.
I don't see the airline's name published. What airline was it? If I own any shares, I'm selling.
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