ive got to say you must not hang out with guys very often. i dont know anyone who was congratulated when he knocked a girl up. it's more like a death sentence. child support and whatnot. it's more about being able to nail as many girls as possible without getting caught. once you have a kid, the fun stops thus why i dont think this pill will be a big deal. not nearly as big a deal as the pill was back in the day or plan b is today.
actually i do hang out with guys often and some don't want to get pregnant, yet others do. however that doesn't matter because i'm not creating societal values just based on my own personal experience. you don't need to look far beyond your social circle to see the value of virility in our greater society.
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actually i do hang out with guys often and some don't want to get pregnant, yet others do. however that doesn't matter because i'm not creating societal values just based on my own personal experience. you don't need to look far beyond your social circle to see the value of virility in our greater society.
actually, i see the opposite. having big families is weird anymore. virility is less important than ever. what IS important is trophies. a lot of pretty arm candy or promotions at work. things along those lines. it's about conquest and achievement. virility in the child-producing sense seems less important now than ever.
actually, i see the opposite. having big families is weird anymore. virility is less important than ever. what IS important is trophies. a lot of pretty arm candy or promotions at work. things along those lines. it's about conquest and achievement. virility in the child-producing sense seems less important now than ever.
virility isn't necessarily about having big families. it's about the capability of making someone pregnant, which is key in regards to masculinity.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
virility isn't necessarily about having big families. it's about the capability of making someone pregnant, which is key in regards to masculinity.
Big assumption and completely wrong, at least in all my experiences.
Of all the traits I associate with masculinity the ability to pregnate someone does not make the list.
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Big assumption and completely wrong, at least in all my experiences.
Of all the traits I associate with masculinity the ability to pregnate someone does not make the list.
this isn't just an assumption of mine. i'm talking about traditional gender traits and roles that have actually existed in our society.
so i guess you just go against the grain then. kinda like how i'm a feminist, i suppose.
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cross the river to the eastside
Did anyone read about how it works? Sound weird to me. You get to come. . . but you don't get to actually come. . . Wouldn't really be the same I reckon. At least there's less mess to clean up afterwards.
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Did anyone read about how it works? Sound weird to me. You get to come. . . but you don't get to actually come. . . Wouldn't really be the same I reckon. At least there's less mess to clean up afterwards.
yeah, im gonna miss the money shot...
anyway, VG, i guess i see your point there. virility is important in that sense... that you COULD if you wanted to. but becos of that, i still wouldnt see a problem with this pill... cos even to guys for whome virility is important they can say "i COULD get her pregnant, i just choose not to cos there are other chicks to nail and job promotions to be had." it fits well into the double standard.
this isn't just an assumption of mine. i'm talking about traditional gender traits and roles that have actually existed in our society.
so i guess you just go against the grain then. kinda like how i'm a feminist, i suppose.
Based on what I've been able to find having kids did not make the list:
Sociologist Janet Saltzman Chafetz (1974, 35-36) describes seven areas of traditional masculinity:
Physical--virile, athletic, strong, brave. Sloppy, worry less about appearance and aging;
Functional--breadwinner, provider;
Sexual--sexually aggressive, experienced. Single status acceptable; male "caught" by spouse;
Emotional--unemotional, stoic, don't cry;
Intellectual--logical, intellectual, rational, objective, scientific, practical, mechanical, public awareness, activity, contributes to society; dogmatic;
Interpersonal--leader, dominating; disciplinarian; independent, free, individualistic; demanding; and
Other Personal Characteristics--aggressive, success-orientated, ambitious; proud, egotistical, ambitious; moral, trustworthy; decisive, competitive, uninhibited, adventurous.
(Levine, 1998, p.13)
Social scientists Deborah David and Robert Brannon (1976) give the following four rules for establishing masculinity:
No Sissy Stuff: anything that even remotely hints of femininity is prohibited. A real man must avoid any behavior or characteristic associated with women;
Be a Big Wheel: masculinity is measured by success, power, and the admiration of others. One must possess wealth, fame, and status to be considered manly;
Be a Sturdy Oak: manliness requires rationality, toughness, and self-reliance. A man must remain calm in any situation, show no emotion, and admit no weakness;
Give 'em Hell: men must exude an aura of daring and aggression, and must be willing to take risks, to "go for it" even when reason and fear suggest otherwise.
(Levine, 1998, p.145)
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
what was that about virility not making the list? isn't the ability to have kids kinda the definition of virility?
The definition that most matches our discussion (from dictionary.com) is "of, pertaining to, or capable of procreation." It contains the ability to procreate but doesn't necessarily require the getting the woman pregnant. Just get it hard and keeo it hard.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
i think that pill comes with a free tylenol wrapped in chocolate
Attention men:
Sex is a cure for headaches. I'm serious. Sex will get rid of your headache in the snap of a finger. So if your woman says she's 'got a headache' you know it's b.s.
