For you, being for the war/against the war is so black and white, but for the vast majority of the country, it's not. And you keep trying to frame Obama as a total anti-war, pacifist candidate, just so you can rail against him when he says or does things that don't fit that categorization. When in reality, he's not putting himself in that categorization, you are.
Yes, most of us want this war to end and wish that it never happened, but we also understand that we can't just put 150,000 troops on airplanes and get them out right away.
As much as we screwed up the country and region, in my (and a lot of other people's) opinion, our withdrawal has to be done somewhat carefully.
I have never once said he was trying to make himself look like an anti-war pacifist.
He has said he is against this war yet voted to continue it. My post that you quoted was referring to THIS WAR.
No one has said anything about putting 150,000 troops on a plane and leave today.
People have said stop funding the war and start a phased withdrawal in which we have money already to fund.
So please refrain from putting words in my mouth so you can have a point.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Cutting funding will not end the war abook. The President has said he would get the funding from cuts to other programs. This is called having the Congress by the balls.
Cutting funding will not end the war abook. The President has said he would get the funding from cuts to other programs. This is called having the Congress by the balls.
I've already said enough times how congress could have the power in this situation. Go read the threads if you need a refresher course.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I have never once said he was trying to make himself look like an anti-war pacifist.
He has said he is against this war yet voted to continue it. My post that you quoted was referring to THIS WAR.
No one has said anything about putting 150,000 troops on a plane and leave today.
People have said stop funding the war and start a phased withdrawal in which we have money already to fund.
So please refrain from putting words in my mouth so you can have a point.
I apologize for putting words in your mouth, but that is how your post come across to me.
And stopping the funding won't start a phased withdrawal... Voting against funding now will do nothing that voting for it will, except open yourself up to attacks of not supporting the troops. The vote against funding maybe symbolic, but in practice, it is an absolute meaningless vote either way. As long as Bush is president, the war will continue as is, whether the funding is there or not.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I apologize for putting words in your mouth, but that is how your post come across to me.
And stopping the funding won't start a phased withdrawal... Voting against funding now will do nothing that voting for it will, except open yourself up to attacks of not supporting the troops. The vote against funding maybe symbolic, but in practice, it is an absolute meaningless vote either way. As long as Bush is president, the war will continue as is, whether the funding is there or not.
If you think standing up for what you believe in is meaningless then I guess we just differ where that's concerned.
And voting for funding opens yourself up to attacks for supporting a war you call unjust and dumb thus being hypocritical and proving that you have no qualms with saying one thing while doing another. To me, you don't have any room to talk about the extreme amount of waste and unnecessary loss of life this war has caused if you're right there keeping it trucking along.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
There are razor thin majorities in both houses, and there are enough moderate Democrats up for re-election this year that I doubt it would even pass.
So why try, right? What a spineless, cowardly way to go. It's not like congress is supposed to represent the public who are mostly against this war. It's really only about maintaining power and you do that by keeping your special interest war profiteers happy....gotcha.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you think standing up for what you believe in is meaningless then I guess we just differ where that's concerned.
And voting for funding opens yourself up to attacks for supporting a war you call unjust and dumb thus being hypocritical and proving that you have no qualms with saying one thing while doing another. To me, you don't have any room to talk about the extreme amount of waste and unnecessary loss of life this war has caused if you're right there keeping it trucking along.
How can you make any changes if you don't get elected? It's easy for a candidate like Kucinich, Nader or Paul to take such black & white positions if they realize that they have no chance of actually winning an election on the national level.
I think that Obama is the countries best hope of actually bringing the war in Iraq to an end. A lot of things go into my thinking, but one of the factors is that he can actually be in the position to make changes.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
How can you make any changes if you don't get elected? It's easy for a candidate like Kucinich, Nader or Paul to take such black & white positions if they realize that they have no chance of actually winning an election on the national level.
