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I don't have a problem with deer hunting. They are very prevalent and can make driving at night dangerous. Hunting isn't my thing, but I don't have a major problem with it as long as they eat the meat. My problem is how hunters tend to think they can do whatever they want. They park half in the road and their dogs run through people's yards. I'd like to see them a little more respectfully of others. Not to mention that some of them are careless and people get shot.

fanch75

Rushlimbo wrote:

Hunters are a special class of dumbass.

Are you a vegetarian?

tybird

ClimberInOz wrote:

Some species do really well out of disturbed/fragmented habitat. Sounds like the deer is one of those species in the US. Here in Australia we have the same problem with Kangaroos- land clearing for farming practices has increased suitable habitat for Kangaroos and resulted in a population explosion. So now we eat them!

Whilst I personally wouldn't hunt for fun, the consevationist in me only gets pissed off when the wrong species are targetted (such as threatened species etc) and it becomes an issue of sustainability. Habitat loss is a much bigger concern then hunting.

For instance, every now and then a person will ignore the warnings here in Australia and put themselves in a position to get eaten by a crocodile. And every time that happens there is the inevitable local mayor or member of parliment who declares, contrary to all environmental data, that crocodile population levels have 'exploded' and we should start shooting them. 30 years ago, when we stopped shooting them, we had reduced crocodile numbers to a couple of percent (some say less then 1%) of their natural numbers. Lack of common sense should not be reason to start hunting a species that is below their natural population levels, especially when it is a top predator.

White-tailed Deer, the only species in the Eastern United States, do quite will in fragmented habitats. They love to eat many of the decorative flora that suburbanites love to plant around their houses.

Your croc's little cousin, the American Alligator, has rebounded to the point that many states offer a hunting season on the little darlings. Yes, they are good to eat.

ClimberInOz

tybird wrote:

White-tailed Deer, the only species in the Eastern United States, do quite will in fragmented habitats. They love to eat many of the decorative flora that suburbanites love to plant around their houses.

Your croc's little cousin, the American Alligator, has rebounded to the point that many states offer a hunting season on the little darlings. Yes, they are good to eat.

We get to eat Crocodile in Oz from croc farms (interestingly... croc farms were one of the most important conservation measures for crocs). Croc meat is more of a novelty here- have to say that it doesn't do a lot for me.

Kangaroo on the other hand is sensational and far more easily available. In Australia we should be now looking to reduce our beef industry and relace it with roo farms or sustainable harvesting. Far better for the environment because they do not have hard hooves which destroy riparian (riverbank) vegetation. They also require comparitively less water then cattle. And they have less fat and taste just as good.

It will never happen though. Apart from anything else Steve Irwin was dead against it (parden the pun). He used some terrible arguments to suggest that the Australian landscape had evolved to hard hooves and cattle (I think the word he should have used is destroyed- landscape does not evolve....). Steve Irwin did wonderful things to raise awareness of conservation issues but unfortunately he seemed to lack insight occasionally.

Can you get roo meat in the US?

DOSW

I don't hate hunting as much as I hate the fact that people get so much pleasure out of it.

69charger

DOSW wrote:

I don't hate hunting as much as I hate the fact that people get so much pleasure out of it.

Have you tried it?

You will never feel so alive...

Seriously.

tybird

ClimberInOz wrote:

We get to eat Crocodile in Oz from croc farms (interestingly... croc farms were one of the most important conservation measures for crocs). Croc meat is more of a novelty here- have to say that it doesn't do a lot for me.

Kangaroo on the other hand is sensational and far more easily available. In Australia we should be now looking to reduce our beef industry and relace it with roo farms or sustainable harvesting. Far better for the environment because they do not have hard hooves which destroy riparian (riverbank) vegetation. They also require comparitively less water then cattle. And they have less fat and taste just as good.

It will never happen though. Apart from anything else Steve Irwin was dead against it (parden the pun). He used some terrible arguments to suggest that the Australian landscape had evolved to hard hooves and cattle (I think the word he should have used is destroyed- landscape does not evolve....). Steve Irwin did wonderful things to raise awareness of conservation issues but unfortunately he seemed to lack insight occasionally.

