If You Are "Undecided"...

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edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
How exactly is that possible? Do you have views on the environment? On abortion? On government regulation? On church and state? On education? Is it because you only care about one or two select issues and not others? I'm honestly trying to understand.

I am not understanding how there are so many people who claim to be undecided. Are they all just pulling our legs?
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    How exactly is that possible? Do you have views on the environment? On abortion? On government regulation? On church and state? On education? Is it because you only care about one or two select issues and not others? I'm honestly trying to understand.

    I am not understanding how there are so many people who claim to be undecided. Are they all just pulling our legs?

    some people just don't have the time to follow all of this like most of the people in this forum do.

    Many people wait for the debates to make up their mind.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    your undecided voter is probably a republican or independent voter ...

    the republican voter who cannot stand the last 8 years and feels they need to punish the party for their agenda ... then you have the independent voter who would vote 3rd party but maybe feels they can't afford to have another republican administration and is considering to vote democrat ...

    i think democrats are strong on obama for the most part this time around ... 8 years of bush would do that i think ...
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    polaris wrote:
    your undecided voter is probably a republican or independent voter ...

    the republican voter who cannot stand the last 8 years and feels they need to punish the party for their agenda ... then you have the independent voter who would vote 3rd party but maybe feels they can't afford to have another republican administration and is considering to vote democrat ...

    i think democrats are strong on obama for the most part this time around ... 8 years of bush would do that i think ...


    This decision should be a No Branier for both.

    Vote Obama
    Vote Obama

    McCain Sucks!!
  • i'm technically undecided, and will be until election day.

    but i know which way im leaning
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I've decided not to vote. I disagree with the Republicans on a few issues that are important to me - death penalty, the war, this $#%%&* bailout, and I disagree with the Democrats on pretty much everything else but especially abortion and the economy.
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  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    know1 wrote:
    I've decided not to vote. I disagree with the Republicans on a few issues that are important to me - death penalty, the war, this $#%%&* bailout, and I disagree with the Democrats on pretty much everything else but especially abortion and the economy.


    So not voting will somehow help??
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    Undecided on a candidate does not mean you are undecided on the issues.
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  • How exactly is that possible? Do you have views on the environment? On abortion? On government regulation? On church and state? On education? Is it because you only care about one or two select issues and not others? I'm honestly trying to understand.

    I am not understanding how there are so many people who claim to be undecided. Are they all just pulling our legs?


    I agree with Obama on some issues and McCain on other issues. I have to decide which issues are more important to me before I decide who to vote for. I see know problem with that.

    If I remember correctly the election is in November not today.
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    BinFrog wrote:
    Undecided on a candidate does not mean you are undecided on the issues.

    well said....
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I'm not a big fan of either candidate... and I'm not going to use my vote on a third party that does not stand a chance.
    I'm still in the data gathering/analysis phase. I am leaning more towards Obama because I believe we do NEED change in this country. McCain poses a greater threat of more of the same.
    ...
    Another case of shit or crap in the menu here... looks like that never changes.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of either candidate... and I'm not going to use my vote on a third party that does not stand a chance.
    I'm still in the data gathering/analysis phase. I am leaning more towards Obama because I believe we do NEED change in this country. McCain poses a greater threat of more of the same.
    ...
    Another case of shit or crap in the menu here... looks like that never changes.

    Bingo. Undecided because I don't believe shit that any of these politicians spew. Its all the same and I really don't see anything changing no matter which candidate wins. But yet both sides lap it up like these candidates are actually sincere and then wonder why nothing really changes. The pathetic attack ads, the know-it-alls on tv, etc. its all very tiresome.

    Even if I did for a minute believe that either of them could make a change, could they really make it happen? I mean if the other side opposes what they want to do, how can they really make an impact?
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  • perhaps they went into a coma just after the republican primaries of 2000

    It's just a matter of catching them up on the last 8 years events.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    to those considering voting GOP:

    were the last 8 years that good to you?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Bingo. Undecided because I don't believe shit that any of these politicians spew. Its all the same and I really don't see anything changing no matter which candidate wins. But yet both sides lap it up like these candidates are actually sincere and then wonder why nothing really changes. The pathetic attack ads, the know-it-alls on tv, etc. its all very tiresome.

    Even if I did for a minute believe that either of them could make a change, could they really make it happen? I mean if the other side opposes what they want to do, how can they really make an impact?
    ...
    Anyone who believes Campaign Promises and Campaign Speeches is either really young and naive or over the age of 28 and a complete moron. The bottom line is... you are listening to POLITICIANS. Believe what they say? You are an idiot (or a kid). They LIE for a living. It's just part of the job description.
    You can only go on what that have actually DONE in public service... more Pros then Cons on their voting record? Skip out and refrain from voting on hot topic bills? Past shady dealings? Bill sponsorships? Recieving end of Pork Barrel Projects? Or done absolutely nothing while seated?
    That's what influences me.
    What comes out of their mouths is regurgitated mung that idiot voters eat up like maggots.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    I've decided to become undecided and get involved in this thing, my vote means more and more these days.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    One thing I wouldn't mind... U.N. Election Monitors validating our election results. And unbiased, non-partisan.. and complete uninterested Third Party to verify that voting procedures are followed and voter fraud is not undertaken.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Cosmo wrote:
    One thing I wouldn't mind... U.N. Election Monitors validating our election results. And unbiased, non-partisan.. and complete uninterested Third Party to verify that voting procedures are followed and voter fraud is not undertaken.

    Florida is still up in the air as to whether your vote will count or NOT. This is one of the battleground states.

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  • BinFrog wrote:
    Undecided on a candidate does not mean you are undecided on the issues.