It's not easy form them in the least. They have to fight an uphill battle to get any coverage, be allowed to even debate or get on the ballot. You using the term 'black and white' is a copout to excuse Obama and those like him from saying one thing and doing another. They'd have a chance if people were brave enough to support them instead of always saying how 'unelectable' they are. I don't even understand how people can say that, when American citizens overwhelmingly support the ideas these candidates put forth. It's all
about the media.....plain and simple. You might be okay with that but I most certainly am not. And I can't help it the rest of you won't get behind people who actually put your interests before big business interests for a fucking change. Maybe you'll catch on one day that these people aren't doing what they are supposed to for this country. When enough people get fed up, things will change and we'll have the numbers. Until then, I'm not going to be a part of the problem by voting them in, I'm not going to push aside my principles to support someone who goes against them and I don't think supporting people who are invested in the very things they speak out against when in front of large crowds is going to solve a damn thing. It will only serve to erode our democracy further and make our voices mean jack shit. You play along all you want but you won't be getting too much change your way, either.
I think that Obama is the countries best hope of actually bringing the war in Iraq to an end. A lot of things go into my thinking, but one of the factors is that he can actually be in the position to make changes.
Why is he in the position but not others who have opposed this war much more than he? What makes him the best?
“A man is usually more careful of his money than he is of his principles.” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So why try, right? What a spineless, cowardly way to go. It's not like congress is supposed to represent the public who are mostly against this war. It's really only about maintaining power and you do that by keeping your special interest war profiteers happy....gotcha.
Who said anything about not trying? This coming from the same person who blew up at BRY for putting "words in my mouth".
Politics 101 is that you don't call for something you cannot win. If the votes were there, it would be called. Obviously the votes are not there.
Once again, someone who opposes a phased withdrawl or troops goes on the attack of anyone who will not cut funding for the troops is only trying to, "keep special interest war profiteers happy".
Who said anything about not trying? This coming from the same person who blew up at BRY for putting "words in my mouth".
Politics 101 is that you don't call for something you cannot win. If the votes were there, it would be called. Obviously the votes are not there.
Once again, someone who opposes a phased withdrawl or troops goes on the attack of anyone who will not cut funding for the troops is only trying to, "keep special interest war profiteers happy".
Perhaps you need to stop excusing the Dems as just 'playing politics' then and start holding them accountable and expect them to represent the people's demands.
You keep playing politics and throwing out free passes but don't be surprised when you keep coming up on the losing end of the stick.
The big picture is, if you want real change you have to apply the courage and risk it takes to bring it about. There's no change in this same old same old approach.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Why is he in the position but not others who have opposed this war much more than he? What makes him the best?
He's in this position because he is seen as a unifier. He is bringing people together from all walks of life. Reps, Dems, moderates, liberals, young, old, black, white, men, women.
Sorry Kucinich or Nader will never bring people together like this. I'm just glad that I feel Barack uses common sense and puts a lot of thought into his decision making. We'll see what the future holds.
He's in this position because he is seen as a unifier. He is bringing people together from all walks of life. Reps, Dems, moderates, liberals, young, old, black, white, men, women.
Sorry Kucinich or Nader will never bring people together like this. I'm just glad that I feel Barack uses common sense and puts a lot of thought into his decision making. We'll see what the future holds.
The main reason they haven't been able to is money and media...plain and simple.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No, but it also won't throw the men and women serving over there under the bus.
that's the 2nd time you said this, the first being when i posted kucinich's withdrawal proposal....i asked you then how it would be throwing them under the bus but you never replied, any chance you could clarify this time?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
At the beginning of Obama's campaign he was written off by the media just like some of the other candidates. No one thought he had a chance 10 months ago. He has prevailed where others haven't.
I hope some day you'll join us. And the world will be as one.
At the beginning of Obama's campaign he was written off by the media just like some of the other candidates. No one thought he had a chance 10 months ago. He has prevailed where others haven't.
I hope some day you'll join us. And the world will be as one.
Oh....rallies and publicity tours. I see.
For a minute there I thought you meant he actually did something to deserve all this unwaivering support...my bad.
Lay off the tv. That shit's bad for ya.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's the 2nd time you said this, the first being when i posted kucinich's withdrawal proposal....i asked you then how it would be throwing them under the bus but you never replied, any chance you could clarify this time?
I think eliminating funding is throwing the troops under the bus, not the immediate withdrawl. At the very least we owe it to them. While they shouldn't have been sent over there in the first place, they signed up for this and lazy fucks like myself don't have to go fight in a war we don't believe in. I think pulling funding is like pulling the flooring right out from under them. We've already fucked them with putting them in this illegal war, extended tours of duty, cuts in their benefits, and lack of body armour for a political ploy of cutting the funding for the war. It's a ploy because the money will get appropriated from elsewhere if the Congress cuts the funding---the President has made that very clear.
