He Would Have Advocated To Arrest Eddie Vedder and Lots Of NICE PEEPS: Barack Obama

Boston MA

Keep it the right frame of mind.
They are all dirt, except Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, etc.

Video Refutes Popular MPP Obama Video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9-Znv41SIJU

Despite what the MPP (Marijuana Policy Project) video might suggest, Barack Obama does not support marijuana decrim.

On the subject of cannabis Barack Obama is weak and most certainly does not support marijuana decrim.

Support a politician in a day and age where 75%+ of voters support medical marijuana and he says, "I won't risk any political capital for it". Support that?

That's not worthy of our support or vote.

We are the majority, we know what is right, we demand it!

Let MPP know that you are not happy with their deceptive video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA

http://mpp.org


Send a message to Barack Obama that luke warm support and worrying about political capital is unacceptable on the issues of medical marijuana and decrim.


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No Cuffs for Cannabis !

wma11

ok...AET

jimed14

should move to moving train forum ...

and while it may be the majority*, it's not a priority ... there are far worse things going on that deserve more attention than this issue.

*would like to see where you got that 75% statistic though. Seems a bit high .... no pun intended.

musicismylife78

What does this have to do with ed? Ed has never publicly supported smoking pot. I would assume he is for decriminlization. But being pro legalization doesnt mean being arrested. Obama isnt for that. I aint a fan of Obama and I sure as hell aint gonna vote for him, but not even Bush is for arresting people just based on their being pro legalization. I would guess obama is the same way

Thats not to say either of their stances on the subject are right, moral and justified. Quite the opposite.

Come Back in Black

Boston, MA wrote:

Keep it the right frame of mind.
They are all dirt, except Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, etc.

Video Refutes Popular MPP Obama Video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9-Znv41SIJU

Despite what the MPP (Marijuana Policy Project) video might suggest, Barack Obama does not support marijuana decrim.

On the subject of cannabis Barack Obama is weak and most certainly does not support marijuana decrim.

Support a politician in a day and age where 75%+ of voters support medical marijuana and he says, "I won't risk any political capital for it". Support that?

That's not worthy of our support or vote.

We are the majority, we know what is right, we demand it!

Let MPP know that you are not happy with their deceptive video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA

http://mpp.org


Send a message to Barack Obama that luke warm support and worrying about political capital is unacceptable on the issues of medical marijuana and decrim.


Music:
PROSPECT HILL "SOE"
http://myspace.com/prospecthill

No Cuffs for Cannabis !

Grow up.

aNiMaL

Yeah, you know I like to spark it up on a regular basis, but right now in the USA, we have much larger fish to fry than the marijuana laws.

Granted, I agree it should be legalized, that is just not top priority at this time.

hourglassnebula

Sorry, it's hard to think that medical marijuana and decriminalization are priorities at a time when we are in war, states are trying to pass laws making abortion illegal, the economy is slumping ... the list goes on my friend. People like you do not help things.

muppet

Yeah, fuck all of his other policies, if he doesn't like mary jane than I ain't voting for him.

Please.

Boston MA

radiohead33 wrote:

What does this have to do with ed? Ed has never publicly supported smoking pot. I would assume he is for decriminlization. But being pro legalization doesnt mean being arrested. Obama isnt for that. I aint a fan of Obama and I sure as hell aint gonna vote for him, but not even Bush is for arresting people just based on their being pro legalization. I would guess obama is the same way

Thats not to say either of their stances on the subject are right, moral and justified. Quite the opposite.

I was just noting that Obama and these pols are supporting policies that aim to arrest people for one joint, none of them support decrim, I wan't talking legalization. Eddie apparently smoked weed. So Obama supports a law that would arrest him. That's the point. Obama does not support decrim. I know, it's in the video. He has said that and reiterated it recently.

Obama is lukewarm on medical. Saying he won't risk any political capitol over it.

No political capitol for me with daily back pain for 10 years?
No political capitol for my friend Marci a grandmother with seizures and strokes? None for any of my sick friends with crohns, ms, hiv?

There is no more important issue than protecting sick people from a vicious govt. it's laws against them, laws that force them to purchase black market medicine at huge markeups to cartels that are run by the pols and govt.

For those people that say there are more important issues.

Tell that to sick people that need it. And then listen and face those people as they give their response. If you still feel that way, let me know. I can award you for being without any heart.

Boston MA

muppet wrote:

Yeah, fuck all of his other policies, if he doesn't like mary jane than I ain't voting for him.

