By EVERYONE? Yes, I do find that unreasonable to believe... was there only one member of staff in the entire hospital who could have helped her?
Peer pressure goes a long way. I'm not saying this lady died because she was hispanic. I'm saying that they didnt notice her bleeding on the floor. Them not doing shit opens up questions as to why, which include racism and prejudice.
Understand, i am not making blanket indictments of healthcare workers as i have much respect for the field in general. In this particular instance, i just can't help wondering, had she been english speaking and white, insurance or not...
I'm not so sure about that. King/Harbor is a shitty hospital with a history of problems. They are in an undesirable area. I'm betting this woman looked just like most of the people in the hospital emergency room. There would have been no reason to single her out to ignore her based on her race or lack of insurance. I'm thinking it was partially due to her frequency there in the few days leading up to her death. She'd been there three previous times in the days preceding the incident to get pain meds. I wouldn't be surprised if an uncaring staffer saw her come in again, rolled her eyes, and figured she could wait in line like everyone else. I read that 40% of the vocational nurses and nurses assistants couldn't even pass a basic skills test during an audit. That place has been a disaster and should have been shut down. They've been threatened with having federal funding taken away, but so far nothing has happened.
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By EVERYONE? Yes, I do find that unreasonable to believe... was there only one member of staff in the entire hospital who could have helped her?
I agree with you. If this were simply racism, why was anyone in that emergency room being treated? Not sure why the race card is pulled out so often here, but the problems at that hospital are many and deep.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Well that just fucking sucks. Is there a limit on the amount of times can be treated for one thing before thrown into the boy cried wolf catergory? By the way, yes, I would be skeptical if a boy told me twice that he had seen a wolf and i went up to the flock and saw nothing. But if he came back bleeding and in extreme pain, I'd probably be inclined to believe him.
I agree with you. If this were simply racism, why was anyone in that emergency room being treated? Not sure why the race card is pulled out so often here, but the problems at that hospital are many and deep.
Because that's what happens. Yes, it's a reasonable question to ASK... but when you actually think about it, it's a pretty ridiculous accusation. Yes, obviously the set up at the hospital was shit, but I'd say it's no more than that.
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Its one thing to give out about immigrants or other races... but to actually watch somebody die if you have the capabilities to stop it and do nothing... that's an ENTIRELY different ballgame there! You're pretty much talking manslaughter.
Well, then, since you brought it up, IMO, white, black, green, purple, orange or brown, speaking English, Spanish, French, or Elvish, trained professionals watching someone die on a hospital floor and refusing to intervene, pretty much IS manslaughter.
i am only questioning WHY, in this particular instance. Whereas i'll stop short, at this point from making outright accusations, i simply can't help but wonder if perhaps the underlying, subconscious, "Mexican (or Spanish speaking) hatrerd that seems to be the current, government created trend in these United States, has something to do with it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I'm not so sure about that. King/Harbor is a shitty hospital with a history of problems. They are in an undesirable area. I'm betting this woman looked just like most of the people in the hospital emergency room. There would have been no reason to single her out to ignore her based on her race or lack of insurance. I'm thinking it was partially due to her frequency there in the few days leading up to her death. She'd been there three previous times in the days preceding the incident to get pain meds. I wouldn't be surprised if an uncaring staffer saw her come in again, rolled her eyes, and figured she could wait in line like everyone else. I read that 40% of the vocational nurses and nurses assistants couldn't even pass a basic skills test during an audit. That place has been a disaster and should have been shut down. They've been threatened with having federal funding taken away, but so far nothing has happened.
Perhaps. As i said earlier, i am not making accusations. Just asking questions. Can't help it. I certainly hope it has nothing to do with it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Well in Canada, I can make and take as many trips to the hospitals/doctors office as I like, and always get appropriate and friendly treatment. I actually had to decline an MRI, and a doctors appointment last week because I didn't feel it was necessary (I've had 4 MRI's and about a 8 doc appts,various bloodwork, SFEMG tests (very exclusive procedure) and a trip to the hosp emerg room in the past 6 months). It was all free. I suppose it has a lot to do with who or what you are to a certain degree.
If you are articulate, intelligent, outspoken, jovial, and physically appealing, I would make bets you get preferential treatment with just about everything in life. Not to blow my own horn but you get the idea...
