PETA has a lot more clout than people think. This is the best news the Falcons could have gotten was to let Goodell do the dirty work for them. This lets the Falcons off the hook having to pay Vick 6 million dollars to stay away which could have been viewed as the team basically paying for Vick's legal defense.
They have to pay him until the league makes a decision or they cut him. Atlanta is not going to cut him until he is in prison or banned/under long-term suspension by the league. The NFL is a cut-throat business....somebody else would sign him unless the league said he was out.
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They have to pay him until the league makes a decision or they cut him. Atlanta is not going to cut him until he is in prison or banned/under long-term suspension by the league. The NFL is a cut-throat business....somebody else would sign him unless the league said he was out.
The easiest solution is also the most expensive. A post-June 1 release of Vick would trigger a cap charge of $7.57 million in 2007 and $14.68 million in 2008. But by avoiding Vick's base salary of $6 million in 2007, the net effect of dumping him would be an extra cap hit of $1.57 million this year. Likewise, because the team wouldn't be on the hook for his $7.5 million base salary to be paid in 2008, the net difference is $7.18 million. Basically the Falcons are screwed in any scenario.
I really don't think other teams would be lining up for Vick's services. The Falcons made the mistake in investing so much money into this guy. I know that they don't have a crystal ball that they can see into the future but he isn't even a good quarterback, and they gave him a ridiculous contract.
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The easiest solution is also the most expensive. A post-June 1 release of Vick would trigger a cap charge of $7.57 million in 2007 and $14.68 million in 2008. But by avoiding Vick's base salary of $6 million in 2007, the net effect of dumping him would be an extra cap hit of $1.57 million this year. Likewise, because the team wouldn't be on the hook for his $7.5 million base salary to be paid in 2008, the net difference is $7.18 million. Basically the Falcons are screwed in any scenario.
I really don't think other teams would be lining up for Vick's services. The Falcons made the mistake in investing so much money into this guy. I know that they don't have a crystal ball that they can see into the future but he isn't even a good quarterback, and they gave him a ridiculous contract.
I respectfully disagree talentwise. The guy is an unbelievable talent with a 10 cent head aparently. I don't know him personally but everyone here who does know him says he is a very kind and generally nice guy which makes me believe if the charges are true he's either a sociopath or has had a very misguided upbringing some combination of both, or that he actually is telling the truth and his pathitic miserable excuse for family members are severely taking advantage of his generosity, after all it was Davon Bodie getting busted for dealing drugs that started this whole thing anyway.
The Falcons absolutely did the right thing for thier franchise in giving him the huge contract. Think about it. Do you know Chris Chandler? Steve Bartkowski? Billy Joe Tolliver? Nope. Forget national TV, the falcons never sold out home games so we never saw but 8 games a year on TV to begin with. Michael Vick single handedly gave a historically miserable pathetic team a chance. Now the OL still sucked, the receivers got worse, Arthur Blank was wooed by one of the worst possible head coaching canidates possibly in the last 25 years in Jim Mora. Who brought in the wrong DC, the absolutely opposite horrific passing scheme for Vick's talents and Alex Gibbs cut blocking philosophy for the OL and his penchant for signing pathetic low round draft picks that are undersized. (less than 300 lbs who wear out over the course of the game and season) Add all that to Jim Mora's buddy buddy type demeanor and complete bald faced lying to the media about what Mike was actually doing (they only last season employed an actual QB coach and not some guy who played video games with Mike, how the hell would he improve?)
Basically the Falcons have like most of the Atlanta teams I support self destructed. It's not all Mikes fault, because honestly even though the has tremendous prodigeous talent and is the best QB in the history of this franchise in regards to talent (apologies to Bartkowski and Chandler) His country upbringing, lack of a father figure to kick his ass when he did wrong, and lack of media social skills, and general desire to help his loser friends who he can't seem to shake have been his undoing, not to mention all the help Jim Mora and his staff did, and Rich Mckay's awful first round picks and Arthur Blanks inability to really know what to do with Mike.
People often say he's a bad QB. I completely disagree. If he had the right leadership like he did under Dan Reeves and the right offense (vertical spread) and even remotely competant WR's he'd be an All Pro every season even with his inaccuracy on short routes no one ever notes that he throws a great deep ball but then when in the last 3 years have you seen that under Greg Knapp?
I'm not making excuses for the guy, he's just better than most people think, the numbers show improvement and he was better in the pocket last year than he's ever been. When he was accurate and had touch Mckay's pathetic excuse for first round WR's dropped TD after TD (at least 6 easy drops) The guy can play and he's an amazing talent, he's the only reason the Ga Dome was full and it won't be this year, I'll be shocked if Harrington wins more than 4 games and the dome will be empty regardless. It's a bandwagon college football town with I'd wager fewer than 40K diehard fans of the Falcons in an 85K stadium.