Can you get roo meat in the US?

Have not seen roo meat here in the states yet...........had a bison or American Buffalo (farm raised) burger for dinner. If we can farm raise one of our national symbols (the bison), I guess you folks could too.

DOSW

69charger wrote:

Have you tried it?

You will never feel so alive...

Seriously.

Sorry, but I'm not a caveman. I actually want to control my barbaric urges.

tybird

ClimberInOz wrote:

We get to eat Crocodile in Oz from croc farms (interestingly... croc farms were one of the most important conservation measures for crocs). Croc meat is more of a novelty here- have to say that it doesn't do a lot for me.

Kangaroo on the other hand is sensational and far more easily available. In Australia we should be now looking to reduce our beef industry and relace it with roo farms or sustainable harvesting. Far better for the environment because they do not have hard hooves which destroy riparian (riverbank) vegetation. They also require comparitively less water then cattle. And they have less fat and taste just as good.

It will never happen though. Apart from anything else Steve Irwin was dead against it (parden the pun). He used some terrible arguments to suggest that the Australian landscape had evolved to hard hooves and cattle (I think the word he should have used is destroyed- landscape does not evolve....). Steve Irwin did wonderful things to raise awareness of conservation issues but unfortunately he seemed to lack insight occasionally.

Can you get roo meat in the US?

The commercially available American alligator meat is also from alligators farms.

jeffbr

tybird wrote:

Have not seen roo meat here in the states yet...........had a bison or American Buffalo (farm raised) burger for dinner. If we can farm raise one of our national symbols (the bison), I guess you folks could too.

There is an interesting store about 20 minutes from me - http://www.exoticmeats.com

I'm eating my way through the animal kingdom. I've eaten venison, buffalo, elk, caribou, kangaroo, crocodile, rabbit, wild boar, and yak, among others. Quite a variety of meats out there.

Scubascott

ClimberInOz wrote:

Kangaroo on the other hand is sensational and far more easily available. In Australia we should be now looking to reduce our beef industry and relace it with roo farms or sustainable harvesting. Far better for the environment because they do not have hard hooves which destroy riparian (riverbank) vegetation. They also require comparitively less water then cattle. And they have less fat and taste just as good.

I'd debate the tasting good part. Give me a lamb chop or a rump steak anyday. I reckon roo meat tastes like. . . . well, dead kangaroo. That's just personal preference, but there are other problems too. Roo meat is not subject to the same quality and health standards as conventional meats. The only real requirement is that the animal is shot in head, not the body, and that the carcass is delivered to cold storage within a certain time frame (I think its 12 hours). There have been attempts to farm roos, but they've all been pretty unsuccessful as far as I'm aware. We have a very long way to go before we can develop any kind of viable roo farming industry. I think the biggest problem is handling them. Trying to yard and transport an animal that doesn't really move in mobs that way sheep and cattle do and can jump over a six foot high fence would be difficult to say the least. The only real way to get them to a meatworks is to kill them on farm, which introduces all kinds of new problems.

There are also issues with parasites. I've seen the inside of a lot of roos, and its not uncommon to find big worms that live inside the muscle tissue.

ClimberInOz

Scubascott wrote:

I'd debate the tasting good part. Give me a lamb chop or a rump steak anyday. I reckon roo meat tastes like. . . . well, dead kangaroo. That's just personal preference, but there are other problems too. Roo meat is not subject to the same quality and health standards as conventional meats. The only real requirement is that the animal is shot in head, not the body, and that the carcass is delivered to cold storage within a certain time frame (I think its 12 hours). There have been attempts to farm roos, but they've all been pretty unsuccessful as far as I'm aware. We have a very long way to go before we can develop any kind of viable roo farming industry. I think the biggest problem is handling them. Trying to yard and transport an animal that doesn't really move in mobs that way sheep and cattle do and can jump over a six foot high fence would be difficult to say the least. The only real way to get them to a meatworks is to kill them on farm, which introduces all kinds of new problems.

