John McCain Fuck Yeah!!!

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't ever try to pretend McCain is not pro military intervention....gmab...

    I don't know who would be worse? McCain or Rudy as far as the use of military force. Now that Rudy is out it really makes me wonder who would have gone apeshit crazy with the military.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Don't ever try to pretend McCain is not pro military intervention....gmab...

    i am not pretending that he isn't what i am saying is that if as teh commander in chief, i want McCain to protect me. that is his job.

    let me ask you a questions, if a cop see someone trying to break into your home, shoudl teh cop try to stop that person or wait until that person breaks in.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Thecure wrote:
    i am not pretending that he isn't what i am saying is that if as teh commander in chief, i want McCain to protect me. that is his job.

    let me ask you a questions, if a cop see someone trying to break into your home, shoudl teh cop try to stop that person or wait until that person breaks in.

    The preemptive thing is a Bushism. It's Bush doctrine...he created it.

    It's a disaster approach. You gotta break the cycle...the Arab world does not want to destroy America. It's propaganda. It's like Israel and Palestine...it's never ending disaster, and we definitely know better.

    The admin uses war to fuck us over. It's a business scam for them.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The preemptive thing is a Bushism. It's Bush doctrine...he created it.

    It's a disaster approach. You gotta break the cycle...the Arab world does not want to destroy America. It's propaganda. It's like Israel and Palestine...it's never ending disaster, and we definitely know better.

    The admin uses war to fuck us over. It's a business scam for them.

    for a person who says he know alot about history how can you say that preemptive is bush doctrine. our world is based on preemptive beliefs. we have to seperate Arab world from Osama and the like. let's not be confused, Osama is not some poor sap

    also you did not answer my questions..
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Thecure wrote:
    for a person who says he know alot about history how can you say that preemptive is bush doctrine. our world is based on preemptive beliefs. we have to seperate Arab world from Osama and the like. let's not be confused, Osama is not some poor sap

    also you did not answer my questions..

    As to your question, were not seeing anyone doing anything...it's all based on invisible paranoia. Not a good example.

    The Bush admin has introduced the pre emptive scenario as full on policy. He's known as the guy to bring it into it's raging propagandic glory. Running around the globe picking fights... It's lunacy... a guaranteed path of self destruction.

    It's all an MIC make work scam...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    there's video of him saying he will fight terrorism forever if he has to

    And this is a bad thing?

    ..and that there is going to be more wars so we should get used to that reality as well.

    Um, this is true no matter who is elected. Do you live under a rock?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    And this is a bad thing?




    Um, this is true no matter who is elected. Do you live under a rock?


    With McCain? yeah...fuck yeah...

    I wouldn't want to get in a cab where the driver says instead of maybe crashing or he'll try to never crash...were definitely going to crash instead, and a few times at that so expect it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Thecure wrote:
    i am not pretending that he isn't what i am saying is that if as teh commander in chief, i want McCain to protect me. that is his job.

    let me ask you a questions, if a cop see someone trying to break into your home, shoudl teh cop try to stop that person or wait until that person breaks in.

    should cops go door to door to everyone with a criminal record and anyone who (demographicly speaking) is likely to have a criminal record and break into their houses kill them and their families and occupy the house?

    That's a slippery slope indeed my friend.

    One of the reasons why Bill Clinton was a great president is that he realized the value of *gasp* diplomacy as a prevention method. He recognized that surrounding himself with the most brilliant diplomatic minds was a smarter way to go. military action was (as it fucking well should be) the absolute last resort.

    that's a quality I see in Obama and it gives me hope.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    With McCain? yeah...fuck yeah...

    I wouldn't want to get in a cab where the driver says instead of maybe crashing or he'll try to never crash...were definitely going to crash instead, and a few times at that so expect it.

    Your analogy doesn't work. Because war is inevitable. A crash is not. There have been wars for thousands of years. They aren't just going to stop one day, cold turkey.

    I would say McCain is just telling the truth, which, in most cases, is an admirable quality in a politician.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Your analogy doesn't work. Because war is inevitable. A crash is not. There have been wars for thousands of years. They aren't just going to stop one day, cold turkey.

    I would say McCain is just telling the truth, which, in most cases, is an admirable quality in a politician.