I would venture to guess that Obama will not get us out of Iraq. The only reason he was against it in the first place was because the Iraq war would hurt their chances of going to wars in other countries. Obama,Hilary, Mcain, and Bush are no different. They won't change anything. They are all for the status quo.
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At the beginning of Obama's campaign he was written off by the media just like some of the other candidates. No one thought he had a chance 10 months ago. He has prevailed where others haven't.
I hope some day you'll join us. And the world will be as one.
I've been to a couple and they truly are a picture of unity. The most diverse crowds i have ever seen. United behind this candidate. Despite thoughts to the contrary from his detractors, he is truly a uniter like this country has not seen for a very long time. i agree with your post here right up until that stupid ass John Lennon quote . That song is the perhaps the biggest load of crap ever recorded.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I think eliminating funding is throwing the troops under the bus, not the immediate withdrawl. At the very least we owe it to them. While they shouldn't have been sent over there in the first place, they signed up for this and lazy fucks like myself don't have to go fight in a war we don't believe in. I think pulling funding is like pulling the flooring right out from under them. We've already fucked them with putting them in this illegal war, extended tours of duty, cuts in their benefits, and lack of body armour for a political ploy of cutting the funding for the war. It's a ploy because the money will get appropriated from elsewhere if the Congress cuts the funding---the President has made that very clear.
There is money for a safe withdrawal from Iraq. If the Dems wanted the war to end, they could have. But they are too busy profitting off it just like the republicans.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've been to a couple and they truly are a picture of unity. The most diverse crowds i have ever seen. United behind this candidate. Despite thoughts to the contrary from his detractors, he is truly a uniter like this country has not seen for a very long time. i agree with your post here right up until that stupid ass John Lennon quote . That song is the perhaps the biggest load of crap ever recorded.
haha ya maybe a line from bad religion would have been more suitable. Come join us.
There is money for a safe withdrawal from Iraq. If the Dems wanted the war to end, they could have. But they are too busy profitting off it just like the republicans.
They don't have the votes to end it. Even if they did, it would get vetoed, and they sure as hell don't have the 2/3 majority to.
Also, you're talking about withdrawing troops, which I go back on forth on as far as immediate withdrawl or a phased. My reply was in response to cutting funding all together for the war, which is not something I agree with.
They don't have the votes to end it. Even if they did, it would get vetoed, and they sure as hell don't have the 2/3 majority to.
Also, you're talking about withdrawing troops, which I go back on forth on as far as immediate withdrawl or a phased. My reply was in response to cutting funding all together for the war, which is not something I agree with.
they have enough votes to support a filibuster of the funding bill(it only takes 40). Then it can't be introduced again. If Bush proceeded to leave troops over there unfunded without allowing a withdrawal, in a war not supported by the american public the impeachment would be an obvious choice....one that the dems should have had the balls to go after long ago anyway.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
they have enough votes to support a filibuster of the funding bill(it only takes 40). Then it can't be introduced again. If Bush proceeded to leave troops over there unfunded without allowing a withdrawal, in a war not supported by the american public the impeachment would be an obvious choice....one that the dems should have had the balls to go after long ago anyway.
Impeachment would never happen if the situation above happened. 2/3 of the senate in a hearing that is presided over by Chief Justice Roberts???
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Impeachment would never happen if the situation above happened. 2/3 of the senate in a hearing that is presided over by Chief Justice Roberts???
Leaving troops in Iraq, unfunded, with 70% percent of the people wanting us out, and with a congress who when voters were polled said they voted in to end this situation in Iraq....if we can't get congress to represent us and at least try to do what's right...what the fuck are they there for?
Anyways, I disagree. I think republicans know they are still accountable to their voters and couldn't risk following a president with a 19% approval rating's stubborn power play while ignoring the concerns of the people who will be voting for them in the future. I don't think too many of these guys would be okay with Bush leaving the troops without funds. They could get the votes they needed to impeach. Bush has done nothing but make the rest of his party look bad and suffer embarrassment for years now. They'd benefit from getting his ass outta there, too. As it stands now, his policies are costing them votes and causing people to abandon the party for libertarians or even dems. Look at what people are doing to McCain, calling him McBush to sway voters away from him.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think eliminating funding is throwing the troops under the bus, not the immediate withdrawl. At the very least we owe it to them. While they shouldn't have been sent over there in the first place, they signed up for this and lazy fucks like myself don't have to go fight in a war we don't believe in. I think pulling funding is like pulling the flooring right out from under them. We've already fucked them with putting them in this illegal war, extended tours of duty, cuts in their benefits, and lack of body armour for a political ploy of cutting the funding for the war. It's a ploy because the money will get appropriated from elsewhere if the Congress cuts the funding---the President has made that very clear.
