and it gets better. i believe men (and women) should have better, safer, more convenient forms of birth control to have unrestricted access to! this is on top of unrestricted access to abortion too! holy shit!
sad that it's a fantasyland, isn't it?
don't hold your breath, lady. when you get to your crazy fantasyland, make sure to say hi to president josiah santos for me.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
abortion happenes it always will. Get your fucking nose out of people's lives and let them live with the mistakes they have made. A woman has the right to be stupid get knocked up and kill her unborn child. Its between her and god, its her pain to live with, its her karma that will stalk the rest of her life. Just make sure YOU are better than this. Besides, The devil gets his way through mass population.
i'm sure the women are falling all over themselves thanking you for your progressive stance on this issue.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
i'm sure the women are falling all over themselves thanking you for your progressive stance on this issue.
sex creates life. Life isn't something to be taken lightly. Especially not created irresponsibly. I also believe Sex ED should be taught in school. Not everyone has parents at home.
sex creates life. Life isn't something to be taken lightly. Especially not created irresponsibly. I also believe Sex ED should be taught in school. Not everyone has parents at home.
i'm really hesitant to ask this. i realize ultimately you think the woman should decide, but what about life that's created responsibly? many pregnancies occur with contraceptive use. i guess i just wonder if the condemnation would be less.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
seeson fyve, while of lowur overall quality, did include the episode 'the supremes', featuring glenn close as the 1st female hed of the supreme court.
back to season 7: josiah giving charlie his copy of the constitution still gives me a lump in my throat.
i just love the president and charlie's relationship. it warms my heart on a cold night. you're right. revised note below.
santa,
sorry but im not allwayz right eeven tho i think i am. id lik seeson 5 now. my mom sayz that womyn can be anything they want. and 1 is a supreem cort hed in seeson 5. that makes me happy. u no what else makes me happy? carrie brownstein. can i hav her too?
i luv u santa.
p.s. my mom helped me with cookies. she sayz that i shuld not use oven unsoupervized.
p.p.s. can u give my frend milhouse a new job?
xo.
vg
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
p.s. my mom helped me with cookies. she sayz that i shuld not use oven unsoupervized.
dear ms. vg,
ms. claus has read your wonderful letter and it filled her heart with the holiday spirit. santa himself is illiterate, so ms. claus paraphrased it for him. he even shared it with his jewish counterpart, hanukkah harry.
santa loves that episode of the west wing, too. especially when josh says: "i love her. i love her mind... i love her shoes."
thanks for the cookies, too. santa would also like to say he appreciates the whiskey drinks and chocolate bars you left him.
luv,
santa
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
When I fell pegnant I was using contraception and well educated about sex. I was 17 and in an on-off relationship and there was never any doubt in my mind about the decision I made. Now 10 years later I am still 100% certain that my life, and that of the child I would of had, would have been awful. I was still in school and would have led a poverty stricken existence with a child I was unable to care for emotionally, financially or practically. Having made my choice, I finished school, went on to gain a first class honours degree at university and a postgraduate and have a wonderful life. That said the decision was difficult and I suffered depression. I hope, once I have the means to support them, to have children in the future.
When people who have never been in the situation talk in abstract terms about what women should or shouldn't do, and in what circumstances it is acceptible to have an abortion (rape for example) they always cite the life & rights of a child. Well I was a child (tho over age of consent as I live in the UK), and it was my right to choose. It is every woman's right to choose. There are many MANY children in the world that are in care; abused physically, mentally or emotionally; abandoned. Many of the young parents of these children had their choice taken from them, either by families or religious pressures.
I am not saying my decision is right for everyone, and I agree wholeheartedly with all the comments about increasing awareness and sex ed among young people as if you can prevent even one girl having to make that choice it will all be worthwhile. Saying sex ed should be kept at home is a ridiculous statement - you can't as kids will miseducate each other in the absence of a school sex ed programme and not all parents/guardians are equipped or willing to give their children that information (religious groups that disagree with contraception, for example).
This is an emotive issue, but like all important rights it is the right of the individual in their inividual circumstances. It is not a decision made lightly in my experience and that of many women I know, so sanctimonius finger wagging is unhelpful and insulting.