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Perhaps. As i said earlier, i am not making accusations. Just asking questions. Can't help it. I certainly hope it has nothing to do with it.
Seems like this woman had been treated numerous times for the same thing inrecent days leading up to this and that it got to a point where the hospital staff said "enough. we're not dealing with this anymore". which, looking at the evidence, is ridiculous and on the level of manslaughter.
not 911's fault it's the hospital, ER is Triage and they have to take everyone by law so either they were overloaded or they dropped the ball either way it's the hospitals fault not 911. they should have complained to the hospital.
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Seems like this woman had been treated numerous times for the same thing inrecent days leading up to this and that it got to a point where the hospital staff said "enough. we're not dealing with this anymore". which, looking at the evidence, is ridiculous and on the level of manslaughter.
Agreed. i guess i have to wonder exactly how well she had been "treated" if she was still having problems to the point of death.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Well, then, since you brought it up, IMO, white, black, green, purple, orange or brown, speaking English, Spanish, French, or Elvish, trained professionals watching someone die on a hospital floor and refusing to intervene, pretty much IS manslaughter.
i am only questioning WHY, in this particular instance. Whereas i'll stop short, at this point from making outright accusations, i simply can't help but wonder if perhaps the underlying, subconscious, "Mexican (or Spanish speaking) hatrerd that seems to be the current, government created trend in these United States, has something to do with it.
Yes, it pretty much IS manslaughter no matter what colour you are... which is why there's no need to BRING the race issue into it. Did the nurse/doctor actually stand there and say 'fuck it, I'm not going near her' or were they up to their eyes dealing with other patients and didn't listen to her family.
Besides, do we know the race of the staff who are at fault?
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Yes, it pretty much IS manslaughter no matter what colour you are... which is why there's no need to BRING the race issue into it. Did the nurse/doctor actually stand there and say 'fuck it, I'm not going near her' or were they up to their eyes dealing with other patients and didn't listen to her family.
Besides, do we know the race of the staff who are at fault?
While I personally thought there was something else coming into play other than race, I don't think it was too crazy to bring it up. Obviously, that had nothing to do with it, seems like the staff got fed up and said "piss off". But the theories of it having to do with race are over. It had nothing to do with that. Which is good. But right now, i still think a manslaughter occured at the hospital, whether or not they are found guilty of it.
Yes, it pretty much IS manslaughter no matter what colour you are... which is why there's no need to BRING the race issue into it. Did the nurse/doctor actually stand there and say 'fuck it, I'm not going near her' or were they up to their eyes dealing with other patients and didn't listen to her family.
Besides, do we know the race of the staff who are at fault?
The anti-Mexican/spanish speaking sentiment in the U.S right now is such that it is not a crazy thought i had at all.
As far as the rest, i will go out on a limb and guess that the hospital staff were not "up to their eyes" dealing with other patients bleeding to death on the floor. The guy with the sliver and the woman with mild flu like symptoms can wait, even if they were in line first. Its called prioritizing.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
“I’m in the emergency room. My wife is dying and the nurses don’t want to help her out,” Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Jose Prado, is heard saying in Spanish through an interpreter on the tapes.
Was this guy her husband? Or boyfriend?
Also....I'm pissed that the news has focused on the 911 operator who refused to help.
75% of the blame goes on the hospital. 25% of the blame falls on the husband/boyfriend who didn't cause enough ruckus to get a manager or hospital administrator.
Also....I'm pissed that the news has focused on the 911 operator who refused to help.
75% of the blame goes on the hospital. 25% of the blame falls on the husband/boyfriend who didn't cause enough ruckus to get a manager or hospital administrator.
Maybe the guy said wife so he would be taken more seriously. Besides, whos to say he didnt try and stir shit up to get them to help? Sometimes there not shit you can do though.
Also....I'm pissed that the news has focused on the 911 operator who refused to help.
75% of the blame goes on the hospital. 25% of the blame falls on the husband/boyfriend who didn't cause enough ruckus to get a manager or hospital administrator.