That's why they gave him the contract. Unfortunately people don't seem to care about your flaws (Arod) until you get a tremendous contract but Vick is the only reason anyone nationally ever decided to air my football team on television or give them 3 bars worth of reference on sportscenter. I am disapointed greatly in his miserable actions should the charges be true.
Anyway thanks for posting the cap information, many of the people who get paid a ton of money to report on this matter seem to have no clue how the cap works. Yes the Falcons are indeed screwed and will be for a great while and they have to hope a guilty verdict would void the contract or his name be cleared and he would be able to be traded after next season when the cap hit is not so terrible.
Blank took a gamble on Mora and Vick and lost the farm on Both. While I applaud his vigor I think it's going to take him a lot longer to accomplish bringing a winner to Atlanta and ever selling out the dome again frankly. He might need a new stadium, north of town. I love what they did with Petrino, I love that they got a ton of value for Schaub but I think they are going to be the sad sack team of the entire league for at least the next two years.
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Two things: 1. Will Vick be in the fantasy Yahoo pool? 2. He can't hit a guy ten yards down the field. Now as a running back he is good.
Yes I'd imagine he'd be in the pool, but one would be stupid to draft him. He likely won't play again....ever.
The majority of that is the offensive scheme. None of the previous WR's on this team learned how to shake blocks or run routes. In a team with a porous OL how the hell is a timing offense going to work with WR's who even when the ball is there can't catch? It's not an excuse for Vick being ineffective, but why would you install an offense created for pussy armed QB's like Jeff Garcia when you have a guy that can throw it 65 and has never had anyone coach him up at QB until last season when amazingly his footwork got a lot calmer in the pocket? If you look at the macro decisions by the falcons including the 130 million dollar deal and it's structure (even though lets be fair, they had no one else to hitch a wagon too they suck as an orginization and Vick was it), Mckay completely blew it on several big free agent signings who were worthless (see MLB) and released solid players like Chris Draft. Oh and if that wasn't bad enough, he still can't find even a fucking Kicker!!
That's not completely on Vick, that' s on the front office, but Rich Mckay is such a nice guy, the media guys choose not to blast him on his tremendous failure along with that of Jim Mora and for all his trying Blank has yet to get it right though I know he will eventually produce a quality product. Dan Reeves told Blank when he was fired he was going to set Vick back.... well had he hired Lovie Smith like Mckay wanted they might be better, unfortunately he fell for that schister Jim Mora's sales pitch and got pretty much the worst HC in the last 30 years. Jim Mora is probably a good father, that's great, but he needs to quit football because he fucking sucks at it.
Yes Mike Vick has been ineffective and not as good as he should be, but I think too much focus is on his play, and not the really poor front office decisions, awful schemes, terrible not even AFL worthy Wide outs, pathetic defense, lack of depth, lack of effective coaching, a defense that gave up unreal amounts of yardage under Ed Donatell (Zonatell) (remember 4 and 27? Packers fans do) etc. etc. etc. Vick has been coddled far far too much in his life and really really needs a father figure to kick his ass when he shows it. Unfortunately he'll likely be calling his miserable "father" roommate, unless his lawyer can come through yet again. For his sake. I really hope he's innocent.
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The easiest solution is also the most expensive. A post-June 1 release of Vick would trigger a cap charge of $7.57 million in 2007 and $14.68 million in 2008. But by avoiding Vick's base salary of $6 million in 2007, the net effect of dumping him would be an extra cap hit of $1.57 million this year. Likewise, because the team wouldn't be on the hook for his $7.5 million base salary to be paid in 2008, the net difference is $7.18 million. Basically the Falcons are screwed in any scenario.
I really don't think other teams would be lining up for Vick's services. The Falcons made the mistake in investing so much money into this guy. I know that they don't have a crystal ball that they can see into the future but he isn't even a good quarterback, and they gave him a ridiculous contract.
I respectfully disagree talentwise. The guy is an unbelievable talent with a 10 cent head aparently. I don't know him personally but everyone here who does know him says he is a very kind and generally nice guy which makes me believe if the charges are true he's either a sociopath or has had a very misguided upbringing some combination of both, or that he actually is telling the truth and his pathitic miserable excuse for family members are severely taking advantage of his generosity, after all it was Davon Bodie getting busted for dealing drugs that started this whole thing anyway.
The Falcons absolutely did the right thing for thier franchise in giving him the huge contract. Think about it. Do you know Chris Chandler? Steve Bartkowski? Billy Joe Tolliver? Nope. Forget national TV, the falcons never sold out home games so we never saw but 8 games a year on TV to begin with. Michael Vick single handedly gave a historically miserable pathetic team a chance. Now the OL still sucked, the receivers got worse, Arthur Blank was wooed by one of the worst possible head coaching canidates possibly in the last 25 years in Jim Mora. Who brought in the wrong DC, the absolutely opposite horrific passing scheme for Vick's talents and Alex Gibbs cut blocking philosophy for the OL and his penchant for signing pathetic low round draft picks that are undersized. (less than 300 lbs who wear out over the course of the game and season) Add all that to Jim Mora's buddy buddy type demeanor and complete bald faced lying to the media about what Mike was actually doing (they only last season employed an actual QB coach and not some guy who played video games with Mike, how the hell would he improve?)