The sooner Bush is out and the US can have a debate based on rational argument rather than religious ethics that we don't all follow, the better it will be for personal freedom.
uh yeah birth control pills have risks. i never said otherwise. that's what the doctor is there for, to evaluate the medical situation. i also never said that citizens should evaluate whether or not a woman should have an abortion. you seem to be under that impression. you stated you don't get the attitude of decreasing abortions. i simply stated that some people care about the women, and since it is a surgery with risks, that could explain why some people would rather see pregnancies prevented. i did forget to mention that abortion (surgical) is an invasive procedure. those people who care about the women in this situation would rather see them not have to go through that. and i bet many women would rather themselves not have to go through that. also, it's not just the surgery itself. there are so many restrictions in states that make it really hard for some women to actually get an abortion--and the cost too! especially if you go out-of-state, if there are waiting periods, it is amazingly expensive. so i think many women would rather have good preventative methods over a surgical procedure with lots of red tape that they can't afford.
btw, when you're compiling your stats, don't forget to factor in the anesthesia risks and that doctors don't prescribe pills to smokers over 35.
as always, so well stated. i am 100% behind, always, women making such choices for themselves, prochoice all the way...and yes, i think it is between patient and doctor and no one elses' business nor concern, but absolutely...i am all for preventitive care because it IS the safest way for any woman's health to not undergo any invasive procedure unless absolutely necessary...and why have it more than once if you can avoid it. it is not my business if a woman has one or multiple abortions...not my concern...but sure, for the health and safety of all women, i would hope better education, prevention would be there to help a woman make the choice for herself to avoid such.
Abortions are pretty damn disgusting. Anyone ever seen one? Easily the most violent and barbaric thing I've ever witnessed.
I don't know one way or the other on criminalization of abortions, but the practice itself is so hideous, I can't imagine doing that to another person.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Abortions are pretty damn disgusting. Anyone ever seen one? Easily the most violent and barbaric thing I've ever witnessed.
I don't know one way or the other on criminalization of abortions, but the practice itself is so hideous, I can't imagine doing that to another person.
They aren't pretty, but they sure as shit aren't barbaric. I think you are over dramaticizing it a bit.
Abortions are pretty damn disgusting. Anyone ever seen one? Easily the most violent and barbaric thing I've ever witnessed.
I don't know one way or the other on criminalization of abortions, but the practice itself is so hideous, I can't imagine doing that to another person.
Most surgical procedures are pretty gruesome.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
True. But if you really want to see barbaric, watch a tape of a back alley abortion with a hanger. That was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
True. But if you really want to see barbaric, watch a tape of a back alley abortion with a hanger. That was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
Oh man ... I don't need to see it, just the thought of it makes me queasy!
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
True. But if you really want to see barbaric, watch a tape of a back alley abortion with a hanger. That was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
Amen. Does the clinic room make the abortion look a little cleaner? A little more white? Instead of a hanger, do the forceps make everything lily white?
haha. I just consider the mass of bloody fetus being yanked out of the uterus and recognize what could have been a full grown baby if given the opportunity, and then I realize the barbaric and inhumane nature of abortion.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Amen. Does the clinic room make the abortion look a little cleaner? A little more white? Instead of a hanger, do the forceps make everything lily white?
haha. I just consider the mass of bloody fetus being yanked out of the uterus and recognize what could have been a full grown baby if given the opportunity, and then I realize the barbaric and inhumane nature of abortion.
It is not barbaric. The inhumane part is basically the center of the debate. Myself, I feel it is neither. My larger concern is that an unwanted child will never get the best parenting as the parents are either completely unprepared or basically unwilling--if they were, abortion wouldn't be an option. And ultimately, what happens to a child that isn't truly desired? Unsure an exact answer, but I know the child that is wanted and has devoted parent has a much better shot.
It is not barbaric. The inhumane part is basically the center of the debate. Myself, I feel it is neither. My larger concern is that an unwanted child will never get the best parenting as the parents are either completely unprepared or basically unwilling--if they were, abortion wouldn't be an option. And ultimately, what happens to a child that isn't truly desired? Unsure an exact answer, but I know the child that is wanted and has devoted parent has a much better shot.
I disagree with your argument simply because no one has proven to me that they are forecasters of the future.
If you knew the futures of every single aborted fetus, I could understand why you would say that. But, you don't. We have no idea what could have happened to them.
But, I prefer not to get into that part of the argument. I prefer to focus on the violence associated with the actual procedure. How does one human do that to another? Granted, the fetus is a little mess of a thing, but aren't we all?
Barbaric indeed: arms pull off while the heart still beats. Brains yanked out while the rest of the body is partially birthed. Barbaric.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I disagree with your argument simply because no one has proven to me that they are forecasters of the future.
If you knew the futures of every single aborted fetus, I could understand why you would say that. But, you don't. We have no idea what could have happened to them.
But, I prefer not to get into that part of the argument. I prefer to focus on the violence associated with the actual procedure. How does one human do that to another? Granted, the fetus is a little mess of a thing, but aren't we all?
Barbaric indeed: arms pull off while the heart still beats. Brains yanked out while the rest of the body is partially birthed. Barbaric.
It is barbaric. And it doesn't feel peachy-keen to the woman having her body vacuumed either. Yet, it's still better than a coat-hanger abortion or drinking some poisonous concoction in the hopes of causing a miscarriage.
