Obama on Iraq
my2hands
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my2hands
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my2hands
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Interesting choice of words to use right at the very beginning
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So I guess you are saying that "no matter what, you should never go to war"?
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what is common sense? Common Sense was written by Thomas Paine.. are you making a reference to that?
I just liked where he decided to establish the sentiment in his speech. Interesting that he chose to set more of a first precedence with it rather than later on.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So you're ignoring the whole "you must never go into war unless you must" line that was directly before the line you are talking about?
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You can play around with words, but the bottom line is he said at the beginning of his speech that sometimes you must go to war....but oh it's bad.,, but sometimes you must (but it really sucks). But were still going...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I have never met anyone in my life who only hears what they want to more than you.
It's simple...sometimes you must go to war. This is not one of those cases, but we have to be careful about getting out.
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Sometimes we must all get used to the fact that we have to go to war says Obama. But war sucks don't get me wrong he says. Oh yeah it's bad. And he's kidding himself if he thinks he won't be tits deep in Iran without a paddle. His lips move but I don't hear what he's saying.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The only candidate to not support the bill that practically gave the Bush administration what it needed to go after Iran is the one you think will be "tits deep in Iran"?
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Do I think Obama is going to keep his word after he gets elected? That would extremely foolish at the very outset.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So you are basing all of this on a gut feeling that you think Obama will change his tune?
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I'm not an Obama supporter ... but I pretty much agree with everything you just wrote.
War is evil. But sometimes it's necessary.
The trick is determining when it's necessary.
for the least they could possibly do
If he's talking like he is already...yeah...and what politician of late hasn't? Just in the gambling sense alone it would be a bad bet.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I wonder how Obama will vote in April. If he votes to not fund the war then it would destroy all you guy's arguments about why he had to vote for it before. But if he votes to fund it again, he'll risk losing even more anti-war voters. We'll see.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm pretty sure that the funding bill coming up is for '09. It is basically a political move by the administration. If Dem's don't vote on it, they (and you probably) will say the Democrats do not support the troops.
Luckily, there is plenty of time for it to be taken care of later, so it is very easy for them to tell them to stuff it.
Oh yeah, it is paid for until 09. It is lucky for them that they don't have to vote right now. I would definitely be interested to see how it would have played out if it were this year.
Why do you think I would say the dems don't support the troops? I'm not the type to just want to bitch at the dems just because. I've been consistently critical of funding and supporting this war and the ineffectiveness of the democrat party well before this election year and Obama hasn't changed my mind on this. Also, I support Dems like Kucinich who voted against funding the war so your speculation is baseless.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well I see you are still obsessed with Obama. This vote really means nothing. I'm not sure how you can't see that!! It is a lose/lose situation. If he votes against funding, the republicans spin it so that he is against the troops. If he votes for funding, the wack jobs on the left spin it so that he is a warmonger.
So ya, I'll just listen to his plans and hope that he carries them through when he take office. You go ahead and keep worrying about an insignificant vote.
wack jobs? how articulate of you!
it may mean nothing to you but it means a lot to some of us. if voting for something that will continue the killing of so many innocent people is insignificant to you then you know nothing about principle.
And yes, Obama will be talked about a lot. He's running for president. If I were you, I'd quit the whining and get used to it. People will and should discuss the
records and plans of candidates whose policies will affect their lives.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The thing is, you don't talk about his policies. He wants to end the war in Iraq, you know this. You keep debating an insignificant vote that will NOT save any lives. He is campaigning against the spin machine known as FOX and the dirty republicans. Sometimes you have to appease the middle or nothing will get accomplished. And if a vote for funding troops helps him to take office and end this retarded war, then so be it.
Oh and I'm not whining, my candidate is going to win!!! Nothing to whine about.
so a vote to fund the war will end the war????
odd logic
she doesn't talk about his policies?? he is a spin machine, just like he said he doesn't deal w/ lobbyists yet the head of his new hampshire campaign is a pharmacuetical lobbyist
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
No, but it also won't throw the men and women serving over there under the bus.
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Newsflash for you... until Bush is out of office, no vote will end the war. Cutting funding on a war that the administration has no intent on ending will do nothing but get more soldiers killed (see Vietnam).
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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Also, the President has been very clear that if Congress doesn't approriate the fundings he wants than he will make cuts elsewhere to pay for the war.
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from what I gather, for abook and kabong, its more a symbolic thing to do. not so much that it would actually do something if he voted no.
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's simple enough to understand.
I don't buy Nikes due to principle. Do I think me not buying them will stop their labor practices? No.
If you are really against the war, you don't vote to continue it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
For you, being for the war/against the war is so black and white, but for the vast majority of the country, it's not. And you keep trying to frame Obama as a total anti-war, pacifist candidate, just so you can rail against him when he says or does things that don't fit that categorization. When in reality, he's not putting himself in that categorization, you are.
Yes, most of us want this war to end and wish that it never happened, but we also understand that we can't just put 150,000 troops on airplanes and get them out right away.
As much as we screwed up the country and region, in my (and a lot of other people's) opinion, our withdrawal has to be done somewhat carefully.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln