Keep yer mouth shut, soldier!
SuzannePjam
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Instead of wanting to fix things and hold the people in charge accountable, BushCo. now want to punish the very soldiers who came back from Iraq with injuries. That's got to be one of the more callous things I've seen yet. Punnish the soldiers for speaking the truth, but never the fuck-ups who got them into the hospital in the first place. Give Bremmer a medal for his "great job" in Iraq, yet make the injured soldiers who actually fought 6 a.m. wake up calls and fire the sergeant for speaking out against poor conditions. Looks like the Bush administration is supporting the troops like they always have. Bastards.
Walter Reed patients told to keep quiet
By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer
Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.
“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.
Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.
They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.
The soldiers said they were also told their first sergeant has been relieved of duty, and that all of their platoon sergeants have been moved to other positions at Walter Reed. And 120 permanent-duty soldiers are expected to arrive by mid-March to take control of the Medical Hold Unit, the soldiers said.
As of Tuesday afternoon, Army public affairs did not respond to a request sent Sunday evening to verify the personnel changes.
The Pentagon also clamped down on media coverage of any and all Defense Department medical facilities, to include suspending planned projects by CNN and the Discovery Channel, saying in an e-mail to spokespeople: “It will be in most cases not appropriate to engage the media while this review takes place,” referring to an investigation of the problems at Walter Reed.
Walter Reed patients told to keep quiet
By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer
Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.
“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.
Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.
They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.
The soldiers said they were also told their first sergeant has been relieved of duty, and that all of their platoon sergeants have been moved to other positions at Walter Reed. And 120 permanent-duty soldiers are expected to arrive by mid-March to take control of the Medical Hold Unit, the soldiers said.
As of Tuesday afternoon, Army public affairs did not respond to a request sent Sunday evening to verify the personnel changes.
The Pentagon also clamped down on media coverage of any and all Defense Department medical facilities, to include suspending planned projects by CNN and the Discovery Channel, saying in an e-mail to spokespeople: “It will be in most cases not appropriate to engage the media while this review takes place,” referring to an investigation of the problems at Walter Reed.
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That statement is an outright lie and nothing short of it.
Did anyone see the Bob Woodward special last night on one of the major networks? It was about his recovery after being near a bomb explosion and visiting other injured soldiers in military hospitals and their stories. I was stunned to see this because I know that the military would not really allow this stuff to be showed. I ended up crying at the effects that this War has taken on them, and they're still barely living. They also mention that although they mention daily on the news of soldiers killed, they never mention the wounded and that there are so many more soldiers wounded than killed and that they get no coverage. It's disturbing that the media is told by the Bush administration NOT to allow these people the decency to tell their story and to show the reality of War and the Truth. These stories need to be told. We need to get to know what's going on; we need to be able to help our men and women. The gov't is directly controlling the media in covering up the realities of War in order to keep the public in the dark and to keep Bush's agenda valid. It's sickening. The media is not a separate entity if the gov't is allowed to manipulate it.
No it's not. It depends on which unit you're in, but it's at the very least uncommon these days. I doubt many units out there have daily room inspections at 6:00am still.
Why pick that statement out? Do you not agree this sounds like punishment?
you don't give a damned about the soldiers....you'd prefer to "slow bleed" them.
what scares me is, is the amount of Vitrioul people like you have towards such a liberal president. Imagine if we actually had a conservative?
time to take the blinders off.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
WTF? If you were really in the military you surely can see what's going on here. Why are you spinning this into something political? This is about dignity and respect. It's about freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
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what makes you think that?
the way we treat our soldiers is sick, disgusting and we ought to be ashamed of our government. when the war started they cut their hazardous duty pay, family separation allowance, if they died they didn't even cover the burial costs, when reservists got home they had to re-enroll for insurance sometimes every month <the bush administration was against just extending it>, they had to wait a lot of times 6 months to a year for their initial visit to the VA....not to mention not even sending them w/ the fucking protection they needed....!!!!
wtf man!?!? and we support them....how? by putting a fucking magnet on our car made by COMMUNIST china?
this should've been a big deal a long fucking time ago, to actualy punish them? for what? for answering some questions a reporter asked them??
how dare they!? some nerve, eh? they knew what they were in for when they signed the dotted line, right?
