Ancient ice shelf breaks free in Canadian Arctic

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I know what you mean. It's hard to argue against it. I'd prefer having global warming over another ice age. I like it being 50 degrees in Chicago in January... I really am against what we are doing to the environment, BUT you have to also understand Earth has gone through some drastic changes and there have been many periods with mass extinctions. It just so happens man is the cause this time around. I tend to think life will adapt and if man was no factor now, another Ice age in a few thousand years would do just as much damage as we could ever cause. Earth was once a lifeless rock. Earth once had great forests and dinosaurs.. hell another meteor would make what we're doing to the planet look like childs play.

    My advise to people.. stop littering and stop spawning. Too many people=too much death and destruction.

    there has been 3 mass extinctions and each caused by an event or events occuring about the same time. those were natural events. this event is man made.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yeah but I don't wanna hasten the extinction of humans or other species any sooner. I think it's best to preserve life and the quality of it here on earth as long as we can, imo.
    True. I think we will cause our own extinction if we are not careful.. maybe that's mother earth's master plan to get rid of us and clean itself up. It's almost peaceful to imagine a current had man never existed.. too bad there'd be nobody to enjoy it.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    i think it's time to sue the oil companies under the same legal grounds the tobacco industry was sued under.

    Hehe....that will work very nicely. That way you can drown with a wad of cash in your hand.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    onelongsong wrote:
    there has been 3 mass extinctions and each caused by an event or events occuring about the same time. those were natural events. this event is man made.
    It can also be argued that man is nature made. Unless you believe in god, nature made us, right? We are nature. If we destroy the environment, aren't we technically nature destroying things???
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    It can also be argued that man is nature made. Unless you believe in god, nature made us, right? We are nature. If we destroy the environment, aren't we technically nature destroying things???

    then if i kill a man it is only nature killing nature and i should not be held responsable.
    same analogy.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    onelongsong wrote:
    then if i kill a man it is only nature killing nature and i should not be held responsable.
    same analogy.
    I didn't say we wouldn't be held responsible for destroying nature. Hell, we'll be paying the ultimate price if we destroy things. Our own extinction.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I didn't say we wouldn't be held responsible for destroying nature. Hell, we'll be paying the ultimate price if we destroy things. Our own extinction.

    If we could, should we try to stop someone from killing another person?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If we could, should we try to stop someone from killing another person?

    Not if it means treating everyone as a murderer, regardless of their actions.
  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I know what you mean. It's hard to argue against it. I'd prefer having global warming over another ice age. I like it being 50 degrees in Chicago in January... I really am against what we are doing to the environment, BUT you have to also understand Earth has gone through some drastic changes and there have been many periods with mass extinctions. It just so happens man is the cause this time around. I tend to think life will adapt and if man was no factor now, another Ice age in a few thousand years would do just as much damage as we could ever cause. Earth was once a lifeless rock. Earth once had great forests and dinosaurs.. hell another meteor would make what we're doing to the planet look like childs play.

    My advise to people.. stop littering and stop spawning. Too many people=too much death and destruction.


    Bingo!! Thank you for saying the thing about people spawning! There is enough of us already, wear a fucking condom!
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Not if it means treating everyone as a murderer, regardless of their actions.

    What about the ones whose actions are leading to murder?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    If we could, should we try to stop someone from killing another person?
    Yes. Which is why I support keeping the environment as healthy as possible. The results will be us living as healthy as possible.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What about the ones whose actions are leading to murder?

    Then you are right to treat them as murderers. The bolded part of the statement above is very important, however.

    A man who digs a hole into which another man jumps is not a murderer.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then you are right to treat them as murderers. The bolded part of the statement above is very important, however.

    A man who digs a hole into which another man jumps is not a murderer.

    How about one who covers up the hole knowing that it will be crossed over?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How about one who covers up the hole knowing that it will be crossed over?

    Yes, that man is a murderer, because his actions are directly leading to a murder.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Not if it means treating everyone as a murderer, regardless of their actions.

    so let's ask some questions.
    are you knowledgable enough to know:
    1) burning oil products puts CO2 into the atmosphere?
    2) burning oil products puts sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere?
    3) burning oil products puts CO into the atmosphere?
    4) that these gases are fatal to humans and life in general?
    if you are intelligent enough to know this and you burn oil products; you are putting poison in my tea and thus you are a murderer.
  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    onelongsong wrote:
    so let's ask some questions.
    are you knowledgable enough to know:
    1) burning oil products puts CO2 into the atmosphere?
    2) burning oil products puts sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere?
    3) burning oil products puts CO into the atmosphere?
    4) that these gases are fatal to humans and life in general?
    if you are intelligent enough to know this and you burn oil products; you are putting poison in my tea and thus you are a murderer.


    I'll bet you drive a car...murderer! ;)
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Maybe the ice shelf will float all the way into Lake Ontario with some polar bears stranded on it. The bears can hop off and we can have that hunt that Mercer made them look silly about. :eek: ;)
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    so let's ask some questions.
    are you knowledgable enough to know:
    1) burning oil products puts CO2 into the atmosphere?

    Yes.
    2) burning oil products puts sulfer dioxide into the atmosphere?

    Yes.
    3) burning oil products puts CO into the atmosphere?

    Yes.
    4) that these gases are fatal to humans and life in general?

    They aren't fatal "in general".
    if you are intelligent enough to know this and you burn oil products; you are putting poison in my tea and thus you are a murderer.

    Yet I do all those things and you continue to live. How odd.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yet I do all those things and you continue to live. How odd.

    But for how much longer? No one said it was instantaneous.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    But for how much longer? No one said it was instantaneous.

    I could continue doing all those things and onelongsong would never die from them. That's the problem with the faulty logic. It fails the "directly leading" standard.

    It's the faulty logic that says this:
    that these gases are fatal to humans and life in general?

    which would in turn make breathing itself murder.

    The fact remains that emissions do not "in general" lead to murder. In fact, they "in general" lead to the opposite. However, in specific situations they can lead to death. The global warming crowd seems to have no interest in these specific situations.

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