i agree w everything but the first few bits...there would never be a situation there was NO money for the troops, ppl can say bush would do that but he can't, he'd be thrown out so quick (or could if they started holding ppl accountable but that might make them have to be accountable as well)
if he cuts it from other programs, like they already have been doing since, then fucking hold him accountable!! they get away w/ this shit b/c we let them. we won't even vote for anyone but them.
we can't really complain if we keep giving in
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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I have never once said he was trying to make himself look like an anti-war pacifist.
He has said he is against this war yet voted to continue it. My post that you quoted was referring to THIS WAR.
No one has said anything about putting 150,000 troops on a plane and leave today.
People have said stop funding the war and start a phased withdrawal in which we have money already to fund.
So please refrain from putting words in my mouth so you can have a point.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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I've already said enough times how congress could have the power in this situation. Go read the threads if you need a refresher course.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I apologize for putting words in your mouth, but that is how your post come across to me.
And stopping the funding won't start a phased withdrawal... Voting against funding now will do nothing that voting for it will, except open yourself up to attacks of not supporting the troops. The vote against funding maybe symbolic, but in practice, it is an absolute meaningless vote either way. As long as Bush is president, the war will continue as is, whether the funding is there or not.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
There are razor thin majorities in both houses, and there are enough moderate Democrats up for re-election this year that I doubt it would even pass.
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If you think standing up for what you believe in is meaningless then I guess we just differ where that's concerned.
And voting for funding opens yourself up to attacks for supporting a war you call unjust and dumb thus being hypocritical and proving that you have no qualms with saying one thing while doing another. To me, you don't have any room to talk about the extreme amount of waste and unnecessary loss of life this war has caused if you're right there keeping it trucking along.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So why try, right? What a spineless, cowardly way to go. It's not like congress is supposed to represent the public who are mostly against this war. It's really only about maintaining power and you do that by keeping your special interest war profiteers happy....gotcha.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
a great watch...thanks...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yeah, it would be nice if reporters would report on fund raising and the pay-to-play culture...
How can you make any changes if you don't get elected? It's easy for a candidate like Kucinich, Nader or Paul to take such black & white positions if they realize that they have no chance of actually winning an election on the national level.
I think that Obama is the countries best hope of actually bringing the war in Iraq to an end. A lot of things go into my thinking, but one of the factors is that he can actually be in the position to make changes.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It's not easy form them in the least. They have to fight an uphill battle to get any coverage, be allowed to even debate or get on the ballot. You using the term 'black and white' is a copout to excuse Obama and those like him from saying one thing and doing another. They'd have a chance if people were brave enough to support them instead of always saying how 'unelectable' they are. I don't even understand how people can say that, when American citizens overwhelmingly support the ideas these candidates put forth. It's all
about the media.....plain and simple. You might be okay with that but I most certainly am not. And I can't help it the rest of you won't get behind people who actually put your interests before big business interests for a fucking change. Maybe you'll catch on one day that these people aren't doing what they are supposed to for this country. When enough people get fed up, things will change and we'll have the numbers. Until then, I'm not going to be a part of the problem by voting them in, I'm not going to push aside my principles to support someone who goes against them and I don't think supporting people who are invested in the very things they speak out against when in front of large crowds is going to solve a damn thing. It will only serve to erode our democracy further and make our voices mean jack shit. You play along all you want but you won't be getting too much change your way, either.
Why is he in the position but not others who have opposed this war much more than he? What makes him the best?
“A man is usually more careful of his money than he is of his principles.” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Who said anything about not trying? This coming from the same person who blew up at BRY for putting "words in my mouth".
Politics 101 is that you don't call for something you cannot win. If the votes were there, it would be called. Obviously the votes are not there.
Once again, someone who opposes a phased withdrawl or troops goes on the attack of anyone who will not cut funding for the troops is only trying to, "keep special interest war profiteers happy".