A woman bleeding to death on the floor is not ruckus enough? The guy, really, shouldn't have to say a damn thing.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
first off, this woman was WANTED for parole violation. if she had been in jail or prison as she should have been, she would've gotten immediate attention from the on site staff and if there was none, she would have been transported to a hospital that had an opening.
secondly, what was causing the bleeding? I didn't read anything about a gunshot or car accident, so I have to assume it's some kind of internal bleeding most likely caused by the "continued illicit drug use" referred to in the story. what, adult people don't know that heavy and continued narcotics use can cause such things? my brother-in-law was so hooked on pain pills that it caused a throat ulcer to close his throat up, allowing him only to eat liquids for many months. whose fault is that?
sorry if that sounds bad, but you people are acting like 1. this was mother teresa that died or 2. you were at the hospital. were any of you actually AT the hospital at the time? being in innercity LA, I'd imagine they were very understaffed (hell, who in there right mind would want to work there when there are openings at every hospital across the country), there were probably several very serious things already being attended to (like gunshots, knifings, rapes, or car accidents. afterall, this is LA). so what would you have liked for them to have done?
I'm not saying the hospital WASN'T responsible, I'm saying none of you can rightfully judge unless you know the facts. every hospital in this country is understaffed, so does that mean the gunshot victim already on the operating table should be allowed to die so they could help little miss drug addict parole violator?
first off, this woman was WANTED for parole violation. if she had been in jail or prison as she should have been, she would've gotten immediate attention from the on site staff and if there was none, she would have been transported to a hospital that had an opening.
secondly, what was causing the bleeding? I didn't read anything about a gunshot or car accident, so I have to assume it's some kind of internal bleeding most likely caused by the "continued illicit drug use" referred to in the story. what, adult people don't know that heavy and continued narcotics use can cause such things? my brother-in-law was so hooked on pain pills that it caused a throat ulcer to close his throat up, allowing him only to eat liquids for many months. whose fault is that?
sorry if that sounds bad, but you people are acting like 1. this was mother teresa that died or 2. you were at the hospital. were any of you actually AT the hospital at the time? being in innercity LA, I'd imagine they were very understaffed (hell, who in there right mind would want to work there when there are openings at every hospital across the country), there were probably several very serious things already being attended to (like gunshots, knifings, rapes, or car accidents. afterall, this is LA). so what would you have liked for them to have done?
I'm not saying the hospital WASN'T responsible, I'm saying none of you can rightfully judge unless you know the facts. every hospital in this country is understaffed, so does that mean the gunshot victim already on the operating table should be allowed to die so they could help little miss drug addict parole violator?
We're acting like she was a human being who was denied treatment and then died because of it. It doesn't matter what she had did before...it's wrong to stand by and watch as someone dies. Period.
And you think we shouldn't pass judgement on a hospital that clearly didn't do it's job but you're willing to jump out on a limb and assume this woman was on drugs. Yeah, no judgement there. :rolleyes:
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first off, this woman was WANTED for parole violation. if she had been in jail or prison as she should have been, she would've gotten immediate attention from the on site staff and if there was none, she would have been transported to a hospital that had an opening.
secondly, what was causing the bleeding? I didn't read anything about a gunshot or car accident, so I have to assume it's some kind of internal bleeding most likely caused by the "continued illicit drug use" referred to in the story. what, adult people don't know that heavy and continued narcotics use can cause such things? my brother-in-law was so hooked on pain pills that it caused a throat ulcer to close his throat up, allowing him only to eat liquids for many months. whose fault is that?
sorry if that sounds bad, but you people are acting like 1. this was mother teresa that died or 2. you were at the hospital. were any of you actually AT the hospital at the time? being in innercity LA, I'd imagine they were very understaffed (hell, who in there right mind would want to work there when there are openings at every hospital across the country), there were probably several very serious things already being attended to (like gunshots, knifings, rapes, or car accidents. afterall, this is LA). so what would you have liked for them to have done?
I'm not saying the hospital WASN'T responsible, I'm saying none of you can rightfully judge unless you know the facts. every hospital in this country is understaffed, so does that mean the gunshot victim already on the operating table should be allowed to die so they could help little miss drug addict parole violator?
Actually I'm acting like
1. This woman had blood coming from her mouth and was in pain
2. She died.
What would I have liked for them to do? Atleast check her out to see if she needs serious help. That doesn't involve pulling a doc from surgery to check on her. By the way, what if that gun shot victim was a banger? then they can walk away?
We're acting like she was a human being who was denied treatment and then died because of it. It doesn't matter what she had did before...it's wrong to stand by and watch as someone dies. Period.