    It's just that for me, if I look at the issues and if the issues are important to me, there is no way in good conscience that both candidates could appease me. I suppose if you could go either way on abortion, for example, you might be able to kind of look the other way on it and go with someone who you disagree with on that issue. It's tough for me to fathom though.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    One thing I wouldn't mind... U.N. Election Monitors validating our election results. And unbiased, non-partisan.. and complete uninterested Third Party to verify that voting procedures are followed and voter fraud is not undertaken.
    Great idea....too bad it won't happen. :(
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I was kinda on the fence until I realized that I DO believe in dinosaurs.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    I was kinda on the fence until I realized that I DO believe in dinosaurs.
    LOL...:D

    Yes, both Veep candidates have forced me to the undecided route. I can't make myself vote for either ticket because of these two turds.
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  • i'm undecided...leaning towards third party.

    im an independent voter - socially very liberal and mostly a fiscal conservative.

    anyone who broadstrokes mccain = bush, dont think that argument holds much water. if mccain took out bush in 2000 and actually won, i think things wouldve been drastically different now, 8 years later. i used to think much of mccain, but i can't believe the sh*t he's pulling in this election. he lost ALL credibility when he choose palin.

    hell, its so freakin scary how close they are, forget mcaain = bush. the real problem: PALIN = BUSH. the similarities are eerie - same way of thinking, same mental capacity, same attitude to thwart investigations, same demeanor, even same way of talking. have you seen the interviews, that pseudo-confident-forward-sitting-unblinking-lean? how she recites her answers? its sickening that win or lose, she will be the face of the republicans.

    as for obama, hes "same-old, same-old" but in different packaging. and it amazes a bit how many people are drawn to him. to his credit though, i believe he's competent though, and thats something thats been missing for the past 8 years.
  • FrankBauer wrote:
    i'm undecided...leaning towards third party.

    im an independent voter - socially very liberal and mostly a fiscal conservative.

    anyone who broadstrokes mccain = bush, dont think that argument holds much water. if mccain took out bush in 2000 and actually won, i think things wouldve been drastically different now, 8 years later. i used to think much of mccain, but i can't believe the sh*t he's pulling in this election. he lost ALL credibility when he choose palin.

    hell, its so freakin scary how close they are, forget mcaain = bush. the real problem: PALIN = BUSH. the similarities are eerie - same way of thinking, same mental capacity, same attitude to thwart investigations, same demeanor, even same way of talking. have you seen the interviews, that pseudo-confident-forward-sitting-unblinking-lean? how she recites her answers? its sickening that win or lose, she will be the face of the republicans.

    as for obama, hes "same-old, same-old" but in different packaging. and it amazes a bit how many people are drawn to him. to his credit though, i believe he's competent though, and thats something thats been missing for the past 8 years.

    very well put....

    I'm a Ron Paul supporter more and more everyday and as far the Republican Party goes I was believing that McCain would be my second choice before the primaries.
    I was actually quite pleased to see Obama vs. McCain for this election, but goddamn McCain really shit on us by letting them put Palin on his ticket...

    I believe if most of the population would say they were undecided it might actually make things more clear. So with that in mind... if 50% (or more) of the nation said they were still undecided about the war in Iraq would the Republican party be trying so hard right now to distance themselves from the Bush administration?

    I don't think so.

    That's why I'm voting Obama.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    It's just that for me, if I look at the issues and if the issues are important to me, there is no way in good conscience that both candidates could appease me. I suppose if you could go either way on abortion, for example, you might be able to kind of look the other way on it and go with someone who you disagree with on that issue. It's tough for me to fathom though.


    What if you have strong feelings for a few key issues/etc that conflict between the 2 parties? You know, like being pro-life, but pro-NRA, and you are against the war but maybe, say, have sexist views and do not want a female in office? I think it is very easy to be undecided.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    It's just that for me, if I look at the issues and if the issues are important to me, there is no way in good conscience that both candidates could appease me. I suppose if you could go either way on abortion, for example, you might be able to kind of look the other way on it and go with someone who you disagree with on that issue. It's tough for me to fathom though.

    That's kind of where I am. Abortion is a big issue for me, but the candidates who oppose it like I do pretty much all go the other way on other issues that are important to me. I'm not just talking about the top 2 candidates either.
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  • I was kinda on the fence until I realized that I DO believe in dinosaurs.

    I'm surprised that McCain hasn't told Sarah about any of his experiences fighting off Teradactyls...then again, maybe he has and she still doesn't believe him because God doesn't include it in the book he wrote a few years ago.
  • when i was a teenager i was really into politics and all. but now, even though i support nader, part of me doesnt feel like voting. im getting to the point where i just dont care anymore. maybe its not 'undecided' since i think they all suck. but i as i get older i see things meaning less and less. the abortion issue will probably be debated forever, so why does my opinion matter? where i stand on energy is also pointless, cause i cant attach an solar panel on my car, so im stuck with what toyota or ford releases.

    i just wanna listen to music and sleep, and care less about all the other crap that i cant really change anyways. when i sit down and really think about it. $4 a gallon gas, tanking economy, lousy president. thats really nothing. i had dinner today and yesterday and the day before. i have a bed in a house that isnt made of mud and plywood. so things really arent that bad in this country. and i wont listen to the doomsayers saying we'll end up like that. no matter how bad things get i dont think we're heading for 3rd world status.

    so at the end of the day politics dont matter much to me.
  • i've only decided that i'm not voting for McCain.

    i live in a red state anyway, so it dont matter.
  • MrSmith wrote:
    i've only decided that i'm not voting for McCain.

    i live in a red state anyway, so it dont matter.

    Same here
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    One thing I wouldn't mind... U.N. Election Monitors validating our election results. And unbiased, non-partisan.. and complete uninterested Third Party to verify that voting procedures are followed and voter fraud is not undertaken.

    Wish this would happen. I really believe it would make a big difference.
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