I know...and I don;t see why. The doctor tells them, if they are chosing to use it as their means of protection you'd think they could set a damn alarm on their cell phone...
And, you'd think the idiot guy would be responsible enough to wrap up and know how to do it.
No... We need government subsidized programs to be responsible for you. We're all pretty aware that the average Joe isn't intelligent enough to take care of himself. I'm frightened just talking about it.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I know...and I don;t see why. The doctor tells them, if they are chosing to use it as their means of protection you'd think they could set a damn alarm on their cell phone...
And, you'd think the idiot guy would be responsible enough to wrap up and know how to do it.
a lot of people do set alarms. but when someone is doing a quantitative survey and asks if you have taken your pill at the exact same time for a whole month--there is bound to be numerous people who once in the span of a month missed the time by 5 or 30 minutes, which in reality is not a huge deal, but in the survey it seems like one.
with wrapping it up, i think some dudes do things that cause condoms to break easily. like not leaving a little space at the tip or choosing an incorrect size that makes it break, or slip off.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
uhhhh . . . it's hard to pinpoint the exact moment of pregnancy in active couples. that's why they study the month BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT INSTANCE.
Ok, so let me put it this way.
76% (of the 54% who were using contraception) admitted it was used improperly. This means you can another 41% to the 46% who admitted they weren't using contraception at all. Therefore 87% of these women admitted that they essentially weren't using contraception.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you know, for someone who is anti-abortion, i'd think you'd want to try to prevent them. why not develop a contraceptive that is highly effective and something you don't have to take at the same time every day?
I'm not against developing a more effective contraception. I'm just against people claiming ignorance when they should figure out how to use it no matter how difficult it is before they depend on it.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
76% (of the 54% who were using contraception) admitted it was used improperly. This means you can another 41% to the 46% who admitted they weren't using contraception at all. Therefore 87% of these women admitted that they essentially weren't using contraception.
nice try, but no.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
No... We need government subsidized programs to be responsible for you. We're all pretty aware that the average Joe isn't intelligent enough to take care of himself. I'm frightened just talking about it.
this is the sad truth. most americans are ignorant idiots. i think we need to do away with schools and go back to trades and apprenticeships for most people. then have a basic life skills class that teaches the morons how to apply a condom, how to balance a checkbook, how to budget, how to pay your bills...
76% (of the 54% who were using contraception) admitted it was used improperly. This means you can another 41% to the 46% who admitted they weren't using contraception at all. Therefore 87% of these womene s admitted that they essentially weren't using contraception.
I believe we should just use the Wal-Mart approach here and blame the drug companies. If these guys are holding women's hands while they're taking their pills, then what purpose do they really serve other than making obscene profits?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
a lot of people do set alarms. but when someone is doing a quantitative survey and asks if you have taken your pill at the exact same time for a whole month--there is bound to be numerous people who once in the span of a month missed the time by 5 or 30 minutes, which in reality is not a huge deal, but in the survey it seems like one.
with wrapping it up, i think some dudes do things that cause condoms to break easily. like not leaving a little space at the tip or choosing an incorrect size that makes it break, or slip off.
1) You could be right, dependin gon how the survey was conducted..but it looks bad the way it was reported...very bad
2) If they cared, they'd know how to put it on properly before using them...it's that they don;t care...it's because they can get away with it, and I think part of that is because we give all of the responsibility and all of the power to the woman when they get pregnant.
If you can't put a condom on properly, you are too stupid to be having sex.
this is the sad truth. most americans are ignorant idiots. i think we need to do away with schools and go back to trades and apprenticeships for most people. then have a basic life skills class that teaches the morons how to apply a condom, how to balance a checkbook, how to budget, how to pay your bills...
THAT is what's pathetic.
If most Americans are ignorant, which of the remaining are intelligent?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
1) You could be right, dependin gon how the survey was conducted..but it looks bad the way it was reported...very bad
2) If they cared, they'd know how to put it on properly before using them...it's that they don;t care...it's because they can get away with it, and I think part of that is because we give all of the responsibility and all of the power to the woman when they get pregnant.