And you think we shouldn't pass judgement on a hospital that clearly didn't do it's job but you're willing to jump out on a limb and assume this woman was on drugs. Yeah, no judgement there. :rolleyes:
I didn't ASSUME this woman was on drugs, the info provided stated that she had a history of "continued illicit drug use". that's not "jumping out on a limb", that's called going with the information that is provided.
and again, none of you actually know the facts of what was going on at the hospital at the time. let's say this hospital had 5 doctors onsite who were tending to 5 different emergency problems. what would have liked to see happen? of course if the doctors were standing around with their thumbs up their asses, they were responsible. but if that wasn't the case, are they supposed to drop the emergency they're already handling to help this woman's emergency?
I didn't ASSUME this woman was on drugs, the info provided stated that she had a history of "continued illicit drug use". that's not "jumping out on a limb", that's called going with the information that is provided.
and again, none of you actually know the facts of what was going on at the hospital at the time. let's say this hospital had 5 doctors onsite who were tending to 5 different emergency problems. what would have liked to see happen? of course if the doctors were standing around with their thumbs up their asses, they were responsible. but if that wasn't the case, are they supposed to drop the emergency they're already handling to help this woman's emergency?
But that doesn't prove that's what was causing her illness. And even if it was, it's wrong to not treat her.
The woman that also called 911 who was there at the hospital seemed to think it was wrong too. And she knows a bit more about what was going on there at the hospital than you and your hypotheticals.
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1. This woman had blood coming from her mouth and was in pain
2. She died.
What would I have liked for them to do? Atleast check her out to see if she needs serious help. That doesn't involve pulling a doc from surgery to check on her. By the way, what if that gun shot victim was a banger? then they can walk away?
emergency rooms are generally "first come, first served". I'm not saying that a doctor should be helping someone with a foot ache over somebody that is vomitting blood. but what if they were all tied up with other dire situations? and that is very likely the case since that's a major city with many millions of people. a doctor can't always up and leave an emergency surgery to "check on" someone in the lobby.
I'm no healthcare expert, but I believe the emergency room protacol is that if an ambulance crew is kept up to date on what ERs have immediate availabilities, right? did this woman get to the ER by ambulance or by boyfriend? it "sounds" (but alas, I don't pretend to know the facts either) like she needed to be at another hospital. and that is handled by the ambulance drivers, not the volunteer that sits at the check in counter.
But that doesn't prove that's what was causing her illness. And even if it was, it's wrong to not treat her.
The woman that also called 911 who was there at the hospital seemed to think it was wrong too. And she knows a bit more about what was going on there at the hospital than you and your hypotheticals.
how many hands does a human being have? 2? then how would it be possible for a doctor with 2 hands to help this woman when they're already helping somebody else? that's what I'm asking. you seem to be assuming the doctor is some kind of superhuman miracle worker that can just step into a lobby and heal everybody.
this 3rd party woman you speak of, why didn't she help get the woman to another hospital? if she was able to call 911 and could not get help, she was obviously able to flag down a taxi or an ambulance, no?
emergency rooms are generally "first come, first served". I'm not saying that a doctor should be helping someone with a foot ache over somebody that is vomitting blood. but what if they were all tied up with other dire situations? and that is very likely the case since that's a major city with many millions of people. a doctor can't always up and leave an emergency surgery to "check on" someone in the lobby.
I'm no healthcare expert, but I believe the emergency room protacol is that if an ambulance crew is kept up to date on what ERs have immediate availabilities, right? did this woman get to the ER by ambulance or by boyfriend? it "sounds" (but alas, I don't pretend to know the facts either) like she needed to be at another hospital. and that is handled by the ambulance drivers, not the volunteer that sits at the check in counter.
There's no way I would want a doc pulled out of surgery. That's completely unrealistic. It'd be nice though if when one went to the hospital with a serious injury that they could be checked on and taken are of. But like you said, a understaffed hospital can only do so much. It's pretty much a no win situation for everyfuckingbody. what a fucking nightmare.
