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edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
Scientists develop male birth control pill
Single dose, hormone-free drug prevents ejaculation of sperm

When it comes to birth control, it may finally be the guy's turn.
British scientists are developing a male birth control pill that could put a smile on the faces of a lot of women, according to a report by NBC's Dawn Friesen on "Today" Tuesday. The hormone-free pill, which prevents the ejaculation of sperm, could be on the market in five years.
The pill, a single dose taken a few hours before having sex, affects contraction of the muscles that control ejaculation, but wouldn't interfere with performance or orgasm sensation, researchers at King's College London say. The result is a dry ejaculation.
"It’s not stopping sperm production," Dr. Christopher Smith told NBC News. "It’s not a hormonal method. It's just simply stopping the muscle which takes the sperm along."
The scientists found the solution after noticing that drugs used in the treatment of schizophrenia and high blood pressure were effective at preventing ejaculation, according to a report in the British newspaper "The Guardian Unlimited."
The pill would be more user-friendly than other male contraceptive methods such as vasectomy, injections or implants, researchers told NBC.*
"Within half a day, the sperm is on the move again," says Smith.
If the pill passes clinical trial, it could be a significant benefit for people who are anxious about long-term effects from hormones.
But if men can’t remember to take out the garbage, will they remember to take the birth control pill? Moreover, some men, worried that it could damage their virility, may object to taking any kind of pill.
"We know from international research that men want to take part in fertility control," Rebecca Findlay from the London Family Planning Association told NBC. "It could be quite liberating for couples.
The pill would not prevent sexually transmitted diseases, she said.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    When it comes to birth control, it may finally be the guy's turn.
    British scientists are developing a male birth control pill that could put a smile on the faces of a lot of women...

    I'm SMILING!! :D:D:D
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    if they can prove it's safe and has no long term effects, im ok with using it. problem is, a lot of it will be wasted effort when i pop that pill and hours later she's "got a headache."
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    if they can prove it's safe and has no long term effects, im ok with using it. problem is, a lot of it will be wasted effort when i pop that pill and hours later she's "got a headache."

    i think that pill comes with a free tylenol wrapped in chocolate
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I'm SMILING!! :D:D:D
    You'd trust a guy who told o he was on the pill?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    id be popping that pill everyday..i have no clue when im going to get laid.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    surferdude wrote:
    You'd trust a guy who told o he was on the pill?
    In a committed relationship, sure. I wouldn't be in a relationship with someone I thought would lie to me about birth control.

    This isn't suitable for more casual encounters, except as a back-up method, since people should be using condoms anyway.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    chopitdown wrote:
    i think that pill comes with a free tylenol wrapped in chocolate

    the chocolate is soaked in rum right?
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    surferdude wrote:
    You'd trust a guy who told o he was on the pill?
    Most likely not, but it's nice that the guys can take a pill now.
  • so, let's get the score here...if you (a) use female birth control pill, (b) wear a condom, and (c) use male birth control pill you WILL not have to resort to the abortion option. anyway, i say fuck it...who cares? i'm a supporter of stem-cell research, but only as it is a derivative of abortion.

    there are birth control options out there...pick ONE!
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    the chocolate is soaked in rum right?

    of course.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    chopitdown wrote:
    of course.

    good, that seems to be the only way i can get laid.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    so, let's get the score here...if you (a) use female birth control pill, (b) wear a condom, and (c) use male birth control pill you WILL not have to resort to the abortion option. anyway, i say fuck it...who cares? i'm a supporter of stem-cell research, but only as it is a derivative of abortion.

    there are birth control options out there...pick ONE!

    huh?
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    good, that seems to be the only way i can get laid.

    hey, when the game's not working..you gotta have a backup
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    hippiemom wrote:
    In a committed relationship, sure. I wouldn't be in a relationship with someone I thought would lie to me about birth control.