If you can't put a condom on properly, you are too stupid to be having sex.
frankly i don't think it looks bad, but that's because i know what the pill is like. it seems really easy for people to criticize when they don't have a clue. i'm not necessarily talking about you here, in case you think that. i wouldn't want to make that bad day worse .
i say we should develop better contraceptive methods for men and women.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Abortion is a very hard topic to discuss as its not a black and white topic, there is some grey area. However if a woman undergoes an abortion, shouldn't it at least be mandatory for her (and her partner) be at the least heavily encouraged to be taught about the various conctraceptive methods and how to use them correctly? if someone is armed with this information and still ends human life then that is inexusable IMO.
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Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
Abortion is a very hard topic to discuss as its not a black and white topic, there is some grey area. However if a woman undergoes an abortion, shouldn't it at least be mandatory for her (and her partner) be at the least heavily encouraged to be taught about the various conctraceptive methods and how to use them correctly? if someone is armed with this information and still ends human life then that is inexusable IMO.
If we put more effort into comprehensive sex ed before that point, the number of abortions would decrease as a result of the of the decrease in the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Of course, in the end, if a woman is fully informed on the contraceptive options available to her and still decides to have an abortion, it's her legal right to do so.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
If we put more effort into comprehensive sex ed before that point, the number of abortions would decrease as a result of the of the decrease in the number of unwanted pregnancies.
I don't get this attitude. If abortion is going to be legal and we have no moral qualms about it being legal, why do we care how many abortions a woman is having?
Once the legal and moral objections to abortion are removed it's really just another form of birth control. It's use should be of no concerns to the public, and a private matter between a woman and her doctor. We really shouldn't be caring how many abortions a woman has any more than we care how many birth control pills she's taking. Or should we?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I don't get this attitude. If abortion is going to be legal and we have no moral qualms about it being legal, why do we care how many abortions a woman is having?
Once the legal and moral objections to abortion are removed it's really just another form of birth control. It's use should be of no concerns to the public, and a private matter between a woman and her doctor. We really shouldn't be caring how many abortions a woman has any more than we care how many birth control pills she's taking. Or should we?
well, some people actually care about the women here. surgical abortion is a surgery, albeit a safer one when legal. with any surgery comes risks. it's not just another form of birth control. it's surgery (unless one seeks a medical abortion).
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
well, some people actually care about the women here. surgical abortion is a surgery, albeit a safer one when legal. with any surgery comes risks. it's not just another form of birth control. it's surgery (unless one seeks a medical abortion).
Birth control pills have risks, pregnancy has risks. So where are caring people supposed to draw the line and also respect the privacy of women? So it seems you are advocating that th epublic step in at least a little into a private matter between a woman and her doctor because of health risks. Do you feel doctors and others involved in doing abortions are unable or unwilling to give this health risk related information to women? Is there some study that shows this information is not being given?
I don't have the stats to back this up but I would pretty safely venture to guess that the health risks of smoking while being on the birth control pull vastly outweighs the health risks of having an abortion, but I don't see the public debate or need of public debate over it. Somehow we trust doctors when they presecribe birth control to go over the associated health risks but we seemingly don't with abortion.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I don't get this attitude. If abortion is going to be legal and we have no moral qualms about it being legal, why do we care how many abortions a woman is having?
Someone smarter than me beat me to it, but here it is:
The main thing for me would be the fact that abortion is a surgical procedure, and undergoing any surgical procedure carries a certain amount of risk to the patient, whether it's an abortion or a gall bladder removal.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
Birth control pills have risks, pregnancy has risks. So where are caring people supposed to draw the line and also respect the privacy of women? So it seems you are advocating that th epublic step in at least a little into a private matter between a woman and her doctor because of health risks. Do you feel doctors and others involved in doing abortions are unable or unwilling to give this health risk related information to women? Is there some study that shows this information is not being given?
i'm not sure where you're going with this. how is the public stepping into a private matter between a woman and her physician?
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
Birth control pills have risks, pregnancy has risks. So where are caring people supposed to draw the line and also respect the privacy of women? So it seems you are advocating that th epublic step in at least a little into a private matter between a woman and her doctor because of health risks. Do you feel doctors and others involved in doing abortions are unable or unwilling to give this health risk related information to women? Is there some study that shows this information is not being given?