There's no way I would want a doc pulled out of surgery. That's completely unrealistic. It'd be nice though if when one went to the hospital with a serious injury that they could be checked on and taken are of. But like you said, a understaffed hospital can only do so much. It's pretty much a no win situation for everyfuckingbody. what a fucking nightmare.
yes, it is a nightmare. but doctors are hard to come by. there are years long waiting lists in nursing schools, etc (my wife is an RN. the school she graduated from has a waiting list until 2012). I am just not so quick to put this off on the hospital. maybe it's their faults, maybe it's not. but if a hospital is overworked and understaffed, is that the workers' fault who happen to be in the hospital at the time?
how many hands does a human being have? 2? then how would it be possible for a doctor with 2 hands to help this woman when they're already helping somebody else? that's what I'm asking. you seem to be assuming the doctor is some kind of superhuman miracle worker that can just step into a lobby and heal everybody.
this 3rd party woman you speak of, why didn't she help get the woman to another hospital? if she was able to call 911 and could not get help, she was obviously able to flag down a taxi or an ambulance, no?
So this hosptial only had one doctor? How do you know how many doctors were available? There's always some kind of resource at a hospital that can be utilized...every patient there surely wasn't in critical condition all at the exact same time.
And the 3rd party woman, I'm sure, was in the ER for her own reasons. People just don't hang out there for the scenery.
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This is just outrageous. I'm really looking forward to seeing Michael Moore's new movie. People are treated like garbage in low income areas because of health care coverage situations, poor facilities and a lack of compassion.
Woman dies in ER lobby as 911 refuses to help
Tapes show operators ignored pleas to send ambulance to L.A. hospital
LOS ANGELES - A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.
Edith Isabel Rodriguez, 43, died of a perforated bowel on May 9 at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. Her death was ruled accidental by the Los Angeles County coroner’s office.
Relatives said Rodriguez was bleeding from the mouth and writhing in pain for 45 minutes while she was at a hospital waiting area. Experts have said she could have survived had she been treated early enough.
County and state authorities are now investigating Rodriguez’s death. Relatives reported she died as police were wheeling her out of the hospital after the officers they had asked to help Rodriguez arrested her instead on a parole violation. Sheriff’s Department spokesman Duane Allen said Wednesday that the investigation is ongoing.
In the recordings of two 911 calls that day, first obtained by the Los Angeles Times under a California Public Records Act request, callers pleaded for help for Rodriguez but were referred to hospital staff instead.
“I’m in the emergency room. My wife is dying and the nurses don’t want to help her out,” Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Jose Prado, is heard saying in Spanish through an interpreter on the tapes.
“What’s wrong with her?” a female dispatcher asked.
“She’s vomiting blood,” Prado said.
“OK, and why aren’t they helping her?” the dispatcher asked.
‘They’re just watching her’
“They’re watching her there and they’re not doing anything. They’re just watching her,” Prado said.
The dispatcher told Prado to contact a doctor and then said paramedics wouldn’t pick her up because she was already in a hospital. She later told him to contact county police officers at a security desk.
A second 911 call was placed eight minutes later by a bystander who requested that an ambulance be sent to take Rodriguez to another hospital for care.
“She’s definitely sick and there’s a guy that’s ignoring her,” the woman told a male dispatcher.
During the call, the dispatcher argued with the woman over whether there really was an emergency.
“I cannot do anything for you for the quality of the hospital. ... It is not an emergency. It is not an emergency ma’am,” he said.
“You’re not here to see how they’re treating her,” the woman replied.
The dispatcher refused to call paramedics and told the woman that she should contact hospital supervisors “and let them know” if she is unhappy.
‘May God strike you too’
“May God strike you too for acting the way you just acted,” the woman said finally.
“No, negative ma’am, you’re the one,” he said.
The incident was the latest high-profile lapse at King-Harbor, formerly known as King/Drew. The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors is investigating claims of recent patient care breakdowns, including Rodriguez’s case.
Federal inspectors last week said emergency room patients were in “immediate jeopardy” of harm or death, and King-Harbor was given 23 days to shape up or risk losing federal funding.
‘Fundamentally a failure of caring’
Dr. Bruce Chernof, director of the county Department of Health Services, which oversees the facility, has called Rodriguez’s death “inexcusable” and said it was “important to understand that this was fundamentally a failure of caring.” He has said conditions are improving, though.
A call Wednesday seeking comment about the 911 tapes from the department’s communications office, which handles information about the hospital, was not immediately returned.
