Venezuela buying arms for terrorists

Rushlimbo

Now Rumsfeld is accusing Chavez of possibly buying arms so he can give them to terrorists. This would be laughable if it wasnt serious and part of this adminstrations' pattern of branding anyone and anything it doesnt like a "terrorism threat".


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061003/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/rumsfeld_chavez

Ahnimus

Whoa! Harsh man!

Bush can't run for a third term can he?

PaperPlates

"Other countries in the region are worried that the weapons could end up in the hands of terrorists, Rumsfeld told reporters Monday, adding, "I can understand neighbors being concerned"

From the article you sourced. But as par for the course, its only Rummy and big bad Bush you focus on. Nevermind the fact that Hugo's own neighboring countries are worried as well.


"Venezuela's recent deal to buy roughly $3 billion worth of arms from Russia — including rifles, jet fighters and helicopters — is triggering "more concern from more countries."

Yeah, why worry?

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

"Other countries in the region are worried that the weapons could end up in the hands of terrorists, Rumsfeld told reporters Monday, adding, "I can understand neighbors being concerned"

From the article you sourced. But as par for the course, its only Rummy and big bad Bush you focus on. Nevermind the fact that Hugo's own neighboring countries are worried as well.


"Venezuela's recent deal to buy roughly $3 billion worth of arms from Russia — including rifles, jet fighters and helicopters — is triggering "more concern from more countries."

Yeah, why worry?

so they're worried he's going to give jet fighters to terrorists?? if their neighbors are concerned why can't they say so? or is this like when we bribed all the oas countries to not trade w/ cuba anymore in exchange for new/increased aid?

as par for the course you left these quotes out:

Meanwhile, Craddock and other officials said Monday that they don't see a credible threat in Venezuela's call for the creation of an anti-U.S. military coalition with other leftist countries in the region. Craddock said Brazil's defense minister told the gathering he doesn't see a need for a regional military organization.

Gen. Moises Omar Hallesleven, the commander of the Nicaraguan military, told U.S. reporters he is not concerned about the Chavez effort.


so are they worried or aren't they???

catefrances

concerned neighbours my arse. rumsfeld is only concerned cause it will mean a US invasion of venezuela will be that more difficult if caracas actually has a way to defend itself. obviously washington thinks that after the mountain of lies they've already told, we'll believe anything. either that or they truly believe everything they say is the truth. idiots.

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

so they're worried he's going to give jet fighters to terrorists?? if their neighbors are concerned why can't they say so? or is this like when we bribed all the oas countries to not trade w/ cuba anymore in exchange for new/increased aid?

as par for the course you left these quotes out:

Meanwhile, Craddock and other officials said Monday that they don't see a credible threat in Venezuela's call for the creation of an anti-U.S. military coalition with other leftist countries in the region. Craddock said Brazil's defense minister told the gathering he doesn't see a need for a regional military organization.

Gen. Moises Omar Hallesleven, the commander of the Nicaraguan military, told U.S. reporters he is not concerned about the Chavez effort.


so are they worried or aren't they???

Last time we took an enemy lightly, they knocked down two big tall buildings of ours. Noone took lil osama and his crazy rantings seriously during the clinton era, nor during the first few months of the Bush Jr. era. Look how that turned out. So, I'm figuring, IF they're worried, they arent going to want to make too big a deal, so as to avoid undue panic/paranoia amongst the public. And a Nicaraguan military official saying he's not concerned about Chavez is more of a "machismo" slap in the face to Chavez, and chest thumping. As par for the course, you fail to see the big picture. I'd rather they "worry unecessarily" about a fat little Venezuelan than not worry at all, and wish they had.

jlew24asu

PaperPlates wrote:

Last time we took an enemy lightly, they knocked down two big tall buildings of ours. Noone took lil osama and his crazy rantings seriously during the clinton era, nor during the first few months of the Bush Jr. era. Look how that turned out. So, I'm figuring, IF they're worried, they arent going to want to make too big a deal, so as to avoid undue panic/paranoia amongst the public. And a Nicaraguan military official saying he's not concerned about Chavez is more of a "machismo" slap in the face to Chavez, and chest thumping. As par for the course, you fail to see the big picture. I'd rather they "worry unecessarily" about a fat little Venezuelan than not worry at all, and wish they had.

they wont be buying your argument seeing how they believe it was Bush and Co. who brought down our buildings. osama said he didnt do it and wouldnt dare tell a lie. didnt you know that?