I don't have the stats to back this up but I would pretty safely venture to guess that the health risks of smoking while being on the birth control pull vastly outweighs the health risks of having an abortion, but I don't see the public debate or need of public debate over it. Somehow we trust doctors when they presecribe birth control to go over the associated health risks but we seemingly don't with abortion.
uh yeah birth control pills have risks. i never said otherwise. that's what the doctor is there for, to evaluate the medical situation. i also never said that citizens should evaluate whether or not a woman should have an abortion. you seem to be under that impression. you stated you don't get the attitude of decreasing abortions. i simply stated that some people care about the women, and since it is a surgery with risks, that could explain why some people would rather see pregnancies prevented. i did forget to mention that abortion (surgical) is an invasive procedure. those people who care about the women in this situation would rather see them not have to go through that. and i bet many women would rather themselves not have to go through that. also, it's not just the surgery itself. there are so many restrictions in states that make it really hard for some women to actually get an abortion--and the cost too! especially if you go out-of-state, if there are waiting periods, it is amazingly expensive. so i think many women would rather have good preventative methods over a surgical procedure with lots of red tape that they can't afford.
btw, when you're compiling your stats, don't forget to factor in the anesthesia risks and that doctors don't prescribe pills to smokers over 35.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
you too, eh? i never got the impression people wanted to decide for the women--unless we're talking about some anti-abortion folks.
i suppose you'd be satisfied with comprehensive sex education and unrestricted access to all legal contraception options for all women in the united states.
what kind of fantasyland are you living in?
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
i suppose you'd be satisfied with comprehensive sex education and unrestricted access to all legal contraception options for all women in the united states.
what kind of fantasyland are you living in?
get ready to have your mind blown---i do!
and it gets better. i believe men (and women) should have better, safer, more convenient forms of birth control to have unrestricted access to! this is on top of unrestricted access to abortion too! holy shit!
sad that it's a fantasyland, isn't it?
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
abortion happenes it always will. Get your fucking nose out of people's lives and let them live with the mistakes they have made. A woman has the right to be stupid get knocked up and kill her unborn child. Its between her and god, its her pain to live with, its her karma that will stalk the rest of her life. Just make sure YOU are better than this. Besides, The devil gets his way through mass population.
abortion happenes it always will. Get your fucking nose out of people's lives and let them live with the mistakes they have made. A woman has the right to be stupid get knocked up and kill her unborn child. Its between her and god, its her pain to live with, its her karma that will stalk the rest of her life. Just make sure YOU are better than this. Besides, The devil gets his way through mass population.
hey, at least you're pro-choice!
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
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No... We need government subsidized programs to be responsible for you. We're all pretty aware that the average Joe isn't intelligent enough to take care of himself. I'm frightened just talking about it.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
a lot of people do set alarms. but when someone is doing a quantitative survey and asks if you have taken your pill at the exact same time for a whole month--there is bound to be numerous people who once in the span of a month missed the time by 5 or 30 minutes, which in reality is not a huge deal, but in the survey it seems like one.
with wrapping it up, i think some dudes do things that cause condoms to break easily. like not leaving a little space at the tip or choosing an incorrect size that makes it break, or slip off.
cross the river to the eastside
Ok, so let me put it this way.
76% (of the 54% who were using contraception) admitted it was used improperly. This means you can another 41% to the 46% who admitted they weren't using contraception at all. Therefore 87% of these women admitted that they essentially weren't using contraception.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm not against developing a more effective contraception. I'm just against people claiming ignorance when they should figure out how to use it no matter how difficult it is before they depend on it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
nice try, but no.
cross the river to the eastside
this is the sad truth. most americans are ignorant idiots. i think we need to do away with schools and go back to trades and apprenticeships for most people. then have a basic life skills class that teaches the morons how to apply a condom, how to balance a checkbook, how to budget, how to pay your bills...
THAT is what's pathetic.