There are also issues with parasites. I've seen the inside of a lot of roos, and its not uncommon to find big worms that live inside the muscle tissue.

The taste is subjective I guess, and Roo is easy to stuff up. Personally I think it is pretty good.

As for the farming- you are right that it does present difficulties. I am sure a way could be found though. The parasites are not too much of an issue I think- most of the parasites in Australian land animals tend to be less of a health issue to humans then many species of fish.

I guess I just view the decreased environmental damage and decreased water useage as too good to ignore. I feel like the farming of a native animal would have to be better then the farming of introduced live stock- although there may be questions of practicality as you point out.

In the meantime the controlled harvesting in overpopulated areas seems to be working well enough to supply current demands and keep the price low.

Now if we could just convince people to let us eat those stinkin koalas....

halv

decides2dream wrote:

i personally do not care for hunting, at all. however, to label an entire group of people....even those who mount animal heads on their walls, as having 'underlying issues'...is taking it a bit far imho. one of my very first BFs came from a 'hunting family'...and i do not live in an area for hunting, nor an environment that fosters hunters. yes, they had animal heads in their home, animals they shot and killed. however, they also ate all the meat from these animals too. while i do not have specific figures, i'd hazard a guess and say that most hunters eat what they kill. sure, there may be a few who try it out for 'sport'....but i'd say most are regulars. in my own extended family, i have many cousins who are aivd hunters, and just as avid eaters of any game they kill. i honestly fail to see much difference between buying meat in the market...or going out and killing it yourself. now for one who is a vegetarian or vegan, there i can see one tsaking issue. otherwise...hey, at least hunters are willing to do the work to get their food. sure, it's a 'sport'.....but most use the animal meat as well.

Even when I ate meat I found it odd that someone could enjoy killing an animal for fun. I admit my own hypocrisy at the time as I did eat meat. I chose to be willfully ignorant to what happened to the animals that ended up on my plate as many continue to do. But to go out and kill for kicks....it's just beyond me. Heard of golf, football, baseball, hockey....even a shooting range? These seem like some pretty decent alternative "sports" and nothing has to die. Even if the hunter eats the meat, they are still enjoying the act of killing. Personally that seems odd and a little scary.

tybird

ClimberInOz wrote:

The taste is subjective I guess, and Roo is easy to stuff up. Personally I think it is pretty good.

As for the farming- you are right that it does present difficulties. I am sure a way could be found though. The parasites are not too much of an issue I think- most of the parasites in Australian land animals tend to be less of a health issue to humans then many species of fish.

I guess I just view the decreased environmental damage and decreased water useage as too good to ignore. I feel like the farming of a native animal would have to be better then the farming of introduced live stock- although there may be questions of practicality as you point out.

In the meantime the controlled harvesting in overpopulated areas seems to be working well enough to supply current demands and keep the price low.

Now if we could just convince people to let us eat those stinkin koalas....

I like the way you think in regards to non-native animals and their farming.

What does koala taste like?

69charger

DOSW wrote:

Sorry, but I'm not a caveman. I actually want to control my barbaric urges.

Too bad. A few million years of instinct is hard to beat as far as rushes go. I guess you are just more evolved than us.

miller8966

lol@ rushlimbo's obvious troll attempt.

Hunting a great sport.

DOSW

69charger wrote:

Too bad. A few million years of instinct is hard to beat as far as rushes go. I guess you are just more evolved than us.

I'd say more civilized is a better way to describe it.

A million years of instinct also encourages us to kill fellow humans, but most of us manage to suppress that urge. It's the same principle.

miller8966

DOSW wrote:

I'd say more civilized is a better way to describe it.

A million years of instinct also encourages us to kill fellow humans, but most of us manage to suppress that urge. It's the same principle.

Killing a whitetail is one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.

Collin

miller8966 wrote:

Killing a whitetail is one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.

Sound like a boring life:)

DOSW

miller8966 wrote:

Killing a whitetail is one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.

Can you even hear what you're saying? Sometimes you Moving Train conservatives just make me want to vomit.