SundaySilence

PaperPlates wrote:

Last time we took an enemy lightly, they knocked down two big tall buildings of ours. Noone took lil osama and his crazy rantings seriously during the clinton era, nor during the first few months of the Bush Jr. era. Look how that turned out. So, I'm figuring, IF they're worried, they arent going to want to make too big a deal, so as to avoid undue panic/paranoia amongst the public. And a Nicaraguan military official saying he's not concerned about Chavez is more of a "machismo" slap in the face to Chavez, and chest thumping. As par for the course, you fail to see the big picture. I'd rather they "worry unecessarily" about a fat little Venezuelan than not worry at all, and wish they had.

Is Chavez unnecessarily worried?

TheVoiceInside

SundaySilence wrote:

Is Chavez unnecessarily worried?

I think he is being paranoid, and with good reason. If there is one thing noecons hate is socialist goverments with lots of oil.

hippiemom

TheVoiceInside wrote:

I think he is being paranoid, and with good reason. If there is one thing noecons hate is socialist goverments with lots of oil.

It's not paranoia if there's a reason.

jeffbr

hippiemom wrote:

It's not paranoia if there's a reason.

LOL, I was just going to post that.

"Paranoid with good reason" was either sarcasm, or an oxymoron.

old and in the way

Isn't it funny how many wack job, socialist, third world, looser leaders come out of the woodwork when there is $70 a barrel oil.

jlew24asu

old and in the way wrote:

Isn't it funny how many wack job, socialist, third world, looser leaders come out of the woodwork when there is $70 a barrel oil.

thankfully its down to 60.

TheVoiceInside

jeffbr wrote:

LOL, I was just going to post that.

"Paranoid with good reason" was either sarcasm, or an oxymoron.

yes it was sarcasm. dam these message boards!

TheVoiceInside

old and in the way wrote:

Isn't it funny how many wack job, socialist, third world, looser leaders come out of the woodwork when there is $70 a barrel oil.

Thank you for not being condicending.

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

Last time we took an enemy lightly, they knocked down two big tall buildings of ours. Noone took lil osama and his crazy rantings seriously during the clinton era, nor during the first few months of the Bush Jr. era. Look how that turned out. So, I'm figuring, IF they're worried, they arent going to want to make too big a deal, so as to avoid undue panic/paranoia amongst the public. And a Nicaraguan military official saying he's not concerned about Chavez is more of a "machismo" slap in the face to Chavez, and chest thumping. As par for the course, you fail to see the big picture. I'd rather they "worry unecessarily" about a fat little Venezuelan than not worry at all, and wish they had.

sounds like paranoia to me.

was it the us or chavez who broke the icbm treaty and nuclear non-proliferation treaty? is it chavez or the us that supplies more than 50% of the arms to the 3rd world? is it chavez or the us who have actually carried out several coups of democratically elected leaders?

so again, you are worried chavez will sell a terrorist a jet fighter?

Rushlimbo

PaperPlates wrote:

"Other countries in the region are worried that the weapons could end up in the hands of terrorists, Rumsfeld told reporters Monday, adding, "I can understand neighbors being concerned"

From the article you sourced. But as par for the course, its only Rummy and big bad Bush you focus on. Nevermind the fact that Hugo's own neighboring countries are worried as well.


"Venezuela's recent deal to buy roughly $3 billion worth of arms from Russia — including rifles, jet fighters and helicopters — is triggering "more concern from more countries."

Yeah, why worry?

Nowhere in the article does it quote another country actually saying they are concerned, just RUMSFELD saying there are such concerned nations. Par for the course, you still believe the filth coming out of Rummy's mouth.

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

sounds like paranoia to me.

was it the us or chavez who broke the icbm treaty and nuclear non-proliferation treaty? is it chavez or the us that supplies more than 50% of the arms to the 3rd world? is it chavez or the us who have actually carried out several coups of democratically elected leaders?

so again, you are worried chavez will sell a terrorist a jet fighter?

