Ancient ice shelf breaks free in Canadian Arctic

onelongsong

yield2me wrote:

You're right and I am all for an alternative energy source, but it WILL take money. Think about all the consumers that will need to re-buy their automobiles etc. Think about all the jobs lost due to the oil companies folding, the economic impact of that alone is scary.

Don't get me wrong, this needs to be done and not because I think that cars are causing global warming, I don't, but because energy should be cheap for everyone and will eliminate wars over oil etc...but to say it won't cost money to switch over to that system is ridiculous.

i agree. extinction is much cheaper. if not that; then living in domed cities. wait; where will the food come from?

polaris

surferdude wrote:

That's not what I've said at all. If Canada stopped using greenhouse producing gas tomorrow what would happen? Would your bus run to get you to work? Would you have heating for your home? How much would Canada be able to produce? Change in any behavior has an economic impact.

its bs ... how much are we paying in health care costs due to air pollution from that gas we burn? ... how about days lost to work due to being sick? ... there are two sides to every story ... what about the economic impact of that windstorm in bc? ... there are economic costs everywhere ... it's not like to fix it there won't be - they'll just be different ... but right now, we are paying an economic cost to inaction ...

we can shut down all the coal fired plants here in ontario if there is any semblance of conservation done ... that isn't hard ...

onelongsong

civ_eng_girl wrote:

this does not bode well for my ice-fishing trip in two weeks.... :(

i miss ice fishing. use the little "spring" bobbers on your poles. you'll do much better.
i'd like to hear FLAG UP again too.

yield2me

onelongsong wrote:

i agree. extinction is much cheaper. if not that; then living in domed cities. wait; where will the food come from?

Nobody is going to go extinct because you drive your escort down the road...gimme a break. Do people actually buy this bullshit?

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

HELLO. IT'S FOUND AND DEVELOPED.
i've been using solar power for years. i'm no where near the grid. prior i used wind energy. methane burns clean and there's vast frozen deposits all over the world.
where have you been?

Methane is a greenhouse gas too, is it not?

redrock

yield2me wrote:

You're right and I am all for an alternative energy source, but it WILL take money. Think about all the consumers that will need to re-buy their automobiles etc. Think about all the jobs lost due to the oil companies folding, the economic impact of that alone is scary.

Don't get me wrong, this needs to be done and not because I think that cars are causing global warming, I don't, but because energy should be cheap for everyone and will eliminate wars over oil etc...but to say it won't cost money to switch over to that system is ridiculous.

We tried to erect a little wind turbine in our back yard but planning permission was needed (UK) and we were turned down. It would have cost us thousands of pounds (a huge investment) but would have been more than enough for all our needs (and apparently surplus can be sold back to the power company - but not too sure how!).

No need for people to 're-buy' cars, etc. but these kind of things can be done when it's time to replace the item.

redrock

Ahnimus wrote:

Methane is a greenhouse gas too, is it not?

It's the fault of the cows. Eat more meat.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

tell you what. close yourself in a garage with your running car and in a few hours; come back and tell me how essential those gasses are to your life.
i'll leave a light on.

EPA.gov wrote:

Energy from the Sun drives the Earth's weather and climate. The Earth absorbs energy from the Sun, and also radiates energy back into space. However, much of this energy going back to space is absorbed by “greenhouse” gases in the atmosphere (see Figure 1 of Greenhouse Effect). Because the atmosphere then radiates most of this energy back to the Earth’s surface, our planet is warmer than it would be if the atmosphere did not contain these gases. Without this natural "greenhouse effect," temperatures would be about 60ºF lower than they are now, and life as we know it today would not be possible.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/index.html

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yield2me

redrock wrote:

We tried to erect a little wind turbine in our back yard but planning permission was needed (UK) and we were turned down. It would have cost us thousands of pounds (a huge investment) but would have been more than enough for all our needs (and apparently surplus can be sold back to the power company - but not too sure how!).

No need for people to 're-buy' cars, etc. but these kind of things can be done when it's time to replace the item.

My parents live out in the country and have several wind turbines on their property hooked up to generators. Those turbines make way more energy than they need to power the house and yes the electric company cuts them a check every month for any power generated above what they used.

Ahnimus

redrock wrote:

It's the fault of the cows. Eat more meat.

Actually the largest natural source of methane is:

Wetlands 76%
Termites 11%
Oceans 8%
Hydrates 5%
http://www.epa.gov/methane/sources.html

Ahnimus

epa.gov wrote:

Landfills. Landfills are the largest human-related source of methane in the U.S., accounting for 34% of all methane emissions. Methane is generated in landfills and open dumps as waste decomposes under anaerobic (without oxygen) conditions. The amount of methane created depends on the quantity and moisture content of the waste and the design and management practices at the site. The U.S. inventory report provides a detailed description on methane emissions from landfills and how they are estimated (see the Chapter entitled "Waste").