The definition that most matches our discussion (from dictionary.com) is "of, pertaining to, or capable of procreation." It contains the ability to procreate but doesn't necessarily require the getting the woman pregnant. Just get it hard and keeo it hard.
that's what soulsinging said--having the ability to procreate is the same as being capable of procreation.
and that was my point. this pill eliminates that capability, albeit temporarily. so it challenges a traditional masculine quality.
thanks for finding some sociologists to back my argument.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Did anyone read about how it works? Sound weird to me. You get to come. . . but you don't get to actually come. . . Wouldn't really be the same I reckon. At least there's less mess to clean up afterwards.
There will probably be a lot of employees at massage parlors and porn shops who are very happy about this scientific breakthrough.
so it wouldn't interfere with the feeling of the orgasm? hmmmmm the female pill still sounds better though, because it can be taken at a regular time of the day and it regulates periods in many cases. but anything that stops getting the girlfriend pregnant sounds good.
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actually i do hang out with guys often and some don't want to get pregnant, yet others do. however that doesn't matter because i'm not creating societal values just based on my own personal experience. you don't need to look far beyond your social circle to see the value of virility in our greater society.
cross the river to the eastside
actually, i see the opposite. having big families is weird anymore. virility is less important than ever. what IS important is trophies. a lot of pretty arm candy or promotions at work. things along those lines. it's about conquest and achievement. virility in the child-producing sense seems less important now than ever.
virility isn't necessarily about having big families. it's about the capability of making someone pregnant, which is key in regards to masculinity.
cross the river to the eastside
Of all the traits I associate with masculinity the ability to pregnate someone does not make the list.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
this isn't just an assumption of mine. i'm talking about traditional gender traits and roles that have actually existed in our society.
so i guess you just go against the grain then. kinda like how i'm a feminist, i suppose.
cross the river to the eastside
go forth and multiply. be all fruitful and shit. it pleases the lord. you wouldn't want to upset the natural way of things, would you?
-C Addison
yeah, im gonna miss the money shot...
anyway, VG, i guess i see your point there. virility is important in that sense... that you COULD if you wanted to. but becos of that, i still wouldnt see a problem with this pill... cos even to guys for whome virility is important they can say "i COULD get her pregnant, i just choose not to cos there are other chicks to nail and job promotions to be had." it fits well into the double standard.
Sociologist Janet Saltzman Chafetz (1974, 35-36) describes seven areas of traditional masculinity:
Physical--virile, athletic, strong, brave. Sloppy, worry less about appearance and aging;
Functional--breadwinner, provider;
Sexual--sexually aggressive, experienced. Single status acceptable; male "caught" by spouse;
Emotional--unemotional, stoic, don't cry;
Intellectual--logical, intellectual, rational, objective, scientific, practical, mechanical, public awareness, activity, contributes to society; dogmatic;
Interpersonal--leader, dominating; disciplinarian; independent, free, individualistic; demanding; and
Other Personal Characteristics--aggressive, success-orientated, ambitious; proud, egotistical, ambitious; moral, trustworthy; decisive, competitive, uninhibited, adventurous.
(Levine, 1998, p.13)
Social scientists Deborah David and Robert Brannon (1976) give the following four rules for establishing masculinity:
No Sissy Stuff: anything that even remotely hints of femininity is prohibited. A real man must avoid any behavior or characteristic associated with women;
Be a Big Wheel: masculinity is measured by success, power, and the admiration of others. One must possess wealth, fame, and status to be considered manly;
Be a Sturdy Oak: manliness requires rationality, toughness, and self-reliance. A man must remain calm in any situation, show no emotion, and admit no weakness;
Give 'em Hell: men must exude an aura of daring and aggression, and must be willing to take risks, to "go for it" even when reason and fear suggest otherwise.
(Levine, 1998, p.145)
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
what was that about virility not making the list? isn't the ability to have kids kinda the definition of virility?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Sex is a cure for headaches. I'm serious. Sex will get rid of your headache in the snap of a finger. So if your woman says she's 'got a headache' you know it's b.s.
very cool about the pill too.
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that's what soulsinging said--having the ability to procreate is the same as being capable of procreation.
and that was my point. this pill eliminates that capability, albeit temporarily. so it challenges a traditional masculine quality.
thanks for finding some sociologists to back my argument.
cross the river to the eastside
There will probably be a lot of employees at massage parlors and porn shops who are very happy about this scientific breakthrough.
Hail, Hail!!!
still a good idea to wrap it up.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
Still... my friend was telling me about his neutering and he said smoke was coming from his balls... SMOKE WAS COMING FROM HIS BALLS!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?