    This isn't suitable for more casual encounters, except as a back-up method, since people should be using condoms anyway.
    But you're the one who always mentions the big health risks to a woman when prgnant. Even in the most committed relationship I would still maintain the responsibility for my health.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    the chocolate is soaked in rum right?
    Is this some sort of trick question? Isn't chocolate always soaked in rum?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    i wonder what the chances are that the fda would approve something like this.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    surferdude wrote:
    But you're the one who always mentions the big health risks to a woman when prgnant. Even in the most committed relationship I would still maintain the responsibility for my health.
    I've been forced to trust my partners all my life, since I couldn't use any of the birth control methods available to women, so I was pretty choosy about who those partners were. Granted, it's obvious to me whether or not a guy has a condom on, but I trusted them not to make tiny pinpricks in the packages, or some other type of sabotage. I'd have preferred to take care of it myself, but that wasn't an option. This pill would have been great ... 25 years of condoms was a bit much.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    hippiemom wrote:
    I trusted them not to make tiny pinpricks in the packages, or some other type of sabotage.

    No sane guy would ever do something like that. You could tell this kind of sanity within seconds of meeting someone.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    zstillings wrote:
    No sane guy would ever do something like that. You could tell this kind of sanity within seconds of meeting someone.
    Yeah, that's pretty much the assumption I was working under. I also think you'd have to be pretty twisted to lie if a woman asked you if you took your pill.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    hippiemom wrote:
    Yeah, that's pretty much the assumption I was working under. I also think you'd have to be pretty twisted to lie if a woman asked you if you took your pill.

    you'd be amazed at what guys will tell you if they think it will get them laid ;)
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    i wonder what the chances are that the fda would approve something like this.

    probably pretty good. the powers that be dont give a damn about guys having as much sex as they want... it's those slutty women they're trying to keep in line.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    you'd be amazed at what guys will tell you if they think it will get them laid ;)
    LOL ... no, I don't think I would be, I've heard some good ones :D

    But again, I was talking in terms of a long-term committed relationship where it's probably assumed that you're going to get laid, if not tonight, then sometime soon, so there's much less motivation to lie. Not to mention that a man with strong survival instincts is not going to lie to the woman he lives with about birth control.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    probably pretty good. the powers that be dont give a damn about guys having as much sex as they want... it's those slutty women they're trying to keep in line.

    but even without this pill guys will have as much sex as they want. this pill doesn't really help them have more sex, like viagra does. this pill stops the man from fulfilling his duty of spreading the seed.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    but even without this pill guys will have as much sex as they want. this pill doesn't really help them have more sex, like viagra does. this pill stops the man from fulfilling his duty of spreading the seed.

    my point was more that it does NOT necessarily allow women to have sex more freely, so they have no reason to oppose it. viagra... woohoo! condoms, ok, whatever. this thing, same deal. plan b? WHOA! it will give women some power and control over sex, we must stop it!
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    my point was more that it does NOT necessarily allow women to have sex more freely, so they have no reason to oppose it. viagra... woohoo! condoms, ok, whatever. this thing, same deal. plan b? WHOA! it will give women some power and control over sex, we must stop it!

    yeah i understand what you're saying but i'm not talking about the woman's role, i'm talking about the man's role, which is something that is not commonly addressed because there hasn't been a pill like this before.

    this pill would restrict a god-given function for a man. i can see some people having a problem with that in this country. maybe not enough to stop it from being available, but we're far from that anyway. europe usually has nice birth contol measures before we do.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    yeah i understand what you're saying but i'm not talking about the woman's role, i'm talking about the man's role, which is something that is not commonly addressed because there hasn't been a pill like this before.

    this pill would restrict a god-given function for a man. i can see some people having a problem with that in this country. maybe not enough to stop it from being available, but we're far from that anyway. europe usually has nice birth contol measures before we do.

    im not sure i follow. are you saying you think christian groups will oppose it on the same grounds they oppose birth control? or that the pro-life crowd will oppose it by saying people should take responsibility for having sex and not cop out via this pill?
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    im not sure i follow. are you saying you think christian groups will oppose it on the same grounds they oppose birth control? or that the pro-life crowd will oppose it by saying people should take responsibility for having sex and not cop out via this pill?