EPA has also established a voluntary program to reduce methane emissions from landfills. This program, known as the Landfill Methane Outreach Program (LMOP), works with companies, utilities, and communities to encourage the use of landfill gas for energy.

Fuck recycling, throw all your shit in the garbage and run your car on methane.

redrock

Ahnimus wrote:

Actually the largest natural source of methane is:

Wetlands 76%
Termites 11%
Oceans 8%
Hydrates 5%
http://www.epa.gov/methane/sources.html

And here I was thinking it was cow farts... bloody termites though! Maybe if we gang up on them, we can do something good to help alleviate global warming. (You know I was speaking in jest though, don't you?)

Ahnimus

redrock wrote:

And here I was thinking it was cow farts... bloody termites though! Maybe if we gang up on them, we can do something good to help alleviate global warming. (You know I was speaking in jest though, don't you?)

Oh yeah, I know

I've read that bovine flatulance attributes to more GH gases than cars do.

Humans also fart and shit and die, so we release these gases too.

yield2me

Ahnimus wrote:

Oh yeah, I know

I've read that bovine flatulance attributes to more GH gases than cars do.

Humans also fart and shit and die, so we release these gases too.

its all a bunch of BS

Ahnimus

Here you go, as of 2003, mobile sources(vehicles) of methane account for 2.7 (Tg CO2 Equivalents) and Manure(Shit) Management accounts for 39.1 (Tg CO2 Equivalents).

For NH4, Nitrous Oxide

Mobile
Sources
42.1

Manure
Management
17.5

Human
Sewage
15.9

For CO2, nothing competes with fossil fuels, 5,551.6
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarmi ... ochure.pdf

world

I wonder if the cavemen had the same amount of hysteria when their climate changed?

"UGGGG, TOo MaNY CAve FiRess! ToO lAte noW!"

yield2me

I just don't buy it

Jeanie

brain of c wrote:

the ice in my coke melted.:(

Funny!

searchlightsoul

onelongsong wrote:

tell you what. close yourself in a garage with your running car and in a few hours; come back and tell me how essential those gasses are to your life.
i'll leave a light on.

Those gases that kill you from your car.....its carbon monoxide not CO2. CO2 is not a pollutant.

Heineken Helen

yield2me wrote:

You're right and I am all for an alternative energy source, but it WILL take money. Think about all the consumers that will need to re-buy their automobiles etc. Think about all the jobs lost due to the oil companies folding, the economic impact of that alone is scary.

Don't get me wrong, this needs to be done and not because I think that cars are causing global warming, I don't, but because energy should be cheap for everyone and will eliminate wars over oil etc...but to say it won't cost money to switch over to that system is ridiculous.

Yes, the initial changeover may cost money BUT I'm sure rapeseed oil will be cheaper than that stuff they grow in Iraq! But I can really see those rapeseed companies becoming multinational tycoons invading other countries and guarding their rapeseed fields ah well, we'll never change I guess.

Ahnimus

searchlightsoul wrote:

Those gases that kill you from your car.....its carbon monoxide not CO2. CO2 is not a pollutant.

Oh yea, doh!

Carbon Monoxide would be CO, Carbon Dioxide being CO2. Why didn't anyone else catch that?

polaris

Carbon monoxide (CO) is not considered a direct greenhouse gas, mostly because it does not absorb terrestrial thermal IR energy strongly enough. However, CO is able to modulate the production of methane and tropospheric ozone. The Northern Hemisphere contains about twice as much CO as the Southern Hemisphere because as much as half of the global burden of CO is derived from human activity, which is predominantly located in the NH. Due to the spatial variability of CO, it is difficult to ascertain global concentrations, however, it appears as though they were generally increasing until the late 1980s, and have since begun to decline somewhat. One possible explanation is the reduction in vehicle emissions of CO since greater use of catalytic converters has been made.

from NOAA

yield2me

Heineken Helen wrote:

Yes, the initial changeover may cost money BUT I'm sure rapeseed oil will be cheaper than that stuff they grow in Iraq! But I can really see those rapeseed companies becoming multinational tycoons invading other countries and guarding their rapeseed fields ah well, we'll never change I guess.

You make a good point. I think as human beings we will always find a way to exploit a situation and make money. That will never change.

civ_eng_girl

onelongsong wrote:

i miss ice fishing. use the little "spring" bobbers on your poles. you'll do much better.
i'd like to hear FLAG UP again too.

lol! we don't even use poles... we use the old-fashioned "tippies"... just a hunk of wood with a nail through it, balanced on a stand with a couple of weights.... no reel... gotta bring 'em up by hand! :eek:

i will put a flag on mine this year though! :cool:

FISH ON! will become FLAG UP!

even flow?

Incase anybody wants to see some pics:
http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/technology/228/