I believe we should just use the Wal-Mart approach here and blame the drug companies. If these guys are holding women's hands while they're taking their pills, then what purpose do they really serve other than making obscene profits?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
1) You could be right, dependin gon how the survey was conducted..but it looks bad the way it was reported...very bad
2) If they cared, they'd know how to put it on properly before using them...it's that they don;t care...it's because they can get away with it, and I think part of that is because we give all of the responsibility and all of the power to the woman when they get pregnant.
If you can't put a condom on properly, you are too stupid to be having sex.
If most Americans are ignorant, which of the remaining are intelligent?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
frankly i don't think it looks bad, but that's because i know what the pill is like. it seems really easy for people to criticize when they don't have a clue. i'm not necessarily talking about you here, in case you think that. i wouldn't want to make that bad day worse
i say we should develop better contraceptive methods for men and women.
cross the river to the eastside
Isn't that what abstinence is all about??
another thread indicated that was only for the uglies.
cross the river to the eastside
No kidding. I assume you are referring to the Terriers.
Wouldn't hurt.
the terriers? i just saw somewhere that you were having a bad day. maybe you should crack open a beer.
cross the river to the eastside
Oh, sorry...you are a college basketball fan right?
Bearcats lost at home last night to the Wofford Terriers. That was hard to type.
oh, sorry. maybe thinking about kansas' failures will make you feel better?
cross the river to the eastside
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
If we put more effort into comprehensive sex ed before that point, the number of abortions would decrease as a result of the of the decrease in the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Of course, in the end, if a woman is fully informed on the contraceptive options available to her and still decides to have an abortion, it's her legal right to do so.
Once the legal and moral objections to abortion are removed it's really just another form of birth control. It's use should be of no concerns to the public, and a private matter between a woman and her doctor. We really shouldn't be caring how many abortions a woman has any more than we care how many birth control pills she's taking. Or should we?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
well, some people actually care about the women here. surgical abortion is a surgery, albeit a safer one when legal. with any surgery comes risks. it's not just another form of birth control. it's surgery (unless one seeks a medical abortion).
cross the river to the eastside
I don't have the stats to back this up but I would pretty safely venture to guess that the health risks of smoking while being on the birth control pull vastly outweighs the health risks of having an abortion, but I don't see the public debate or need of public debate over it. Somehow we trust doctors when they presecribe birth control to go over the associated health risks but we seemingly don't with abortion.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Someone smarter than me beat me to it, but here it is:
The main thing for me would be the fact that abortion is a surgical procedure, and undergoing any surgical procedure carries a certain amount of risk to the patient, whether it's an abortion or a gall bladder removal.
i'm not sure where you're going with this. how is the public stepping into a private matter between a woman and her physician?
uh yeah birth control pills have risks. i never said otherwise. that's what the doctor is there for, to evaluate the medical situation. i also never said that citizens should evaluate whether or not a woman should have an abortion. you seem to be under that impression. you stated you don't get the attitude of decreasing abortions. i simply stated that some people care about the women, and since it is a surgery with risks, that could explain why some people would rather see pregnancies prevented. i did forget to mention that abortion (surgical) is an invasive procedure. those people who care about the women in this situation would rather see them not have to go through that. and i bet many women would rather themselves not have to go through that. also, it's not just the surgery itself. there are so many restrictions in states that make it really hard for some women to actually get an abortion--and the cost too! especially if you go out-of-state, if there are waiting periods, it is amazingly expensive. so i think many women would rather have good preventative methods over a surgical procedure with lots of red tape that they can't afford.
btw, when you're compiling your stats, don't forget to factor in the anesthesia risks and that doctors don't prescribe pills to smokers over 35.
cross the river to the eastside
you too, eh? i never got the impression people wanted to decide for the women--unless we're talking about some anti-abortion folks.
cross the river to the eastside
i suppose you'd be satisfied with comprehensive sex education and unrestricted access to all legal contraception options for all women in the united states.
what kind of fantasyland are you living in?
get ready to have your mind blown---i do!
and it gets better. i believe men (and women) should have better, safer, more convenient forms of birth control to have unrestricted access to! this is on top of unrestricted access to abortion too! holy shit!
sad that it's a fantasyland, isn't it?
cross the river to the eastside
hey, at least you're pro-choice!
cross the river to the eastside
Is he?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08