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Perhaps you need to stop excusing the Dems as just 'playing politics' then and start holding them accountable and expect them to represent the people's demands.
You keep playing politics and throwing out free passes but don't be surprised when you keep coming up on the losing end of the stick.
The big picture is, if you want real change you have to apply the courage and risk it takes to bring it about. There's no change in this same old same old approach.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He's in this position because he is seen as a unifier. He is bringing people together from all walks of life. Reps, Dems, moderates, liberals, young, old, black, white, men, women.
Sorry Kucinich or Nader will never bring people together like this. I'm just glad that I feel Barack uses common sense and puts a lot of thought into his decision making. We'll see what the future holds.
How has he unified people?
The main reason they haven't been able to is money and media...plain and simple.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's the 2nd time you said this, the first being when i posted kucinich's withdrawal proposal....i asked you then how it would be throwing them under the bus but you never replied, any chance you could clarify this time?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Leave the house much? Been to an Obama rally?
unify- to form into a single unit, to unite.
At the beginning of Obama's campaign he was written off by the media just like some of the other candidates. No one thought he had a chance 10 months ago. He has prevailed where others haven't.
I hope some day you'll join us. And the world will be as one.
Oh....rallies and publicity tours. I see.
For a minute there I thought you meant he actually did something to deserve all this unwaivering support...my bad.
Lay off the tv. That shit's bad for ya.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think eliminating funding is throwing the troops under the bus, not the immediate withdrawl. At the very least we owe it to them. While they shouldn't have been sent over there in the first place, they signed up for this and lazy fucks like myself don't have to go fight in a war we don't believe in. I think pulling funding is like pulling the flooring right out from under them. We've already fucked them with putting them in this illegal war, extended tours of duty, cuts in their benefits, and lack of body armour for a political ploy of cutting the funding for the war. It's a ploy because the money will get appropriated from elsewhere if the Congress cuts the funding---the President has made that very clear.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
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I've been to a couple and they truly are a picture of unity. The most diverse crowds i have ever seen. United behind this candidate. Despite thoughts to the contrary from his detractors, he is truly a uniter like this country has not seen for a very long time. i agree with your post here right up until that stupid ass John Lennon quote
There is money for a safe withdrawal from Iraq. If the Dems wanted the war to end, they could have. But they are too busy profitting off it just like the republicans.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
haha ya maybe a line from bad religion would have been more suitable. Come join us.
They don't have the votes to end it. Even if they did, it would get vetoed, and they sure as hell don't have the 2/3 majority to.
Also, you're talking about withdrawing troops, which I go back on forth on as far as immediate withdrawl or a phased. My reply was in response to cutting funding all together for the war, which is not something I agree with.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
they have enough votes to support a filibuster of the funding bill(it only takes 40). Then it can't be introduced again. If Bush proceeded to leave troops over there unfunded without allowing a withdrawal, in a war not supported by the american public the impeachment would be an obvious choice....one that the dems should have had the balls to go after long ago anyway.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Impeachment would never happen if the situation above happened. 2/3 of the senate in a hearing that is presided over by Chief Justice Roberts???
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Leaving troops in Iraq, unfunded, with 70% percent of the people wanting us out, and with a congress who when voters were polled said they voted in to end this situation in Iraq....if we can't get congress to represent us and at least try to do what's right...what the fuck are they there for?
Anyways, I disagree. I think republicans know they are still accountable to their voters and couldn't risk following a president with a 19% approval rating's stubborn power play while ignoring the concerns of the people who will be voting for them in the future. I don't think too many of these guys would be okay with Bush leaving the troops without funds. They could get the votes they needed to impeach. Bush has done nothing but make the rest of his party look bad and suffer embarrassment for years now. They'd benefit from getting his ass outta there, too. As it stands now, his policies are costing them votes and causing people to abandon the party for libertarians or even dems. Look at what people are doing to McCain, calling him McBush to sway voters away from him.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i agree w everything but the first few bits...there would never be a situation there was NO money for the troops, ppl can say bush would do that but he can't, he'd be thrown out so quick (or could if they started holding ppl accountable but that might make them have to be accountable as well)
if he cuts it from other programs, like they already have been doing since, then fucking hold him accountable!! they get away w/ this shit b/c we let them. we won't even vote for anyone but them.
we can't really complain if we keep giving in
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way