Basically the Falcons have like most of the Atlanta teams I support self destructed. It's not all Mikes fault, because honestly even though the has tremendous prodigeous talent and is the best QB in the history of this franchise in regards to talent (apologies to Bartkowski and Chandler) His country upbringing, lack of a father figure to kick his ass when he did wrong, and lack of media social skills, and general desire to help his loser friends who he can't seem to shake have been his undoing, not to mention all the help Jim Mora and his staff did, and Rich Mckay's awful first round picks and Arthur Blanks inability to really know what to do with Mike.
People often say he's a bad QB. I completely disagree. If he had the right leadership like he did under Dan Reeves and the right offense (vertical spread) and even remotely competant WR's he'd be an All Pro every season even with his inaccuracy on short routes no one ever notes that he throws a great deep ball but then when in the last 3 years have you seen that under Greg Knapp?
I'm not making excuses for the guy, he's just better than most people think, the numbers show improvement and he was better in the pocket last year than he's ever been. When he was accurate and had touch Mckay's pathetic excuse for first round WR's dropped TD after TD (at least 6 easy drops) The guy can play and he's an amazing talent, he's the only reason the Ga Dome was full and it won't be this year, I'll be shocked if Harrington wins more than 4 games and the dome will be empty regardless. It's a bandwagon college football town with I'd wager fewer than 40K diehard fans of the Falcons in an 85K stadium.
That's why they gave him the contract. Unfortunately people don't seem to care about your flaws (Arod) until you get a tremendous contract but Vick is the only reason anyone nationally ever decided to air my football team on television or give them 3 bars worth of reference on sportscenter. I am disapointed greatly in his miserable actions should the charges be true.
Anyway thanks for posting the cap information, many of the people who get paid a ton of money to report on this matter seem to have no clue how the cap works. Yes the Falcons are indeed screwed and will be for a great while and they have to hope a guilty verdict would void the contract or his name be cleared and he would be able to be traded after next season when the cap hit is not so terrible.
Blank took a gamble on Mora and Vick and lost the farm on Both. While I applaud his vigor I think it's going to take him a lot longer to accomplish bringing a winner to Atlanta and ever selling out the dome again frankly. He might need a new stadium, north of town. I love what they did with Petrino, I love that they got a ton of value for Schaub but I think they are going to be the sad sack team of the entire league for at least the next two years.
Two things: 1. Will Vick be in the fantasy Yahoo pool? 2. He can't hit a guy ten yards down the field. Now as a running back he is good.
after being found guilty, i would like to shove a cow prod up his ass
Yes I'd imagine he'd be in the pool, but one would be stupid to draft him. He likely won't play again....ever.
The majority of that is the offensive scheme. None of the previous WR's on this team learned how to shake blocks or run routes. In a team with a porous OL how the hell is a timing offense going to work with WR's who even when the ball is there can't catch? It's not an excuse for Vick being ineffective, but why would you install an offense created for pussy armed QB's like Jeff Garcia when you have a guy that can throw it 65 and has never had anyone coach him up at QB until last season when amazingly his footwork got a lot calmer in the pocket? If you look at the macro decisions by the falcons including the 130 million dollar deal and it's structure (even though lets be fair, they had no one else to hitch a wagon too they suck as an orginization and Vick was it), Mckay completely blew it on several big free agent signings who were worthless (see MLB) and released solid players like Chris Draft. Oh and if that wasn't bad enough, he still can't find even a fucking Kicker!!
That's not completely on Vick, that' s on the front office, but Rich Mckay is such a nice guy, the media guys choose not to blast him on his tremendous failure along with that of Jim Mora and for all his trying Blank has yet to get it right though I know he will eventually produce a quality product. Dan Reeves told Blank when he was fired he was going to set Vick back.... well had he hired Lovie Smith like Mckay wanted they might be better, unfortunately he fell for that schister Jim Mora's sales pitch and got pretty much the worst HC in the last 30 years. Jim Mora is probably a good father, that's great, but he needs to quit football because he fucking sucks at it.
Yes Mike Vick has been ineffective and not as good as he should be, but I think too much focus is on his play, and not the really poor front office decisions, awful schemes, terrible not even AFL worthy Wide outs, pathetic defense, lack of depth, lack of effective coaching, a defense that gave up unreal amounts of yardage under Ed Donatell (Zonatell) (remember 4 and 27? Packers fans do) etc. etc. etc. Vick has been coddled far far too much in his life and really really needs a father figure to kick his ass when he shows it. Unfortunately he'll likely be calling his miserable "father" roommate, unless his lawyer can come through yet again. For his sake. I really hope he's innocent.