    If you follow McCains approach expect the crash. That's why he's saying to expect it, because he is planning on it....literally.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Your analogy doesn't work. Because war is inevitable. A crash is not. There have been wars for thousands of years. They aren't just going to stop one day, cold turkey.

    I would say McCain is just telling the truth, which, in most cases, is an admirable quality in a politician.

    bomb first, ask questions later, make a fucktillion dollars. That's an admirable strategy?

    blind aggression breeds blind aggression.

    If McCain promised to pull Haliburton and Blackwater out of Iraq and bid out contracts to the International community with bonuses to the company that rebuilds Iraq fastest and most efficiently, he'd probably swing my vote.

    now THAT's admirable.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    bomb first, ask questions later, make a fucktillion dollars. That's an admirable strategy?

    No, it's not. I would try for three fucktrillion.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    slightofjeff wrote:
    No, it's not. I would try for three fucktrillion.

    sorry man, through type it's hard to tell which way your sarcasm is going.
  • lastexit78
    lastexit78 Posts: 618
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he will be the next president if Hilary is nominated

    I'm starting to believe this is likely true. With Obama getting one endorsement after another the Democratic Party is going to look really stupid if Hillary gets the nomination. It's going to seem like she's the candidate her own party dislikes. As for McCain I'm starting to see a reverse trend in which other candidates are starting to back him, or at least openly respect his views. If it's Hillary vs McCain in November I believe McCain wins because he'll get a huge percentage of independent voters. Hillary is probably the 2nd most hated political figure behind W right now. She might even be ahead of W at this point. W's created such a mess and looks so awful that he's starting to become a sympathetic figure in some peoples eyes.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    should cops go door to door to everyone with a criminal record and anyone who (demographicly speaking) is likely to have a criminal record and break into their houses kill them and their families and occupy the house?

    That's a slippery slope indeed my friend.

    One of the reasons why Bill Clinton was a great president is that he realized the value of *gasp* diplomacy as a prevention method. He recognized that surrounding himself with the most brilliant diplomatic minds was a smarter way to go. military action was (as it fucking well should be) the absolute last resort.

    that's a quality I see in Obama and it gives me hope.

    first off, you questions is much different than mine. to answer your's no cop's should not do that. but if a cop see's someone trying to break into my house , i won't that cop to stop the person.

    I agree with you that diplomacy is needed but as some point if diplomacy doesn't work you need top protect the people.
    People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    sorry man, through type it's hard to tell which way your sarcasm is going.

    well, to be honest, I do like McCain a little bit. I get the feeling he's intellectually honest, which is a rare trait in a politician.

    With a few rare exceptions, most of them coming this primary season, I don't get the feeling he's pandering.
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  • anotherclone
    anotherclone Posts: 1,688
    One plus to McCain. He did say he would follow Bin Laden to "the gates of hell" to catch him. Just like a line out of some bad movie.

    That just makes me giggle. ok, you do that Rambo.

    Seriously though, I kind of like him for some reason I can't put my finger on. Not enough to back him though.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Thecure wrote:
    If a cop see's someone trying to break into my house , I want that cop to stop the person.

    What I'm saying is someone wanting to rob your house and someone actually robbing your house are two different things. If a guy is walking up your front steps, stopping him then is not preventative. it is defensive.

    Even so, if you had invested in a BURGLAR ALARM and A DOG to protect your property, burglars wouldn't even think about robbing your house.

    are we on the same page now?

    Thecure wrote:
    I agree with you that diplomacy is needed but as some point if diplomacy doesn't work you need top protect the people.

    perhaps we should try it and see if it works.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    slightofjeff wrote:
    well, to be honest, I do like McCain a little bit. I get the feeling he's intellectually honest, which is a rare trait in a politician.

    With a few rare exceptions, most of them coming this primary season, I don't get the feeling he's pandering.

    I felt the same way before Iraq. Once he started giving Bush hand jobs I couldn't continue with him.

    Iraq's not winnable. The country is sick of it. So anyone who says it is will be unpopular.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    all of these republican candidates have flip flopped on ALL KINDS OF SHIT...

    i love seeing them compromise their beliefs to cater to the far right wackiness of the conservative base

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