we all should be ashamed that we let our representatives behave like this. no money for proper care or even ADEQUATE protection, but hey, there's a whole lot of money for no-bid contracts for halliburton...not only that but fucking bonuses when they have proved time and again they have done nothing but scam and rob us of our tax money...feeding the troops spoiled food, contaminated water, double billing, charging for food and workers, work that never existed... getting paid soooooo much more than the soldiers, who often times have to protect them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNCon5Q370
here, take a look
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=HAL&a=11&b=31&c=2000&d=02&e=1&f=2004&g=w&z=66&y=66
while they were pushing for war halliburton's stock was under $20
now here
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=HAL&a=11&b=31&c=2000&d=11&e=31&f=2007&g=w
a year ago their stock was $70-80, staying in that range every week but 1 until july 06 when they split theri stocks 2:1, to where it is now $31.77, which would be roughly $63...how can you excuse this gross profit at their expense?
so he's liberal, exactly how? they don't give a fuck about the soldiers except that there's enough of em
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It is unusual
And for the deal about speaking to the media, well one of the things covered in basic training was how to handle the media, we were told to always direct any questions to the Public Affairs Officer. So being cut off from the media is no big deal really, I sense something far deeper here, media contact is not the reason the First Sgt and Platon Sgts were relieved.
There's more to "liberal" than simply spending money. For one, where it's spent makes a huge difference. There's an old name for big government conservativism - particularly that type of conservativism that rattles sabres, demands warfare, and does all it can to further a socially regressive agenda and nationalistic attitude. One where critics are simply told to "shut up" - forcibly so in this case.
And no, it doesn't require a comparison to Hitler.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
that doesn't mean you treat them like shit.
they didn't do a damn thing wrong so why punish them?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I do not consider banning them from talking to the media as punishment or treating them badly.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Not a big freedom lover, eh?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he he...they are defending our "freedom" yet they can't have their own...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070301/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/walter_reed
My guess is....that isn't a big selling point come recruitment time...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't think the poor medical facilities were a punishment, but it is definitely not a good thing. Complaining is not allowed in the military. They new that going in.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Your absolutely right. Now please explain to us what the whole SUPPORT THE TROOPS mean. People have been harassed, ridiculed, and personally attacked because they have said or been perceived to have said something negative about our SOLDIERS.
We have talked about numerous inconsistencies that this Administration has done that pisses in the face of our Soldiers and their families, yet, it never failed that the old two standard fall back lines came into play.
a) they volunteered
b) they're soldiers, they should just follow orders
Honestly, at what point, does SUPPORT THE TROOPS mean more than a symbolic magnet?
They were sent into a country, Afghanistan, which is in the top five list of countries with the most land mines in the world and our returning soldiers injuries demonstrate such. So Please, explain how this Administration is allowed to use soldiers to promote their own agenda. Yet, here they are with missing body parts, subjected to diseased rodents which could easily infect them and NOW this Administration wants them to shut up. Enlighten us on how this falls under shut up and follow orders.
He he... because that is not anymore true than for any other group of people.. It may appear that way to you because at times their jobs can be somewhat hazardous and stressful... making their management scheme very important.
Our soldiers are treated as laborors in a nation filled with contempt for laborors...
And it lies to them to do their bidding.
I don't know what "support the troops" means. I've never claimed to or asked anyone to do it. I wish them absolutely no ill will, and on some level I respect what they feel called to do, but I do not believe wars are justified.
That being said, everyone knows that war is a possibility if you join the military, so they are joining at their own risk.
Personally, there's a part of me who wishes nobody would ever join. It would be a lot harder to conduct a war if you had nobody willing to fight.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I didn't lie to them...nor did I fall for any lies.
It's hard to believe that there are people who do not understand that when you enlist you are essentially signing away your freedom and agreeing to obey orders for a set period of time.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That of course is not true.. well with the exception of some movies. They recieve training - they have responsibilities.. they are trained to respect those with other responsibilities and to meet their own.
The do not sign away any freedoms.
I NEVER defended those conditions. I think they're as deplorable as you do. I was making a general comment on the nature of being in the military.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Do you think the soldiers should break the rules stand up for themselves when being mistreated or should they simply follow orders and shut up??
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Are you free to walk out the door and not look back without repercussions?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.