Please.

Who said anything about voting for him? I'm not voting for him for other reasons as well. My aim is to move him and get people to make this an issue. I care not for three bought off candidates but creating some change. Like I've done and continue to do. I don't need Obama to tell me we can't do nothing when I do it myself. Get it?

But yet it is an important issue for many of us, especially those with jobs that like to smoke or those again like me with medical conditions pain and a black market system that gouges us and puts at great risk. It's very important to me and might be to you someday. I never thought I'd be here.

And it has overwhelming public support. The money is against it. The people for it. The pols get away with it if they can divide and keep the people quiet on it. They also have an opt out clause if people demand to much. So here I am demanding. Demand it loudly and make Obama make a pledge. That's the only way change happens. No other way. Gay rights, less people, more of them active, loud and demanding, they got more movement from the pols. They were loud and kept asking. It works, I know I've done it again and again, agianst corps, orgs, and pols. Try it. democracy works if you do more than just vote for a crook.

aNiMaL

Boston, MA wrote:

I was just noting that Obama and these pols are supporting policies that aim to arrest people for one joint, none of them support decrim, I wan't talking legalization. Eddie apparently smoked weed. So Obama supports a law that would arrest him. That's the point. Obama does not support decrim. I know, it's in the video. He has said that and reiterated it recently.

Obama is lukewarm on medical. Saying he won't risk any political capitol over it.

No political capitol for me with daily back pain for 10 years?
No political capitol for my friend Marci a grandmother with seizures and strokes? None for any of my sick friends with crohns, ms, hiv?

There is no more important issue than protecting sick people from a vicious govt. it's laws against them, laws that force them to purchase black market medicine at huge markeups to cartels that are run by the pols and govt.

For those people that say there are more important issues.

Tell that to sick people that need it. And then listen and face those people as they give their response. If you still feel that way, let me know. I can award you for being without any heart.

It's not about being without a heart. It is about picking your battles. Right now, there is no viable candidate (one who has even the slightest chance of winning the seat in the White House) who is pro-decriminalization. So what should we do? Vote for someone who will not win just to stand that ground, when we could make actual change by choosing the best option to make the most change in the country? Should we throw that vote away on something that no one who has a chance is supporting?

2-feign-reluctance

there is no simple answer to any of this.

aNiMaL

I believe marijuana reform laws have the best chance if changed at the local state and county levels.

The federal government will continue to shun pot laws until the majority of states have made such laws. States have to stand their ground. No presidential hopeful will ever go against the majority. And in this case it is not the majority of voters, it is the majority of states.

That is my opinion anyway.

Boston MA

hourglassnebula wrote:

Sorry, it's hard to think that medical marijuana and decriminalization are priorities at a time when we are in war, states are trying to pass laws making abortion illegal, the economy is slumping ... the list goes on my friend. People like you do not help things.

You don't help things? It's your reflection.

I've saved a local radio show promoting all local artists from a corporation that thought it could just cancel our local heritage programming. If not for my anger and will, it would be gone. That was the start. I make change. I've been involved in anti-war groups, activities. I work with working people on how to save, budget, be frugal, get out of debt, advising on getting better skills, etc. leading by my own example. My pay is good these days, yet I still buy junk box cars with cash, no loan, never live in debt again.

I'm not bragging just relating that the truth is it is important but only God (if you believe in one or think there is one) is the only worthy one to judge whose life or pursuit of justice is more important.

What are you doing to help on those more important issues?

I say marijuana reform can definitely help with the economy, jobs, and spending as well as easily alleviate sick people's pain/sickness/hardship at no cost to society. It's one of the only easy fixes! I'm a money guy, the other stuff there is no easy fix. With marijuana reform there certainly is!

Medical and decrim, pretty simple.

One of the things you did mention the economy. We have huge govt. deficits, marijuana reform is a nice tax generator it also reduces govt. cost big time, provides some jobs as well.

Boston MA

aNiMaL wrote:

I believe marijuana reform laws have the best chance if changed at the local state and county levels.

The federal government will continue to shun pot laws until the majority of states have made such laws. States have to stand their ground. No presidential hopeful will ever go against the majority. And in this case it is not the majority of voters, it is the majority of states.

That is my opinion anyway.

A President can re-schedule marijuana very easily. It really is no big thing, but the money doesn't want it. If a President can get enough public shouting about it (the majority support it-it's not hard), the money will let it pass. That is the truth. The President gets on board, more states will pass bills. It is happening you are right. It's because of work and people all over the country doing it. Many of them I know. We didn't have the majority even 10 years ago. We do now. We just got to convince them it is worth it and easily possible which it is.