Dr. Roger Peeks, the chief medical officer at the hospital, was placed on “ordered absence” Monday, the Times reported. Health officials declined to elaborate, saying it was a personnel matter. Dr. Robert Splawn, chief medical officer for the health department, was named interim chief medical officer, the newspaper said.
i hear that the movie proves that if the us government would turn to communism and take everything from the people; the us would have the money for socialized healthcare.
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Peer pressure goes a long way. I'm not saying this lady died because she was hispanic. I'm saying that they didnt notice her bleeding on the floor. Them not doing shit opens up questions as to why, which include racism and prejudice.
I'm not so sure about that. King/Harbor is a shitty hospital with a history of problems. They are in an undesirable area. I'm betting this woman looked just like most of the people in the hospital emergency room. There would have been no reason to single her out to ignore her based on her race or lack of insurance. I'm thinking it was partially due to her frequency there in the few days leading up to her death. She'd been there three previous times in the days preceding the incident to get pain meds. I wouldn't be surprised if an uncaring staffer saw her come in again, rolled her eyes, and figured she could wait in line like everyone else. I read that 40% of the vocational nurses and nurses assistants couldn't even pass a basic skills test during an audit. That place has been a disaster and should have been shut down. They've been threatened with having federal funding taken away, but so far nothing has happened.
The coroner's office described Rodriguez as a transient with a history of illicit drug use. Her family said she was trying to put her life together.
In the days leading to her death, Rodriguez was treated several times for severe abdominal pain and released, the Times reported.
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I agree with you. If this were simply racism, why was anyone in that emergency room being treated? Not sure why the race card is pulled out so often here, but the problems at that hospital are many and deep.
Well that just fucking sucks. Is there a limit on the amount of times can be treated for one thing before thrown into the boy cried wolf catergory? By the way, yes, I would be skeptical if a boy told me twice that he had seen a wolf and i went up to the flock and saw nothing. But if he came back bleeding and in extreme pain, I'd probably be inclined to believe him.
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Well, then, since you brought it up, IMO, white, black, green, purple, orange or brown, speaking English, Spanish, French, or Elvish, trained professionals watching someone die on a hospital floor and refusing to intervene, pretty much IS manslaughter.
i am only questioning WHY, in this particular instance. Whereas i'll stop short, at this point from making outright accusations, i simply can't help but wonder if perhaps the underlying, subconscious, "Mexican (or Spanish speaking) hatrerd that seems to be the current, government created trend in these United States, has something to do with it.
Perhaps. As i said earlier, i am not making accusations. Just asking questions. Can't help it. I certainly hope it has nothing to do with it.
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Seems like this woman had been treated numerous times for the same thing inrecent days leading up to this and that it got to a point where the hospital staff said "enough. we're not dealing with this anymore". which, looking at the evidence, is ridiculous and on the level of manslaughter.
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Agreed. i guess i have to wonder exactly how well she had been "treated" if she was still having problems to the point of death.
No shit. I was thinking about that too.
Besides, do we know the race of the staff who are at fault?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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While I personally thought there was something else coming into play other than race, I don't think it was too crazy to bring it up. Obviously, that had nothing to do with it, seems like the staff got fed up and said "piss off". But the theories of it having to do with race are over. It had nothing to do with that. Which is good. But right now, i still think a manslaughter occured at the hospital, whether or not they are found guilty of it.
The anti-Mexican/spanish speaking sentiment in the U.S right now is such that it is not a crazy thought i had at all.
As far as the rest, i will go out on a limb and guess that the hospital staff were not "up to their eyes" dealing with other patients bleeding to death on the floor. The guy with the sliver and the woman with mild flu like symptoms can wait, even if they were in line first. Its called prioritizing.
Was this guy her husband? Or boyfriend?
Also....I'm pissed that the news has focused on the 911 operator who refused to help.
75% of the blame goes on the hospital. 25% of the blame falls on the husband/boyfriend who didn't cause enough ruckus to get a manager or hospital administrator.
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Maybe the guy said wife so he would be taken more seriously. Besides, whos to say he didnt try and stir shit up to get them to help? Sometimes there not shit you can do though.