    i'll try to clarify. you were talking about opposition to certain birth control measures for women because some people don't like women having control over their sexuality. women aren't supposed to have power and control. their traditional womanly role in society is to have babies and take care of them and the home. birth control gets women out of that if they want, and some don't like that. well a traditional role for men is to, and i hate to have to type this again because it makes me cringe, but they're supposed to go out and sow their wild oats and spread the seed. society values virility in men. this pill prevents virility, albeit temporarily (though pills for women are also temporary). so a pill for men would negatively affect a traditional male role. i could see that being upsetting for some, and i guess it would be more likely some christian groups, but really anyone who really holds dear traditional gender roles.

    there's also the aspect to consider that for so long birth control is seen as the woman's responsibility since she is the one who gets pregnant. some might have to get over that just because pergnancy doesn't affect their body that they have to take some responsibility because in the end it affects everyone.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    i'll try to clarify. you were talking about opposition to certain birth control measures for women because some people don't like women having control over their sexuality. women aren't supposed to have power and control. their traditional womanly role in society is to have babies and take care of them and the home. birth control gets women out of that if they want, and some don't like that. well a traditional role for men is to, and i hate to have to type this again because it makes me cringe, but they're supposed to go out and sow their wild oats and spread the seed. society values virility in men. this pill prevents virility, albeit temporarily (though pills for women are also temporary). so a pill for men would negatively affect a traditional male role. i could see that being upsetting for some, and i guess it would be more likely some christian groups, but really anyone who really holds dear traditional gender roles.

    there's also the aspect to consider that for so long birth control is seen as the woman's responsibility since she is the one who gets pregnant. some might have to get over that just because pergnancy doesn't affect their body that they have to take some responsibility because in the end it affects everyone.

    i think i mostly agree with all that. i just dont think there will be opposition to this pill becos there HAS been some change on the thinking on gender roles. women's are the same. but i think many of the people who support men "sowing their wild oats" have taken kids out of the occasion... making it more about men having their fun than producing offspring, mainly due to economics. they want men to be able to get that variety, but not have to pay any consequences for it if they aren't ready for it. they still feel that women, on the other hand, need to be kept in place. cos they guy should be able to sleep around without having to worry about that tramp of a woman cheating on him. basically, i see it more as a double standard with respect to power and control than traditional gender roles (which focus more on sex being bad in general, cos from a strict religious standpoint, men shouldn't be sleeping around either).
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    i think i mostly agree with all that. i just dont think there will be opposition to this pill becos there HAS been some change on the thinking on gender roles. women's are the same. but i think many of the people who support men "sowing their wild oats" have taken kids out of the occasion... making it more about men having their fun than producing offspring, mainly due to economics. they want men to be able to get that variety, but not have to pay any consequences for it if they aren't ready for it. they still feel that women, on the other hand, need to be kept in place. cos they guy should be able to sleep around without having to worry about that tramp of a woman cheating on him. basically, i see it more as a double standard with respect to power and control than traditional gender roles (which focus more on sex being bad in general, cos from a strict religious standpoint, men shouldn't be sleeping around either).

    sure i don't think there will be a huge public outcry in this sense, but i would definitely think some people will feel this way. traditional gender roles aren't only held by religious people, though many religious people do hold them. i see what you're saying about the oats but virility is about impregnating women. men commonly get congratulated when they git er done. and viagra doesn't ensure, but greatly helps, the situation.

    there wouldn't be double standards if there weren't traditional gender roles.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    sure i don't think there will be a huge public outcry in this sense, but i would definitely think some people will feel this way. traditional gender roles aren't only held by religious people, though many religious people do hold them. i see what you're saying about the oats but virility is about impregnating women. men commonly get congratulated when they git er done. and viagra doesn't ensure, but greatly helps, the situation.

    there wouldn't be double standards if there weren't traditional gender roles.

    ive got to say you must not hang out with guys very often. i dont know anyone who was congratulated when he knocked a girl up. it's more like a death sentence. child support and whatnot. it's more about being able to nail as many girls as possible without getting caught. once you have a kid, the fun stops ;) thus why i dont think this pill will be a big deal. not nearly as big a deal as the pill was back in the day or plan b is today.
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