HermanBloom

I am so tired of the damn potheads on here; expand your mind by reading a book.

U R A Crazy Breed

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Boston MA

aNiMaL wrote:

It's not about being without a heart. It is about picking your battles. Right now, there is no viable candidate (one who has even the slightest chance of winning the seat in the White House) who is pro-decriminalization. So what should we do? Vote for someone who will not win just to stand that ground, when we could make actual change by choosing the best option to make the most change in the country? Should we throw that vote away on something that no one who has a chance is supporting?

Voting for a candidate for President is not important! Not for me and many people. It's the least important thing I do or consider with my activism or being engaged in democracy. I live in MA, voting for Obama? He's going to win here by a landslide, no democrat ever loses here. Winner takes all by state in the electoral college.

So basically your stance is that I should sell out my cause and be quiet, go make a meaningless vote to a politician that wants to tell me I can't use marijuana for medicine when I'm going to anyways, and call it a day? Sounds like a good deal? Or just close to giving up?

Or not and be loud mobilize people, locally and nationally, create videos, makes calls to local elected reps, write letters that almost always get published in local news papers, help get a state ballot initiative for decrim on the ballot in MA, and reap the rewards?

I'll choose the latter And I'll still vote but not for Obama.

LikeAnOcean

Eddie Vedder does not support pot use.. I'm sure he used it occasionally in the past, but in an interview said he stopped completely after his daughter was born..


Besides Mike's past addictions, what makes you think any of the band members smoke pot?


Like a previous post said, read a book. I smoked pot last weekend and it's overrated. There's better ways to burn brain cells.

Should it be legal?.. Sure, but there's more important issues to worry about than getting high, like people dieing in war.

On a scale of importance, marijuana legalization ranks on the very bottom. When people are no longer dieing overseas, when our economy is out of the shitter, when world hunger is solved, then sitting around and getting high will be a somewhat relavant issue, along with what type of toilet paper is best for cleaning our asses.

U R A Crazy Breed

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Eddie Vedder does not support pot use.. I'm sure he used it occasionally in the past, but in an interview said he stopped completely after his daughter was born..


Besides Mike's past addictions, what makes you think any of the band members smoke pot?

i doubt Ed never smokes anymore.

and please don't compare Mike's heroin addiction to pot smoking,they are worlds apart.

dustinpardue

I am way more concerned with the state of the world than I am with pot. But I hear you, it shouldn't be a crime.

Boston MA

nathanastin wrote:

I am so tired of the damn potheads on here; expand your mind by reading a book.

I am so tired of intellectual snobs and people that label people they don't know things like "potheads".

I've got every day pain and take great offense to you.

Get a better job then me with a medical disability that you don't puss out and collect on and come talk to me.

LikeAnOcean

Crazy Breed wrote:

i doubt Ed never smokes anymore.

and please don't compare Mike's heroin addiction to pot smoking,they are worlds apart.

I know they are different drugs.. and why would you doubt Ed and why would you care?

Smoking pot is not something to be proud of. It's an escape. An escape from our shitty lives. I don't brag about all the alcohol I drink.. It is not an important issue.

Boston MA

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Eddie Vedder does not support pot use.. I'm sure he used it occasionally in the past, but in an interview said he stopped completely after his daughter was born..


Besides Mike's past addictions, what makes you think any of the band members smoke pot?


Like a previous post said, read a book. I smoked pot last weekend and it's overrated. There's better ways to burn brain cells.

Should it be legal?.. Sure, but there's more important issues to worry about than getting high, like people dieing in war.

On a scale of importance, marijuana legalization ranks on the very bottom.

Support pot use? That's some lazy thinking. Seriously.
I don't support pot use and I use medical marijuana!
I don't support arresting people for a joint.
I don't support penalizing people for life with an arrest record for a joint.
I don't support charging sick people black market, gouged prices for medicine they should be allowed to grow for themselves.
I don't support the criminal black market cartels that own our government and create wars who are against any sort of marijuana reform.

But those that are voting for Obama are defacto supporting just that and not pressuring him or asking him to make this simple change. Even if I did support Obama I would support asking him both privately and in public about these important issues.

Do you?

Do you care?

U R A Crazy Breed

Boston, MA wrote:

I am so tired of intellectual snobs and people that label people they don't know things like "potheads".