And, in the past, people strangled unwanted babies or left them in fields to die, or put them in dumpsters, or just treated them like shit once they were born....
I think it's better that the little life isn't even conscious and doesn't go through any of that if it's unwanted. It seems less evil and cruel to me.
It is barbaric. And it doesn't feel peachy-keen to the woman having her body vacuumed either. Yet, it's still better than a coat-hanger abortion or drinking some poisonous concoction in the hopes of causing a miscarriage.
And, in the past, people strangled unwanted babies or left them in fields to die, or put them in dumpsters, or just treated them like shit once they were born....
I think it's better that the little life isn't even conscious and doesn't go through any of that if it's unwanted. It seems less evil and cruel to me.
So it's an extreme circumcision to you? Haha. Better cut the tip off now so the kid can grow up normal!
In this case I guess you'd be cutting out the brains so the kid doesn't have to grow up at all.
When you shine things out in the light, sometimes they're shown for what they really are.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
There should not be a choice when it comes to life! LET LIFE LIVE! If you dont want a kid.......stop fucking!
Yeah, that's pretty realistic. That's right up there with 'just say no'. Look, people fuck, we are hard-wired to do it to propogate the species. And occasionally, even with birth control, pregnancy can happen. And 100% of those pregnancies are unplanned/wanted, whether it be because a child doesn't fit with their lives, they aren't prepared (emotionally and/or financially), or they may know they would be shitty parents. Personally, I want those individuals to have an out rather than offer a kid an unfavorable enviornment, which doesn't do the child itself any favors.
Yeah, that's pretty realistic. That's right up there with 'just say no'. Look, people fuck, we are hard-wired to do it to propogate the species. And occasionally, even with birth control, pregnancy can happen. And 100% of those pregnancies are unplanned/wanted, whether it be because a child doesn't fit with their lives, they aren't prepared (emotionally and/or financially), or they may know they would be shitty parents. Personally, I want those individuals to have an out rather than offer a kid an unfavorable enviornment, which doesn't do the child itself any favors.
There are worse things than growing up poor and neglected.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
A group recently spent much time examining the unborn from various species, including humans and elephants. After seeing those pictures I don't think I could ever support aborting a human foetus. I don't like the idea of a woman who was raped or involved in incest having that child either, so in some ways this is a difficult issue. But I'm of the opinion that if someone is basically careless about contraception and they get pregnant is it plainly wrong to end the life of that unborn human being.
The wind is blowing cold
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
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don't hold your breath, lady. when you get to your crazy fantasyland, make sure to say hi to president josiah santos for me.
i'm sure the women are falling all over themselves thanking you for your progressive stance on this issue.
brevity is the soul of wit.
cross the river to the eastside
i am
i can't wait! i miss charlie.
cross the river to the eastside
i did a season 7 marathon a couple of weekends ago.
sex creates life. Life isn't something to be taken lightly. Especially not created irresponsibly. I also believe Sex ED should be taught in school. Not everyone has parents at home.
omg. i'm jealous. i'm way behind on my series ownership.
dear santa [picture this with a lot of backwards s's]. . .
id lik seesons 4, 5, 6, 7, of the west wing on dvd. maybee wiat on seeson 5 becos it was infeeror. i made cookies.
thanx.
vg
cross the river to the eastside
deer santa claus,
seeson fyve, while of lowur overall quality, did include the episode 'the supremes', featuring glenn close as the 1st female hed of the supreme court.
back to season 7: josiah giving charlie his copy of the constitution still gives me a lump in my throat.
i'm really hesitant to ask this. i realize ultimately you think the woman should decide, but what about life that's created responsibly? many pregnancies occur with contraceptive use. i guess i just wonder if the condemnation would be less.
cross the river to the eastside
i just love the president and charlie's relationship. it warms my heart on a cold night. you're right. revised note below.
santa,
sorry but im not allwayz right eeven tho i think i am. id lik seeson 5 now. my mom sayz that womyn can be anything they want. and 1 is a supreem cort hed in seeson 5. that makes me happy. u no what else makes me happy? carrie brownstein. can i hav her too?
i luv u santa.
p.s. my mom helped me with cookies. she sayz that i shuld not use oven unsoupervized.
p.p.s. can u give my frend milhouse a new job?
xo.
vg
cross the river to the eastside
dear ms. vg,
ms. claus has read your wonderful letter and it filled her heart with the holiday spirit. santa himself is illiterate, so ms. claus paraphrased it for him. he even shared it with his jewish counterpart, hanukkah harry.
santa loves that episode of the west wing, too. especially when josh says: "i love her. i love her mind... i love her shoes."
thanks for the cookies, too. santa would also like to say he appreciates the whiskey drinks and chocolate bars you left him.
luv,
santa
well i certainly cannot match that wit.
perfect. this santa is the best santa ever. i must write him and ms. claus more often.
cross the river to the eastside
When people who have never been in the situation talk in abstract terms about what women should or shouldn't do, and in what circumstances it is acceptible to have an abortion (rape for example) they always cite the life & rights of a child. Well I was a child (tho over age of consent as I live in the UK), and it was my right to choose. It is every woman's right to choose. There are many MANY children in the world that are in care; abused physically, mentally or emotionally; abandoned. Many of the young parents of these children had their choice taken from them, either by families or religious pressures.
