Our Only Chance Of Bringing The Troops Home Within The Next 10 Fucking Years
my2hands
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is Barack Obama... that is the flat out reality of the situation... realize it
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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uh, yeah.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
We can't afford to keep this war going, period
I think we'll see the same amount of war with Hillary, Obama or even McCain and then the bottom is going to collapse under us if it's not ended because we have no way of paying for it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
nevermind.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Why do you feel this way? It doesn't make sense. McCain is pro-surge and pro-war and Obama is the total opposite.
How the hell would we even pay for McCain's plans? He's knows it's bullshit. There's no way we can keep this war going much longer.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well, if Obama is anti-surge, then he's a dipshit. (Actually, I think he's a tell-the-base-what-it-wants-to-hear politician. Same thing).
It had to be done.
for the least they could possibly do
How would we play for Obama's plans, or Hillary's? Everyone wants to spend money, on defense or on other things.
for the least they could possibly do
Not to mention all the corporate welfare. We could cut out that and trim down the bloated defense budget and end this war then we'd have plenty of money for social spending and UHC.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Why is Obama a dipshit if he was anti-surge?
And I disagree. He's a politican after all, but I think he's the most sincere candidate in a while and I think he will do everything possible to end this war.
How did we pay for it the past 5 years? We shouldn't have sustained such a large military presence for this long, but we have.
One of his advisors said 16 months is a best case scenario. His plan says we keep troops in Iraq if Al Qaeda is there. How is this different from what Bush has been using to keep the war going?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You're right, it's real bad now so this must be as bad as it can get...we can go on forever. There's bad then there's worse
Maybe we can all just go into our closets and start using our monopoly money.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Do you understand how fiat currency works?
We could fund this war until the end of time.
It is just going to cost us the value of the dollar.
The Fed can print up as much money as the Government wants, provided the government is willing to give the Fed something of "value", like treasury bonds ... which are little more than notes saying that you and i are liabled to repay what funds the Government has requested.
At the end of the day, the only limit to the amount of money the Government can get from the Fed, is that amount which the market will knowingly accept before it decides that the dollar has no value.
That is what the dollar index attempts to measure, the relative "value" of the dollar as perceived by the markets.
It's down 7 pennies in 8 months, by the way.
Here is one of my favorite quotes on the subject, as found in The Creature from Jekyll Island by G.E. Griffin, page 162:
This was in reference to the Continental dollar, one of America's first experiments with "fiat" currency -- which coincidentaly was created out of necessity ... for what? ... to fund a WAR. :shock: :eek: :gasp:
Remember the phrase, "not worth a Continental"?
Yeah.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
A military report that was released I believe in the Fall of 2007 said that Al Qaeda accounts for 2% in Iraq. That's it, 2%. But, everytime you hear about a roadside bomb, it was AL QAEDA! Bush spins this bullshit and the media just slops it up.
And I think his advisor was just being realistic with the expectations. A best case scenario now would probably be 12-16 months. As much as you and I want it to happen, all the troops can't just come home tomorrow. It's going to take time.
So how do you know Obama won't use the Al Qaeda excuse to keep us in Iraq?
I wonder why the Dems are looking so good to Defense contractors this year?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
How do we know he WON'T?
C'mon bookie ... you know whats up.
He has flat out said he WILL use this excuse.
Its on his website, isn't it?
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
I know this. But I was interested in hearing JD's answer.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't know. Neither do you. Bush ran on a platform of no nation building. How many other countless lies did he tell? But I take Obama as slightly more sincere that George Bush. So far, Obama has responded to every major obstacle very well in my opinion, by talking to Americans like adults, with dignity and respect. He can bring this country together. Even Ed Rendell, the governor of PA who is a superdelegate for Hillary, said Obama has done something that no one else is his lifetime has been able to do. It's a movement. Young people are inspired and are getting involved with politics like no other time in history.
Obama must follow through on what he pledges to do. Do either of us know for sure if he will? Of course not. No one but Obama does. But if he says wants to end the war, I trust that he will do everything in his power to make that happen.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
his advisor also said obama would be comfortable keeping 5 battalions in iraq which is roughly 35,000 or so troops
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
"no nation building"
check Sal's post again,
he had it right.
I just think he is misguided to trust obama much more than that.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
wow, now that was some great dissertation!!! you sold me!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so he asks you to explain how mccain, clinton, and obama represent the same us foreign policy and use of war... and you respond by saying hopw will mccain pay for it and the war will have to end soon anyway?
which is it?
there is a major candiate speaking out against the permanent presence and bases in iraq... his name is barack obama, you might want to check him out
Except he just keeps voting for it in Congress right now. Real sincere.
You are naive.
what makes you say that?
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