A woman bleeding to death on the floor is not ruckus enough? The guy, really, shouldn't have to say a damn thing.
secondly, what was causing the bleeding? I didn't read anything about a gunshot or car accident, so I have to assume it's some kind of internal bleeding most likely caused by the "continued illicit drug use" referred to in the story. what, adult people don't know that heavy and continued narcotics use can cause such things? my brother-in-law was so hooked on pain pills that it caused a throat ulcer to close his throat up, allowing him only to eat liquids for many months. whose fault is that?
sorry if that sounds bad, but you people are acting like 1. this was mother teresa that died or 2. you were at the hospital. were any of you actually AT the hospital at the time? being in innercity LA, I'd imagine they were very understaffed (hell, who in there right mind would want to work there when there are openings at every hospital across the country), there were probably several very serious things already being attended to (like gunshots, knifings, rapes, or car accidents. afterall, this is LA). so what would you have liked for them to have done?
I'm not saying the hospital WASN'T responsible, I'm saying none of you can rightfully judge unless you know the facts. every hospital in this country is understaffed, so does that mean the gunshot victim already on the operating table should be allowed to die so they could help little miss drug addict parole violator?
We're acting like she was a human being who was denied treatment and then died because of it. It doesn't matter what she had did before...it's wrong to stand by and watch as someone dies. Period.
And you think we shouldn't pass judgement on a hospital that clearly didn't do it's job but you're willing to jump out on a limb and assume this woman was on drugs. Yeah, no judgement there. :rolleyes:
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Actually I'm acting like
1. This woman had blood coming from her mouth and was in pain
2. She died.
What would I have liked for them to do? Atleast check her out to see if she needs serious help. That doesn't involve pulling a doc from surgery to check on her. By the way, what if that gun shot victim was a banger? then they can walk away?
I didn't ASSUME this woman was on drugs, the info provided stated that she had a history of "continued illicit drug use". that's not "jumping out on a limb", that's called going with the information that is provided.
and again, none of you actually know the facts of what was going on at the hospital at the time. let's say this hospital had 5 doctors onsite who were tending to 5 different emergency problems. what would have liked to see happen? of course if the doctors were standing around with their thumbs up their asses, they were responsible. but if that wasn't the case, are they supposed to drop the emergency they're already handling to help this woman's emergency?
But that doesn't prove that's what was causing her illness. And even if it was, it's wrong to not treat her.
The woman that also called 911 who was there at the hospital seemed to think it was wrong too. And she knows a bit more about what was going on there at the hospital than you and your hypotheticals.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
emergency rooms are generally "first come, first served". I'm not saying that a doctor should be helping someone with a foot ache over somebody that is vomitting blood. but what if they were all tied up with other dire situations? and that is very likely the case since that's a major city with many millions of people. a doctor can't always up and leave an emergency surgery to "check on" someone in the lobby.
I'm no healthcare expert, but I believe the emergency room protacol is that if an ambulance crew is kept up to date on what ERs have immediate availabilities, right? did this woman get to the ER by ambulance or by boyfriend? it "sounds" (but alas, I don't pretend to know the facts either) like she needed to be at another hospital. and that is handled by the ambulance drivers, not the volunteer that sits at the check in counter.
how many hands does a human being have? 2? then how would it be possible for a doctor with 2 hands to help this woman when they're already helping somebody else? that's what I'm asking. you seem to be assuming the doctor is some kind of superhuman miracle worker that can just step into a lobby and heal everybody.
this 3rd party woman you speak of, why didn't she help get the woman to another hospital? if she was able to call 911 and could not get help, she was obviously able to flag down a taxi or an ambulance, no?
There's no way I would want a doc pulled out of surgery. That's completely unrealistic. It'd be nice though if when one went to the hospital with a serious injury that they could be checked on and taken are of. But like you said, a understaffed hospital can only do so much. It's pretty much a no win situation for everyfuckingbody. what a fucking nightmare.
yes, it is a nightmare. but doctors are hard to come by. there are years long waiting lists in nursing schools, etc (my wife is an RN. the school she graduated from has a waiting list until 2012). I am just not so quick to put this off on the hospital. maybe it's their faults, maybe it's not. but if a hospital is overworked and understaffed, is that the workers' fault who happen to be in the hospital at the time?
So this hosptial only had one doctor? How do you know how many doctors were available? There's always some kind of resource at a hospital that can be utilized...every patient there surely wasn't in critical condition all at the exact same time.
And the 3rd party woman, I'm sure, was in the ER for her own reasons. People just don't hang out there for the scenery.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i hear that the movie proves that if the us government would turn to communism and take everything from the people; the us would have the money for socialized healthcare.