Marine: Beating of Iraqis became routine

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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Keep in mind.. the American people as a group (voters) don't really analyze was they are told. Bush spews out his rhetoric in order to push his agenda.

    The Marines on the other hand, have to made day to day decisions on the ground with people shooting and dying all around them

    Bush and Cheney have called virtually hundreds of different groups the enemy

    that bullshit has to be translated into an actual plan on the ground.

    We have no leadership at the top - just politicians.

    So the translation is very very ugly
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    IrwinFletcher80 wrote:
    I have to go with DC there. You can be a Pearl Jam fan and not agree with their politics. I would doubt that the band would want everybody to just mindlessly agree with their opinions. I happen to agree with them about 70% of the time, but even if I didn't I could still enjoy their music.

    As far as this topic goes, I find it not to be as black and white as some people are making it out to be, but I find this particular act to be pretty disgusting. But given the small amount of information provided I don't think anybody can make a valid judgement on their actions. Especially since we are just sitting here at home all confy, and they are over there going through hell, and as the story said possibly suffering from some traumatic stress. But I don't think I'll be winning any kind of humanitarian award when I state that I am against the killing of innocent people, that goes without saying.


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  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    All of you judging these Marines first should walk a mile in thier shoes. I served in Iraq but was not in any of the "action". I would not want to have to deal with the day to day stress these people deal with on top of that being away from there family and doing this over and over agian. After a while I believe even the toughest of you would snap as well. I am not condoning these actions but in a way I understand them.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    All of you judging these Marines first should walk a mile in thier shoes. I served in Iraq but was not in any of the "action". I would not want to have to deal with the day to day stress these people deal with on top of that being away from there family and doing this over and over agian. After a while I believe even the toughest of you would snap as well. I am not condoning these actions but in a way I understand them.
    ...
    That's what i say.
    I understand why someone would act this way... Hell, i can almost guarantee you that I would be lighting up the place if I was stuck in that bullshit (which is why I would make a horrible soldier).
    Do I condone it? no. Which is to admit that I would be wrong in taking out my frustration and anger on their people... to the soldier, we are there to help them... and they blow us up... I understand that and it must drive you nutz.
    But, in the bigger picture... if we want to be the Good Guys... the Liberators not Occupiers... we HAVE to sit there and take it. The military is in a tough... TOUGH situation where the very worst option to take... is better than all of the other options. It is ugly over there and it'll continue to be ugly. We cannot judge what goes on over there, from the comfort of our fat, couch sitting asses. They are there because we put them there. We need to assume part of the blame.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    All of you judging these Marines first should walk a mile in thier shoes. I served in Iraq but was not in any of the "action". I would not want to have to deal with the day to day stress these people deal with on top of that being away from there family and doing this over and over agian. After a while I believe even the toughest of you would snap as well. I am not condoning these actions but in a way I understand them.

    True. During the investigations into the My lai massacre it was only the troops on the ground who were held accountable. Whereas it should be those at the top pulling the strings and beating the war drums who are made to stand trial.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    FredFlintstone wrote:
    You're right - rules of engagement is bullshit.


    glad you agree :) most sane people do too!
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
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    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    glad you agree :) most sane people do too!

    spoken like a true warrior sitting at his computer :rolleyes:
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    my2hands wrote:
    spoken like a true warrior sitting at his computer :rolleyes:

    that was clever....i doubt you understand what i'm saying....

    what i'm saying is that if you send people to war, let them fight, don't let politicians fight the war for them. the rules of engagement in iraq are assinine...period.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Bu2 wrote:
    is why a great number of us are questioning this war.

    Love it, or leave it.

    People are still at the questioning stage? For me that was before the war even started. at this point a great number of us should be ready to burn the white house down. if you are still questioning the war now, what have you been doing for the past 3yrs? or however old the war is now.
  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    that was clever....i doubt you understand what i'm saying....

    what i'm saying is that if you send people to war, let them fight, don't let politicians fight the war for them. the rules of engagement in iraq are assinine...period.

    I don't think you understand. If you believe in this war GO FIGHT IT! They need boots on the ground. Very funny(sad) clip about chickenhawks on Onegoodmove.org. Very hoorah for war but unfortunately they have asthma or are going to school or have better things to do. I'm sure you have an excuse.

    Good point with the "send people to war, let them fight" bit. You need the entire country to get behind that logic for it to work. Fortunately we still have, in this country, voices of reason who recognize this war in Iraq is complete bullshit.
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  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Which is exactly why war doesn't work.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

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  • gue_barium
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    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Good Lord man, what are you talking about???

    Liking Pearl Jam means you have to hate Bush or be a fucking Democrat????

    This is not a very bright outlook to have, considering I've been a Pearl Jam fan since they broke out.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    The republican mindset right now is essentially a self defeating led by the nose cult.

    Keep giving up your rights...really...it's a GOOD thing...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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