No, im not worried at all. Because I know our leaders arent taking ANY threats lightly anymore. Let him yap his yap, let him brag, in the end, if his own people won't set him straight, we will. So no, im not worried one bit. Much like you guys love giving the http://www.goarmy.com link, may I suggest you all just go there and support him directly? There doesn't seem to be much left of america that you like.

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

they wont be buying your argument seeing how they believe it was Bush and Co. who brought down our buildings. osama said he didnt do it and wouldnt dare tell a lie. didnt you know that?

can you cite a single post here that has said anything close to that?

that being said jlew24asu raped my dog and cats. there, i need no proof, i'm just like he government, i can blame anyone i want and never have to worry about backing it up.

no one is saying usama is a great guy or someone we trust to never tell a lie. this administration, however seems addicted to lying. so there is nothing wrong w/ asking for proof from the mouth of a liar. what proof is there? i don't understand why he'd lie in person than make some confession tape where he's heavier than he has ever been, is writing w/ his wrong hand and wearing gold which is forbidden and you'd think he would follow the rules being surrounded by a bunch of religious fundies. that's like jerry falwell wearing an ac/dc or led zeppelin shirt around

PaperPlates

Rushlimbo wrote:

Nowhere in the article does it quote another country actually saying they are concerned, just RUMSFELD saying there are such concerned nations. Par for the course, you still believe the filth coming out of Rummy's mouth.

I think your broken record just skipped.

El_Kabong

Rushlimbo wrote:

Nowhere in the article does it quote another country actually saying they are concerned, just RUMSFELD saying there are such concerned nations. Par for the course, you still believe the filth coming out of Rummy's mouth.

in fact it says the exact opposite...that they are NOT concerned!

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

can you cite a single post here that has said anything close to that?

that being said jlew24asu raped my dog and cats. there, i need no proof, i'm just like he government, i can blame anyone i want and never have to worry about backing it up.

no one is saying usama is a great guy or someone we trust to never tell a lie. this administration, however seems addicted to lying. so there is nothing wrong w/ asking for proof from the mouth of a liar. what proof is there? i don't understand why he'd lie in person than make some confession tape where he's heavier than he has ever been, is writing w/ his wrong hand and wearing gold which is forbidden and you'd think he would follow the rules being surrounded by a bunch of religious fundies. that's like jerry falwell wearing an ac/dc or led zeppelin shirt around

\Or like uber faithful jihad loving terrorists partying it up at the strip club the night before martyrdom. Oh wait, that is what they do. Lots of talk of faith, all I see is murdering cowards. If you dislike people accusing you of loving chavez, osama, fidel and all the other pieces of shit out there, then stop buying into their rhetoric, and stop showing so much love for them.

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

I think your broken record just skipped.

what, in your eyes, makes him a threat to us?

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

\Or like uber faithful jihad loving terrorists partying it up at the strip club the night before martyrdom. Oh wait, that is what they do. Lots of talk of faith, all I see is murdering cowards. If you dislike people accusing you of loving chavez, osama, fidel and all the other pieces of shit out there, then stop buying into their rhetoric, and stop showing so much love for them.

when did i show love for them???? are you going to 'stop showing so much love' for the pieces of shit in this administration?

your first reply said
"as par for the course, its only Rummy and big bad Bush you focus on. Nevermind the fact that Hugo's own neighboring countries are worried as well. "

then it was pointed out that those very neighboring countries said they are NOT worried...so instead of even admitting that you say they are trying to sound tough...then how do you know they are worried!?!?! the only thing you have to point to that is rummy's words!

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

what, in your eyes, makes him a threat to us?

Rushlimbo? nothing. He's just talk.


But Chavez? He's not a threat. Any more than the liberals of THIS country are.

And to your below post, I dont have "love for bush, cheney and rummy." I just know that all the worlds problems aren't THEIR fault, and I like to believe they have our nations best interests at heart. THey ALL were already rich as rich can be. And powerful. I see no motive to "ruin the country" as some are so eager to accuse them of. Every President has had his obstacles, his high points, and his failures. Im sorry that Clinton was so easily made fun of, and sooooooooooooooo imperfect. Im sorry you had to sit through all the ricidule. And I even understand your bitter need for payback. It just gets old. You want proof of EVERY thing they tell us. First off, they arent obliged to prove jack shit to you, me or anyone else. I dont recall any president explaining his choices he made to Joe Public. And this demand of proof comes from a guy who has so many cockamamie conspiracy theory's running through his brain totally devoid of any proof, yet you treat them like gospel. You really are like a cartoon character. I enjoy reading your posts, and thank god every day that there are far more people out there like me, than you. Have a nice day.