I am not saying my decision is right for everyone, and I agree wholeheartedly with all the comments about increasing awareness and sex ed among young people as if you can prevent even one girl having to make that choice it will all be worthwhile. Saying sex ed should be kept at home is a ridiculous statement - you can't as kids will miseducate each other in the absence of a school sex ed programme and not all parents/guardians are equipped or willing to give their children that information (religious groups that disagree with contraception, for example).
This is an emotive issue, but like all important rights it is the right of the individual in their inividual circumstances. It is not a decision made lightly in my experience and that of many women I know, so sanctimonius finger wagging is unhelpful and insulting.
The sooner Bush is out and the US can have a debate based on rational argument rather than religious ethics that we don't all follow, the better it will be for personal freedom.
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as always, so well stated. i am 100% behind, always, women making such choices for themselves, prochoice all the way...and yes, i think it is between patient and doctor and no one elses' business nor concern, but absolutely...i am all for preventitive care because it IS the safest way for any woman's health to not undergo any invasive procedure unless absolutely necessary...and why have it more than once if you can avoid it. it is not my business if a woman has one or multiple abortions...not my concern...but sure, for the health and safety of all women, i would hope better education, prevention would be there to help a woman make the choice for herself to avoid such.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I don't know one way or the other on criminalization of abortions, but the practice itself is so hideous, I can't imagine doing that to another person.
-Enoch Powell
They aren't pretty, but they sure as shit aren't barbaric. I think you are over dramaticizing it a bit.
True. But if you really want to see barbaric, watch a tape of a back alley abortion with a hanger. That was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
Amen. Does the clinic room make the abortion look a little cleaner? A little more white? Instead of a hanger, do the forceps make everything lily white?
haha. I just consider the mass of bloody fetus being yanked out of the uterus and recognize what could have been a full grown baby if given the opportunity, and then I realize the barbaric and inhumane nature of abortion.
-Enoch Powell
It is not barbaric. The inhumane part is basically the center of the debate. Myself, I feel it is neither. My larger concern is that an unwanted child will never get the best parenting as the parents are either completely unprepared or basically unwilling--if they were, abortion wouldn't be an option. And ultimately, what happens to a child that isn't truly desired? Unsure an exact answer, but I know the child that is wanted and has devoted parent has a much better shot.
I disagree with your argument simply because no one has proven to me that they are forecasters of the future.
If you knew the futures of every single aborted fetus, I could understand why you would say that. But, you don't. We have no idea what could have happened to them.
But, I prefer not to get into that part of the argument. I prefer to focus on the violence associated with the actual procedure. How does one human do that to another? Granted, the fetus is a little mess of a thing, but aren't we all?
Barbaric indeed: arms pull off while the heart still beats. Brains yanked out while the rest of the body is partially birthed. Barbaric.
-Enoch Powell
It is barbaric. And it doesn't feel peachy-keen to the woman having her body vacuumed either. Yet, it's still better than a coat-hanger abortion or drinking some poisonous concoction in the hopes of causing a miscarriage.
And, in the past, people strangled unwanted babies or left them in fields to die, or put them in dumpsters, or just treated them like shit once they were born....
I think it's better that the little life isn't even conscious and doesn't go through any of that if it's unwanted. It seems less evil and cruel to me.
So it's an extreme circumcision to you? Haha. Better cut the tip off now so the kid can grow up normal!
In this case I guess you'd be cutting out the brains so the kid doesn't have to grow up at all.
When you shine things out in the light, sometimes they're shown for what they really are.
-Enoch Powell
This doesn't really make sense.
I'm reading all three of your ideas and yet they don't seem related to what I wrote.
Sorry.
Yeah, that's pretty realistic. That's right up there with 'just say no'. Look, people fuck, we are hard-wired to do it to propogate the species. And occasionally, even with birth control, pregnancy can happen. And 100% of those pregnancies are unplanned/wanted, whether it be because a child doesn't fit with their lives, they aren't prepared (emotionally and/or financially), or they may know they would be shitty parents. Personally, I want those individuals to have an out rather than offer a kid an unfavorable enviornment, which doesn't do the child itself any favors.
There are worse things than growing up poor and neglected.
-Enoch Powell
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?