I've got every day pain and take great offense to you.

Get a better job then me with a medical disability that you don't puss out and collect on and come talk to me.

it's not worth your time dude/dudette,chill!

so you like Ron Paul? that means you're informed,i wish everyone in this country was smart/informed enough to vote for Ron.He'd right so many wrongs.

LikeAnOcean

Boston, MA wrote:

Support pot use? That's some lazy thinking. Seriously.
I don't support pot use and I use medical marijuana!
I don't support arresting people for a joint.
I don't support penalizing people for life with an arrest record for a joint.
I don't support charging sick people black market, gouged prices for medicine they should be allowed to grow for themselves.
I don't support the criminal black market cartels that own our government and create wars who are against any sort of marijuana reform.

But those that are voting for Obama are defacto supporting just that and not pressuring him or asking him to make this simple change. Even if I did support Obama I would support asking him both privately and in public about these important issues.

Do you?

Do you care?

Sorry, you have a point. Like I said, it's not an issue that I care about. If I could vote to make it legal I would.

I just think its funny people assume the band members smoke, or still smoke. Maybe they do, but that's an assumption.

Boston MA

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I know they are different drugs.. and why would you doubt Ed and why would you care?

Smoking pot is not something to be proud of. It's an escape. An escape from our shitty lives. I don't brag about all the alcohol I drink.. It is not an important issue.

It doesn't matter what you think about pot or alcohol or their use.
It's a question of do you support arresting people for pot marking them in many states with a criminal record for life that excludes them from many opportunities? I know because it has happened to me. It has hurt me a little. I'm lucky because I have skills, and luck. Some don't get that.
Do you support arresting sick people for their medical marijuana?
Do you support allowing sick people to grow their own pot?
These are simple issues.

I don't support booze or pot, but I will not sit back and ever say people should be arrested for it and that I as a citizen should pay to have that happen. No way I want my TAX MONEY TO ARREST SICK MEDICAL MARIJUANA USERS FOR POT.

U R A Crazy Breed

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I know they are different drugs.. and why would you doubt Ed and why would you care?

Smoking pot is not something to be proud of. It's an escape. An escape from our shitty lives. I don't brag about all the alcohol I drink.. It is not an important issue.

Ed was a "new" father,i'm sure once he became more comfy being a dad he'd blaze again.fuck if he was quitting for his kid then he should quit the cigs,them shits will kill ya!!

who's bragging?

LikeAnOcean

Boston, MA wrote:

It doesn't matter what you think about pot or alcohol or their use.
It's a question of do you support arresting people for pot marking them in many states with a criminal record for life that excludes them from many opportunities? I know because it has happened to me. It has hurt me a little. I'm lucky because I have skills, and luck. Some don't get that.
Do you support arresting sick people for their medical marijuana?
Do you support allowing sick people to grow their own pot?
These are simple issues.

I don't support booze or pot, but I will not sit back and ever say people should be arrested for it and that I as a citizen should pay to have that happen. No way I want my TAX MONEY TO ARREST SICK MEDICAL MARIJUANA USERS FOR POT.

Ok, ok, you've convinced me.. still not an important issue to me, but my main problem is the original thread starting assuming the members of Pearl Jam smoke pot. Is that just an assumption because they are in a band?

Boston MA

dustinpardue wrote:

I am way more concerned with the state of the world than I am with pot. But I hear you, it shouldn't be a crime.

That too. But at this point for me, I see more hope on getting some medicine and change to lots of people. I don't see as much that can be done on those other larger, scarier things. We really are toast. I know that. And I'm close to giving up on it. With the marijuana I see lots of hope lately. Things are happening, there has been a big change in attitude across the board on it..

Boston MA

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Ok, ok, you've convinced me.. still not an important issue to me, but my main problem is the original thread starting assuming the members of Pearl Jam smoke pot. Is that just an assumption because they are in a band?

I said "he would have" as in a past tense because I know he did smoke at one point. He admitted it and said he was quitting. I know nothing else beyond that and didn't assume anything beyond what has been stated by Ed. It's his deal. I respect his life and work, so no criticism from me, he should be able to decide. But the point was that a politician named Barack Obama wants to arrest people for pot, people like the Eddie Vedder of say 10 years ago. No way my taxes should ever go to arrest him for that! Past or present. That's all my point is.

I also know one of them was in High Times to do an interview, so I imagine when I finally get to meet any of the guys they will tell me that yes they support my cause...haha. I know it will happen some day.