Rushlimbo

PaperPlates wrote:

Rushlimbo? nothing. He's just talk.


But Chavez? He's not a threat. Any more than the liberals of THIS country are.

Last time we took an enemy lightly, they knocked down two big tall buildings of ours. Noone took lil osama and his crazy rantings seriously during the clinton era, nor during the first few months of the Bush Jr. era. Look how that turned out. So, I'm figuring, IF they're worried, they arent going to want to make too big a deal, so as to avoid undue panic/paranoia amongst the public. And a Nicaraguan military official saying he's not concerned about Chavez is more of a "machismo" slap in the face to Chavez, and chest thumping. As par for the course, you fail to see the big picture. I'd rather they "worry unecessarily" about a fat little Venezuelan than not worry at all, and wish they had.

Please try to keep your argument straight. Thanks.

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

Rushlimbo? nothing. He's just talk.


But Chavez? He's not a threat. Any more than the liberals of THIS country are.

And to your below post, I dont have "love for bush, cheney and rummy." I just know that all the worlds problems aren't THEIR fault, and I like to believe they have our nations best interests at heart. THey ALL were already rich as rich can be. And powerful. I see no motive to "ruin the country" as some are so eager to accuse them of. Every President has had his obstacles, his high points, and his failures. Im sorry that Clinton was so easily made fun of, and sooooooooooooooo imperfect. Im sorry you had to sit through all the ricidule. And I even understand your bitter need for payback. It just gets old. You want proof of EVERY thing they tell us. First off, they arent obliged to prove jack shit to you, me or anyone else. I dont recall any president explaining his choices he made to Joe Public. And this demand of proof comes from a guy who has so many cockamamie conspiracy theory's running through his brain totally devoid of any proof, yet you treat them like gospel. You really are like a cartoon character. I enjoy reading your posts, and thank god every day that there are far more people out there like me, than you. Have a nice day.

what payback? i voted against clinton. so in other words you have no proof usama did it, you are just taking their word for it? it's sad you think our government doesn't owe us any explanations or proof to back up what they say. i can see you in your nice jack boots marching in lockstep following orders. even sadder you see questioning things so negatively

did cheney have our best interests at heart when he was doing business w/ 2/3 of the axis of evil and syria as well as other enemies? did he have our best interest at heart when clinton fined him for illegally doing business w/ saddam?

macgyver06

wonder if Rumsfeld knows where alot of the money and weapons is coming from in the middle east...blowing our troops up?

macgyver06

whats the best way to make firepower dissapear?? oh ya...use it!

Rushlimbo

El_Kabong wrote:

what payback? i voted against clinton. so in other words you have no proof usama did it, you are just taking their word for it? it's sad you think our government doesn't owe us any explanations or proof to back up what they say. i can see you in your nice jack boots marching in lockstep following orders. even sadder you see questioning things so negatively

did cheney have our best interests at heart when he was doing business w/ 2/3 of the axis of evil and syria as well as other enemies? did he have our best interest at heart when clinton fined him for illegally doing business w/ saddam?

Dont throw facts at PP. He likes unsubstantiated rhetoric and pundit talking points. I cannot believe someone still believes Rumsfeld's words. Just sad. It does explain the state of this nation. He will fit in with the snitch squad under a dictatorship.

El_Kabong

Rushlimbo wrote:

Dont throw facts at PP. He likes unsubstantiated rhetoric and pundit talking points. I cannot believe someone still believes Rumsfeld's words. Just sad. It does explain the state of this nation. He will fit in with the snitch squad under a dictatorship.

tell me about it, he talks about me having all these cockamanie ideas devoid of any proof...yet he swears by things just b/c rummy or this administration say so! talk about irony. it's kinda like those religious nuts who can only answer 'it says it in the bible!' 'the administration said it, so it's just gotta be true!' lol

just dont say 'meathead' or he may cry again